How do mormons get around galatians 1 verse 8

[Rescued One]

It never ceases to amaze me that people who claim to know more about Mormonism than Mormons fail to perceive this profound distinction between their beliefs and Mormonism.

Could you give us an example of someone who claims to know more about Mormonism than Mormons?

 

[Rescued One]

I have never heard mormons call the JST a commentary. It was always taught to me as JS had questions about certain passages and he prayed about it and got revelations from God on the differant verses and what they where supposed to say. By the way it is Joseph Smith Translation not JS commentary.

TCoJCoLDS did not canonize the JST because it fell into the hands of the RLDS, an apostate group.

 

[Rescued One]

But if a restoration took place, then it will affect you a little. You will know you were wrong, but still you will end up where you want to. For your expectations of the next life will be realized. You will not be married, you will not be in hell. You will be in a wonderful and glorious place alone. There is just more than your expectations.

You sure paint a rosy picture of eternal separation from God. And we are not amused by the deception.

 

[Rescued One]

Steve get your nose out of your list of quick anti mormon replys and listen. It does not matter one little bit if everything you have said here was revealed and taught by church leaders. And it would not make one little bit of difference if I believed what was taught. It is not doctrine.

The question is not whether it is official doctrine. Is it a lie or is it truth? What he quoted was not anti-Mormon. It was what your leaders said. Surely your leaders would not have made anti-Mormon statements.

 

[Rescued One]

It’s is quite an easy thing to organize a talk to make it say what is needed to fit one’s bias by limiting the content of a sentence then joining it to thought further on in the talk. If you read the quote in context he is being sarcastic of the rants of the eastern demoniational churches which he calls the "Christian world"

This is spin doctoring of the form that one can hear on CNN every night between the left the right commentators of politics

Paul

"I am a witness that Joseph Smith was a Prophet of God. What an uproar it would make in the Christian world to say, I am an Apostle of Joseph. Write it down, and write it back to your friends in the east, that I am an Apostle of Joseph Smith. He was a man of God and had the revelations of Jesus Christ, and the words of Jesus Christ to the people. He did build and establish the kingdom of God on earth, and through him the Lord Almighty again restored the Priesthood to the children of men.

"Brethren, I am a witness of that; not by my laying hands on the sick and they being healed, nor by the revelations which are given of him in the Bible, but by receiving the same Spirit and witness which the ancients received; by the visions of heaven being opened to my mind; by my understanding that which is revealed in the Book of Mormon, and that which Joseph revealed in the Book of Doctrine and Covenants.

"I am a witness that these are the revelations of the Lord through Joseph Smith, in this last dispensation for the gathering of the people; and all who reject my testimony will go to hell, so sure as there is one, no matter whether it be hot or cold; they will incur the displeasure of the Father and the Son." (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 3, p.212)

I see no sarcasm.

 

[RufustheRed]

Steve, it saddens me that you have to fall back on anti mormon tactics to prove an unprovable. Lets say that everything you have said is true. So what. Are we going to hell because we believe in do not follow your flavor of Christianity? If so, so be it. If a restoration did not take place, it does not affect you one little tiny weenie bit. But if a restoration took place, then it will affect you a little. You will know you were wrong, but still you will end up where you want to. For your expectations of the next life will be realized. You will not be married, you will not be in hell. You will be in a wonderful and glorious place alone. There is just more than your expectations.

This was not addressed to me, but I feel compelled to respond. You say, "what difference does it make?" If we believe that we are correct, and you know we do, then we are required to warn those who are not on the proper path.

Ezekiel33:1 Again the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, 2 Son of man, speak to the children of thy people, and say unto them, When I bring the sword upon a land, if the people of the land take a man of their coasts, and set him for their watchman: 3 If when he seeth the sword come upon the land, he blow the trumpet, and warn the people; 4 Then whosoever heareth the sound of the trumpet, and taketh not warning; if the sword come, and take him away, his blood shall be upon his own head. 5 He heard the sound of the trumpet, and took not warning; his blood shall be upon him. But he that taketh warning shall deliver his soul.
6 But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.
7 So thou, O son of man, I have set thee a watchman unto the house of Israel; therefore thou shalt hear the word at my mouth, and warn them from me. 8 When I say unto the wicked, O wicked man, thou shalt surely die; if thou dost not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.
9 Nevertheless, if thou warn the wicked of his way to turn from it; if he do not turn from his way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.

