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Mary devoted her life to serving God, in the persons of her Son, and His Father. She did not have a sexual relationship with any man.
Folks, again, the visions are real; they happened. The question is whether they are about the true mother of Christ (Mary) or if they are about something else "Mary".
To differentiate them, we just have to look at the visions' content. Do they point to Christ or something else? As shown earlier, they do not point to Christ, but to some other entity (Immaculate Heart).
Now the question is why do people continue to defend the false visions? It's not as if anyone is talking about the real Mary.
That may be so, although not all of them were witnessed by other people and we have only the testimony of onlookers describing what the person to whom the spirit supposedly appeared looked like, said, and did.Folks, again, the visions are real; they happened.
To differentiate them, we just have to look at the visions' content. Do they point to Christ or something else? As shown earlier, they do not point to Christ, but to some other entity (Immaculate Heart).
Now the question is why do people continue to defend the false visions? It's not as if anyone is talking about the real Mary.
Sure would look like it to someone who's notwhat we have here is a breakdown of communication
lust is the inordinate desire
so lust would be linked to objectification and selfishness
sexual desire is not the same as lust
I think all of you RCCs engage in marital lust,so while it is good and healthy for a married couple to have sexual desire for each other
we would not encourage lust
No it doesn't. You're the one who's changing what it says.Where does it say that? I thought you believe the Bible literally. It says lusting after a woman.
because it IS 'okay' to get all worked up for your spouse.Men and women often, in today's world, have the false image that it's ok in marriage.
Sure would look like it to someone who's not
in the moment ...
I think lionking is making a good point tbh.
I think all of you RCCs engage in marital lust,
just the same as all humans since the beginning
of time.
And since the marriage bed is undefiled..
and since God said your body belongs to
your spouse (which means FOR his/her
pleasure obviously..) why sweat it or
call it a bad thing?
like I said
we are using the word lust to mean different things
from the looks of it, some people on this thread are using it to mean any sexual desire
that is not how Catholics use that word
like I said
we are using the word lust to mean different things
from the looks of it, some people on this thread are using it to mean any sexual desire
that is not how Catholics use that word
Where did you get this idea that strong sexual desire is not lust?
^Yea. I agree with Rhamiel.
"Lust" is a dirty word, and a product of a stained imagination. There is no lust in God, even if there is room for sexual desire for one's spouse.
Thanks.I'm so glad you posted that. Some seem to think once something is sanctioned by the Church that it equates with Dogma thereby one must believe or face excommunication.
you are mistakenI take it your church considers strong sexual desire for your wife/husband a sin?
from the philosophical idea that virtue is the golden mean
that virtue is the in the middle between two vices
also because lust is a sin, and sexual desire is natural, and God is not the author of sin
you are kind of arguing against a strawman
no one is saying that sex is evil
Depends on if you want to believe the whole cloth. For example, I've seen Joel Osteen and Dr. Stanley in person on several occasions. Some of what they say is good, some, I don't give two hoots about. To the extent that they point me toward God, I say AMEN! To the point they don't, I say Phuuuut! Jesus said that demons cannot drive out demons in the name of God, I believe. So if the televangelist, regardless of his personal morality or criminal intent, says "Pray to God", and I pray to God, that's not demonic. Demons don't make me pray to God. They cannot.Ok.
Indeed. Ever seen a televangelist? Those guys tell folk to pray to God all the time. They have testimonies that miracles have taken place in the lives of individuals who bought their prayer cloths and the whole nine. Are you telling me because they say "Pray to God" it's of God?
you are mistaken
sexual desire between a husband and wife is natural and good and has been sanctified doubly, once by nature, and again by the sacramental nature of marriage.
also, why add the qualifier "strong"?
Now for the last time, lust is NOT a sin. Lusting after a woman who you are NOT married to is a sin. Lusting to do evil is sin.
By the way, both Strong's and Oxford dictionary defines lust as a strong desire for something. Who am I to believe?
I don't see where Jesus excludes a man's wife from that part about "looks at a woman lustfully".I read the bible in context. Jesus was going further into the sin of adultery (i.e two people having sexual relations when not married).
You have heard that it was said, You shall not commit adultery.[e] 28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
I dunno what you Roman catholics have been taught, but having sex for pleasure or craving someone is not a sin before God as long as you are married to each other.
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