How do non-Catholics explain Eucharistic miracles, such as bleeding, and Marian...

[Standing Up]

I know there are some parents out there who like to think their children are god , but seriously, how 'normal' could a marriage be when you have given birth to God?

How many people in the bible, when touched by the divine, continued to live a 'normal' life afterwards?

Rather, blessed are those who hear the word of God and do.

 

[Rhamiel]

Rather, blessed are those who hear the word of God and do.

the Jews were focused on ethnicity/family/tribalism
Jesus was trying to break them of this clannish mindset

this was a teaching example, not an insult to His mother

if you read the first couple chapters of Luke, you will see that Mary does hear the word of God and does respond positively
so she is blessed either way

 

[sunlover1]

Originally Posted by prodromos

...How many people in the bible, when touched by the divine, continued to live a 'normal' life afterwards?
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Now that is a good point...

... It would be a right not just the custom for the second born son to support his widowed mother.

...How many people in the bible, when touched by the divine, continued to live a 'normal' life afterwards?

 

[Rev Randy]

Originally Posted by prodromos

...How many people in the bible, when touched by the divine, continued to live a 'normal' life afterwards?
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...How many people in the bible, when touched by the divine, continued to live a 'normal' life afterwards?

I'm still pondering the word 'normal'. I'm not having much success.(as I look under my username)

 

[sunlover1]

Sunlover1 answered accurately. Would you trust your parents to just anyone?

Prior to the cross, the brothers of Jesus (same mother, different father) didn't believe in Christ (John 7:5). John did. The honor fell to him.

PS. John as cousin also had the right to care for Mary.

As you can see in Matthew 12, they and she were not even
"inside" where they should have been.
Not sure why they weren't focusing on His Father's business,
as He was.

Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible
Then one said unto him,.... Either one of his auditors, or, as the Ethiopic version has it, one "of his disciples": the other evangelists intimate, that more than one acquainted him with it; which is easily reconciled: for, upon his mother and brethren calling to him, as Mark says they did; first one and then another, and more, might apprise him of it, and especially as he did not immediately go out unto them.

Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee: whether this message was carried at the request of the mother and brethren of Christ, and delivered in a simple manner, and with an honest intention; or whether it was officiously done, and with a design to interrupt him, and to try him, whether he would prefer his natural relations, and their society and conversation, to the spiritual work in which he was engaged, in doing good to the souls of men, is not certain; the latter seems probable, from the following words, and conduct of Christ. Some copies read, "desiring to see thee".

 

[sunlover1]

I'm still pondering the word 'normal'. I'm not having much success.(as I look under my username)

You're not normal either.

But, yes, you do need to know what it looks
like if you want to pretend to belong there LOL
(don't look at me!)

 

[sunlover1]

One ought to note that Mary is only ever called "the Mother of Jesus" and never called "the mother of <insert name here>" - check your bible and see.

Interesting observation.

Even though you believe everyone's a "catholic hater"
it's not at all the case.

Perhaps rather it's the facts:
Scripture says he has brothers...
His mom married someone...
who did not know her UNTIL...

So call it what you want, I call it seeking truth.
And there's much "evidence" that Mary's was
mom to others... so why accuse us of malice?

 

[MoreCoffee]

Interesting observation.

Even though you believe everyone's a "catholic hater" it's not at all the case.

Please! Do not put words in my mouth. Search my posts, see if you can find any that say "everyone's a "catholic hater""; I assure you that you will fail to find even one instance of such an absurd claim.

Perhaps rather it's the facts: Scripture says he has brothers... His mom married someone... who did not know her UNTIL...

So call it what you want, I call it seeking truth. And there's much "evidence" that Mary's was mom to others...

No scripture ever says Mary was the mother of any person except Jesus. That is the hard core fact. All the verses you mention (without citing explicitly) do not say Mary is the mother of any of those persons. I knew a woman who was not the mother of anybody but she had "sons and daughters" and those children had brothers and sisters but not one of them was hers.

so why accuse us of malice?

Please! where did I ever accuse you or somebody else of malice?

You're making this up as you go along, right?

 

[Rick Otto]

That is not the point. It was custom and the way of the Hebrew people. It would be a right not just the custom for the second born son to support his widowed mother.

It was the custom of the Hebrew people to allow moneychangers in the temple. We know how Jesus responded to that custom.
Perhaps you forget, Jesus only had half-brothers. His siblings all had a different father than Jesus did.

 

[Rick Otto]

Sunlover1 answered accurately. Would you trust your parents to just anyone?

Prior to the cross, the brothers of Jesus (same mother, different father) didn't believe in Christ (John 7:5). John did. The honor fell to him.

PS. John as cousin also had the right to care for Mary.

This appears to make more sense than Jesus being a slave to Hebrew custom which was pretty messed up, anyway.

And as far as people being percieved as haters... we are especialy prone to such perceptions when others consistently fail to love us as much as we ourselves do.

 

[Stryder06]

No scripture ever says Mary was the mother of any person except Jesus. That is the hard core fact. All the verses you mention (without citing explicitly) do not say Mary is the mother of any of those persons. I knew a woman who was not the mother of anybody but she had "sons and daughters" and those children had brothers and sisters but not one of them was hers.

How many parents do you know that refer to their only child as their firstborn?

 

[Stryder06]

I know there are some parents out there who like to think their children are god , but seriously, how 'normal' could a marriage be when you have given birth to God?

How many people in the bible, when touched by the divine, continued to live a 'normal' life afterwards?

I would think that the Marriage being normal wouldn't be the issue so much as the raising of the child.

As far as people living a normal life after being "touched" by the divine, I'd say all of them lol. Recall how Mary "forgot" who she was speaking to when she reprimanded Christ after they lost Him.

 

[Stryder06]

Answer, none. Their lives were changed forever.

I'm guessing you've never heard of Israel. No one nation had been touched by the Divine such as they, and yet they still lived normal lives. You are making undue assumptions.

 

[Stryder06]

Matter of fact, she was taken away after Pentecost to Ephesus.

Here was the convincing point for me in my conversion...we know where many of the apostles are buried. We know where Peter, Paul, James, Mary Magdalene, are for certain. There is no place that claims, even hints, at having the tomb of Mary. We do have the Church of the Dormition. No tomb. Why not?

So because you can't find her tomb that means she must have been taken straight to heaven

How many of the Apostle's tombs were you able to find? Does it mean that those who's tombs can't be found simply don't have one because they were taken to heaven? That's not very sound logic.

 

[Rev Randy]

How many parents do you know that refer to their only child as their firstborn?

Every jewish parent of an only child I know.

 

[Stryder06]

Every jewish parent of an only child I know.

News to me. Thanks

 

[MoreCoffee]

How many parents do you know that refer to their only child as their firstborn?

Well, God does; I guess that counts, right?

 

[Stryder06]

I don't think I've asked this before, but why is it so important for Mary to be "ever-virgin"?

 

[Tigger45]

Well, God does; I guess that counts, right?

That's the perfect answer.

 

[Stryder06]

That's the perfect answer.

It actually wasn't. But MC is a sly fox and knew what I was getting to. Rev's answer was actually more appropriate.