So it is not as simple as your "if I'm right and your wrong" analogy. There is much, much more at stake here. You also have shown that you do not understand Christianity as I have never heard of any Christian who has said that they would be alone in heaven. We will be with God.

Also, if a restoration was required then the LDS interpretation of God is of a weak God.

Finally, your proof text for the "restoration" (I prefer to call it an invention of Joseph Smith, Jr.) is not even completely in context. Does Satan sit on the throne God? Has he EVER?

Read the text again, in its entirety.

Have a nice week-end,
Sven

 

[4godslove]

Alas, but 3 different kingdoms does another gospel make.

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huh?

 

[gort]

huh?

It means your ears hear another gospel than what the bible teaches.

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[4godslove]

Could you give us an example of someone who claims to know more about Mormonism than Mormons?

Don't accuse this one of having read or being familiar with any anti-mormon literature.

 

[Followers4christ]

Do you as a Mormon put more faith in what the bible says are the book of mormon says ?.In the bible it says JEREMIAH 39:6"There at Riblah the king of Babylon slaughted the sons of Zedekiah before his eyes and also killed all his nobles of Judah."But in the book of mormon it says that one of his sons servived in HELAMAN 6:10.Joseph Smith said he saw GOD but the bible says nobody has seen GOD but for JESUS CHRIST JOHN 1:18"NO one has ever seen GOD,but GOD the one the only,who is at the Father's side,has made him known."JOHN 14:6"Jesus answered,"i am the way and the truth and the life.No one comes to the father except through me."The book of mormon says we are saved through baptizm but the bible says Who everbelieves that he died on the cross and rose again will be saved.If we put faith in him and repent our sins and follow him we will be saved.Romans 10:9"That if you confess with your mouth Jesus is lord and believe in your heart that GOD raised him from the dead you will be saved.Acts 2:21"And everyone who calls on the name of the lord will be saved."Romans 6:23"For the wages of sin is death,but the gift of GOD is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord."John 3:16"For GOD so loved the world that HE gave his one and only son,that Whoever believes in HIM shall not perish but have eternal life.For God did not send his son into the world to condemn the world,but to save the world through him."1 John 1:9"If we confess our sins,He is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness."Romans 3:22"This righteousness from GOD comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe.There is no difference,for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of GOD,and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus."Psalm 51:1"Have mercy on me,O GOD,according to Your unfailing love according to your great compassion blot out my iniquity and cleanse me from my sin."Galatians 5:24"Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature with its passions and desires."Romans 10:17"Consequently,faith comes hearing the message,and the message is heard through the word of Christ."John 5:24"I tell you the truth ,whoever hears my word and believes Him who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned he has crossed over from death to life."Romans 10:12"For there is no difference between jew and gentile the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on Him for everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."Joshua 1:8"Do not let this Book of the law depart from your mouth,meditate on it day and night,so that you may be careful to do everything written in it.Then you will be prosperous and successful."2 Corinthians 5:17"Therefore,if anyone is in Christ,he is a new creation the old has gone the new has come."The book of mormon says its a companion to the bible but how can it be a companion to the bible if it Contradicts the bible? GOD BLESS

 

[4godslove]

It means your ears hear another gospel than what the bible teaches.

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if you know me from around here, you know i joke around and rarely don't get too serious or shook up about what people say here, but man whoa!?

look. i'm sorry. i want to be nice, but you make it really hard because you don't know how absolutely stunned i am as i sit here at how absolutely unbelievably bazaar you comments are. are you sure you've really said what you want to say?

if you're willing to put your thinking cap on and think out of your box a little bit, maybe some of the other LDS who are more patient than i am would be willing to try and help you figure this out. or you can be defensive and learn nothing.

