How do mormons get around galatians 1 verse 8

[gort]

Before you use this argument, it would be better to find a true contradiction. AT least one...

SW

Here's a true contradiction.....

http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?p=16543899&postcount=1

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[4godslove]

Or, you can just start with the ad hominum attacks.



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no. i choose not to do that. did you choose not to be defensive? if so you might want to go back and objectively review your responses and see how they correspond to what you replied to and see how complete and accurate you are in your analysis.

 

[gort]

no. i choose not to do that. did you choose not to be defensive? if so you might want to go back and objectively review your responses and see how they correspond to what you replied to and see how complete and accurate you are in your analysis.

Well then, let's revue here:

the post I originally responded to:

SayWhat? quote:
We could probably start another thread on justification/sanctification, but since I do not wish to hijack this one, let's jsut say that that one word does not another gospel make.

daneel:
Alas, but 3 different kingdoms does another gospel make.

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4godslove:
huh?

daneel:
It means your ears hear another gospel than what the bible teaches.

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4godslove quote:
if you know me from around here, you know i joke around and rarely don't get too serious or shook up about what people say here, but man whoa!?

look. i'm sorry. i want to be nice, but you make it really hard because you don't know how absolutely stunned i am as i sit here at how absolutely unbelievably bazaar you comments are. are you sure you've really said what you want to say?

if you're willing to put your thinking cap on and think out of your box a little bit, maybe some of the other LDS who are more patient than i am would be willing to try and help you figure this out. or you can be defensive and learn nothing.

Now then, if you'd like to show me where Jesus said that there would be a restoration by Joseph Smith, and how the new heaven and new earth in Revelations has been changed to 3 kingdoms, and also where Jesus said where only those who accept the restoration in this lifetime are allowed to be forever with God the Father and progress onto godhood, then I can be willing to "step out of my box".

Until then, you preach another gospel, not taught in the Bible.

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[A New Dawn]

That changes the gospel from what Christ has done for us to what He does in us! It makes good works the gospel.

It is very relevant to this thread. it may be uncomfortable for you that JS changes the bible to suit his theology.

Lds preach a false gospel, have a false priesthood, false ordinances and promote a second chance in their post-mortal theology.

Galatian 1:8 is a glove that fits JS

I could ....... maybe ........ point out that it is a glove that fits JS in the later restoration period, but not the early restoration (which more closely jives with the early Christian church (but, AHEM, not completely. ))

 

[drstevej]

I could ....... maybe ........ point out that it is a glove that fits JS in the later restoration period, but not the early restoration (which more closely jives with the early Christian church (but, AHEM, not completely. ))

Kinda like another "delightsome" historical figure who in his later career wore a glove.

 

[Paul G]

Here's a true contradiction..... <><

If your conclusions are correct, why did Adam and Eve, while still in their imortal state, not have children while they were in the garden?

 

[Rescued One]

If your conclusions are correct, why did Adam and Eve, while still in their imortal state, not have children while they were in the garden?

Because they were getting to know one another. Not every woman becomes pregnant on her honeymoon! I sure didn't!

 

[A New Dawn]

Because they were getting to know one another. Not every woman becomes pregnant on her honeymoon! I sure didn't!

Sure must have been one loooong honeymoon!

 

[RULDS2?]

8But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned..

How do they get around this verse??? My brother said that when he talked to some LDS members they just said that it was incorrectly translated???

Thx

We don't preach another gospel than the one that Christ taught. So, no one needs to worry about eternal condemnation.

While it may seem to you that we do preach another gospel than the one preached, we don't. Our gospel jives with the ones that the Apostles were taught.

 

[RULDS2?]

That changes the gospel from what Christ has done for us to what He does in us! It makes good works the gospel.

You've piqued my curiosity. What are you saying. (detail please)

It is very relevant to this thread. it may be uncomfortable for you that JS changes the bible to suit his theology.

Joseph Smith, Jr. Changed nothing of the Bible to suit his theology. He retranslated parts of it as God instructed him to.

Lds preach a false gospel, have a false priesthood, false ordinances and promote a second chance in their post-mortal theology.

Galatian 1:8 is a glove that fits JS

Contrary to popular belief, (and yours), it is false thinking to claim that LDS promote second chances. We preach that they get only one. Which is why we teach so much here in this world.

As for the falsities that you mentioned, that is your provocative to think so. However, we do not. We teach only what Christ wants us to teach. If He taught something you do not agree with, I'd recheck my thinking, if I were you.

 

[RULDS2?]

The JST demonstrates Joseph Smith's disdain for God's Word. The bogus Book of Abraham is more of the same.