 

[Paul G]

" What an uproar it would make in the Christian world to say, I am an Apostle of Joseph. Write it down, and write it back to your friends in the east, that I am an Apostle of Joseph Smith.

I see no sarcasm.

ok you don't. I do, “What an uproar it would make” sounds pretty sarcastic to me.

Paul

 

[4godslove]

Do you as a Mormon put more faith in what the bible says are the book of mormon says ......."The book of mormon says its a companion to the bible but how can it be a companion to the bible if it Contradicts the bible? GOD BLESS

It amazes me when non-LDS quote the bible as a means to cast a shadow on the LDS church. at least other LDS should know what i mean. --side note. ever feel like we should just have a web site we could just link to so we wouldn't have to explain the same stuff over and over and over again. we could just say "see number 78"

good idea. look around here. your idea of contradictions should be explained somewhere around here..

quite frankly, i would probably give the book of mormon a slight edge as it comes to us from an unbroken chain of prophets...only a slight edge though. we certainly believe in the bible, in fact i have to say i actually believe the bible more now than i did as a mainstream christian since as a Latter-Day Saint it makes a heck of a lot more sense especially the old testament.

 

[drstevej]

Yes you have read pro LDS works, but you steeped yourself in anti long before you seen anthing positive.

Supposed statement of fact, how do you know this?

And FYI, I steeped myself in anti-Calvinistic literature prior to embracing it. I embraced it because I found it was consistent with Scripture despite all the prior literature and preaching to the contrary.

Now with Mormonism. I have never been a Mormon or had a family member who was. LDS visits made me interested in knowing what was up. I did my own research including getting a copy of D&C from the local stake (back then there wasn't a web and the Mariott's didn't include one with the BoM they provide).

The stake I called asked why I wanted a copy. I said, "To read." The reply was, "Why do you want to read it." My reply was, "I am interested in LDS primary sources to read for myself." The reply was "Why do you want to do that?"

When they finally sold me a copy ($9.00 for the large print version -- they only had one copy available for sale). I read it, cover to cover. My reaction was.... Smith sure has some convenient revelations when his wife objects to more wives... and what the dickens is this handshake test... and this declaration allowing blacks in the priesthood sure seems handy in a post Brown vs Board of education climate... and this Kolob stuff in the BoA... and reformed Egyptian.... had a few years of Hebrew and semitic studies none of which records "Reformed Egyptian."

So frankly it was the LDS Scriptures that sealed the deal for me regarding Joseph Smith's credibility.

The JST changes to the Bible without manuscript support and the LDS preface made it clear to me that the Bible was followed only as far as it supports JS' theology.

So label me as a Tannerite or anti-obsessed if you like... Truth is LDS Scripture side by side with the Bible is why I reject Joseph Smith as a false prophet whose "revelations" were rationaizations and justifications for his passions.

Glad you asked, FB.

 

[SayWhat???]

Do you as a Mormon put more faith in what the bible says are the book of mormon says ?.

I, personally, put more faith in Christ than either the BoM or the Bible.

In the bible it says JEREMIAH 39:6"There at Riblah the king of Babylon slaughted the sons of Zedekiah before his eyes and also killed all his nobles of Judah."But in the book of mormon it says that one of his sons servived in HELAMAN 6:10.

Somehow can't see where it says "ALL the sons of Zedekiah." Are you sure All of them were killed?

Joseph Smith said he saw GOD but the bible says nobody has seen GOD but for JESUS CHRIST JOHN 1:18"NO one has ever seen GOD,but GOD the one the only,who is at the Father's side,has made him known.

Genesis 32:30 - "I have seen God face to face."

Exodus 24:9-11 - Moses, Aaron, Nadab, Abihu, 70 of the Elderes of Israel and the nobles of the children of Israel saw God.

Exodus 33:11 - The Lord spake unto Moses face to face.

Judges 13:22 - "We have seen God."

Isaiah 6:5 - "Mine eyes have seen the King, the Lord of Hosts."

Acts 7:54-56 - Stephen saw Jesus on the right hand of God.

The problem here is that the Bible contradicts itself.