Make up what you need to make Emma comply with your mistresses (D&C132).

The First Vision departs historic Christianity and leads to the false gospel of Mormonism.

This is no restoration and the "Personages" ... who could have sent them ?

Could it have been...... (insert the Church Lady wav)????

(notice what I highlighted). What a concept! You just agreed with what we have taught. OF COURSE LDS teachings go against historic Chirstianity. Does any recollection of our teaching of an Apostasy come to mind? We go against historice Christianity, but coincide with what Christ actually taught. Not what man interpreted Him to teach, to suit their needs.

 

[RULDS2?]

TCoJCoLDS did not canonize the JST because it fell into the hands of the RLDS, an apostate group.

Yes, however, to my understanding, the Church is in the process to gaining the copyrights to it. However, I have been taught to use the JST whenever possible. For the JST is the right way to read it.

 

[RULDS2?]

You sure paint a rosy picture of eternal separation from God. And we are not amused by the deception.

You will still feel His presence, you just won't reside with Him physcially. I seem, however, to remember reading something in the bible, and hearing it all over the place. "In my House, there are many Mansions..." Something like that. Seems most of Christianity believes in some form of seperation from other people, or some form of judgement/reward system.

 

[RULDS2?]

Also, if a restoration was required then the LDS interpretation of God is of a weak God.

I always find this interesting. Many Christians say this. Yet, they don't see that this is basically the same pattern throughout the Bible. Should we stop reading the bible at Abraham? What about Moses? If God was a strong God, why did He forget things, and have to tell a later generation something more? Can you answer me that? See, we don't make God weak. It is your misunderstanding of us that makes you see Him that way. He follows His plan, giving the people what they can handle, when they can handle. Apostasies have always occured throughout the bible. Sad that people refuse to see these things.

 

[RULDS2?]

The guy your talking to isn’t ignorant, he’s just wondering why you refuse to allow God into your heart to honestly convict you and rebuke you with his word.

And we wonder the same of you, and many like you, on this site.

So, honestly, no double-talk, no words that mean one thing to Mormons and something else to Christians, explain why it is when an angle came with a gospel that differed from what Paul wrote of and was writing of in gal1, just as Paul warned about, you’ve decided to fall away?

More clearly:
why do you follow a gospel different from that of the Christ we speak of and why do you worship a ‘god’ different from the one our Christ is the son of?

We don't. Just because you refuse to see it, doesn't make it so. We follow what God intended us to hear. We follow no "different" gospel, nor do we follow a different God. Your refusal to see this hinders only you, not us. We stand right.

 

[Swart]

we could just say "see number 78"

There are plausible ways of doing it without breaking the rules. One is to post the definitive answer here, bookmark the link to it and then link to it when necessary. Such as here, here, here and here.

To make it easier you can use tiny url.

Alternatively, you can link to your own website, and have subdirectories numbered /1 /2 /3 etc. where the question is answered. Just make sure there are no links to their from your main web page. Then say "answer 72". Everyone knows what it means.

 

[skylark1]

I always find this interesting. Many Christians say this. Yet, they don't see that this is basically the same pattern throughout the Bible. Should we stop reading the bible at Abraham? What about Moses? If God was a strong God, why did He forget things, and have to tell a later generation something more? Can you answer me that? See, we don't make God weak. It is your misunderstanding of us that makes you see Him that way. He follows His plan, giving the people what they can handle, when they can handle. Apostasies have always occured throughout the bible. Sad that people refuse to see these things.

The question is, were they total apostasies, or only partial? I believe that there has always been a remnant of true believers, who remained faithful.

Please read the following passages:

Numbers 14:31 and Numbers 14:38

Zechariah 13:8-9

Malachi 3:16

Malachi 4

 

[drstevej]

To make it easier you can use tiny url.

Alternatively, you can link to your own website, and have subdirectories numbered /1 /2 /3 etc. where the question is answered. Just make sure there are no links to their from your main web page. Then say "answer 72". Everyone knows what it means.

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[A New Dawn]

Yes, however, to my understanding, the Church is in the process to gaining the copyrights to it.

Sorry, that is not possible. The copyright of the JST expired a few years ago (10 years plus/minus), and the LDS is free to use it as they choose, but they cannot copyright it again.

 

[drstevej]

Sorry, that is not possible. The copyright of the JST expired a few years ago (10 years plus/minus), and the LDS is free to use it as they choose, but they cannot copyright it again.

Reminds me of a cartoon I saw in a Christian publication. In the cartoon a man with a guitar is at a microphone on stage. He is saying...

God gave me this song, but if you use it without paying me royalties.... I reserve the right to sue your socks off.