"JOHN 14:6"Jesus answered,"i am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the father except through me."The book of mormon says we are saved through baptizm but the bible says Who everbelieves that he died on the cross and rose again will be saved.If we put faith in him and repent our sins and follow him we will be saved.Romans 10:9"That if you confess with your mouth Jesus is lord and believe in your heart that GOD raised him from the dead you will be saved.Acts 2:21"And everyone who calls on the name of the lord will be saved."Romans 6:23"For the wages of sin is death,but the gift of GOD is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord."John 3:16"For GOD so loved the world that HE gave his one and only son,that Whoever believes in HIM shall not perish but have eternal life.For God did not send his son into the world to condemn the world,but to save the world through him."1 John 1:9"If we confess our sins,He is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness."Romans 3:22"This righteousness from GOD comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe.There is no difference,for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of GOD,and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus."Psalm 51:1"Have mercy on me,O GOD,according to Your unfailing love according to your great compassion blot out my iniquity and cleanse me from my sin."Galatians 5:24"Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature with its passions and desires."Romans 10:17"Consequently,faith comes hearing the message,and the message is heard through the word of Christ."John 5:24"I tell you the truth ,whoever hears my word and believes Him who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned he has crossed over from death to life."Romans 10:12"For there is no difference between jew and gentile the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on Him for everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."Joshua 1:8"Do not let this Book of the law depart from your mouth,meditate on it day and night,so that you may be careful to do everything written in it.Then you will be prosperous and successful."2 Corinthians 5:17"Therefore,if anyone is in Christ,he is a new creation the old has gone the new has come.

The Bible also states Baptism as a condition for salvation:

Mark 16:16 - "He that believeth AND IS BAPTIZED shall be saved..."



"The book of mormon says its a companion to the bible but how can it be a companion to the bible if it Contradicts the bible? GOD BLESS

Before you use this argument, it would be better to find a true contradiction. AT least one...

SW

 

[Apex]

It amazes me when non-LDS quote the bible as a means to cast a shadow on the LDS church. at least other LDS should know what i mean. --side note. ever feel like we should just have a web site we could just link to so we wouldn't have to explain the same stuff over and over and over again. we could just say "see number 78"

Oh that would be so nice! But it would probally be against some rule or another.

 

[drstevej]

Oh that would be so nice! But it would probally be against some rule or another.

Yep...

Rule No. 5 - No Promotion of Other Religions
5.1 You will not post, attach, use or send any posts, PMs, links, images or files that promote a religion, belief, faith or doctrine other than "Christianity" as defined in Rule 6.
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Also...

PLEASE READ: Guidelines concerning Rule 5, Promotion of other religions.
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[RufustheRed]

Could you give us an example of someone who claims to know more about Mormonism than Mormons?

Don't accuse this one of having read or being familiar with any anti-mormon literature.

To quote you on message #27, "huh?" Who accused you of that?

Sven

 

[MagusAlbertus]

but you make it really hard because you don't know how absolutely stunned i am as i sit here at how absolutely unbelievably bazaar you comments are.

ever feel like we should just have a web site we could just link to so we wouldn't have to explain the same stuff over and over and over again.

The guy your talking to isn’t ignorant, he’s just wondering why you refuse to allow God into your heart to honestly convict you and rebuke you with his word.

So, honestly, no double-talk, no words that mean one thing to Mormons and something else to Christians, explain why it is when an angle came with a gospel that differed from what Paul wrote of and was writing of in gal1, just as Paul warned about, you’ve decided to fall away?

More clearly:
why do you follow a gospel different from that of the Christ we speak of and why do you worship a ‘god’ different from the one our Christ is the son of?

 

[gort]

if you know me from around here, you know i joke around and rarely don't get too serious or shook up about what people say here, but man whoa!?

look. i'm sorry. i want to be nice, but you make it really hard because you don't know how absolutely stunned i am as i sit here at how absolutely unbelievably bazaar you comments are. are you sure you've really said what you want to say?

if you're willing to put your thinking cap on and think out of your box a little bit, maybe some of the other LDS who are more patient than i am would be willing to try and help you figure this out. or you can be defensive and learn nothing.

Or, you can just start with the ad hominum attacks.



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