How do I respectfully teach an ex feminist to live more biblically?

[Dan Bert]

Some say Lilith is Jewish (Hebrews) Folklore.....For my part ....Isaiah said He was the mouth of God....and so God would know the difference between folklore and what really happened. Isaiah taught the truth not folklore because God spoke by Isaiah. However, today, men are still free to chose what is true or not as they please.

 

[Dan Bert]

My mistake I read the posts first and in my mind might have incorporated them into one post. I do apologize for it.
dan

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Quoting two people means what? I'm confused.

 

[RedPonyDriver]

Some say Lilith is Jewish (Hebrews) Folklore.....For my part ....Isaiah said He was the mouth of God....and so God would know the difference between folklore and what really happened. Isaiah taught the truth not folklore because God spoke by Isaiah. However, today, men are still free to chose what is true or not as they please.

I searched 12 different translations. I found "lilith" in the Darby translation, in Isaiah 34:14. In the ASV, the phrase "night-monster" is used. BBV - "night-spirit". CEV: "creatures of the night". ESV: "night bird". GW: "Screech owls". KJV: "screech owl".

So...your whole argument about "lilith" is utter and complete bupkus

 

[Dan Bert]

For you it could be as you say bupkus. But for me....the words that once were in the ancient Christian bibles and hebrew bible..."There too Lilith shall repose, and find a place to rest, There shall be the owl nest and lay and hatch and brood in its shadow" means something to me and explains Isaiah 34:14 and other verses. I share what I know to be true according to my inner knowing. People are free to do what they please with the information.

dan

I searched 12 different translations. I found "lilith" in the Darby translation, in Isaiah 34:14. In the ASV, the phrase "night-monster" is used. BBV - "night-spirit". CEV: "creatures of the night". ESV: "night bird". GW: "Screech owls". KJV: "screech owl".

So...your whole argument about "lilith" is utter and complete bupkus

 

[RedPonyDriver]

Well, this silly little woman took time to actually RESEARCH your claim...ITS BUPKUS. Deal with it.

 

[HannahT]

Dan - if Litith was what you claim she was - she would be mentioned in passing some chapters pass Genesis. She would have at LEAST been mentioned in passing in Genesis. I mean at the VERY least. I have big issues with that. You can believe what you wish I guess.

Also the rule over part in Genesis? That was part of the curse. It wasn't meant as a present to males - or some order. It says that your desire will be for the male/husband, and he will rule over you. It's like anything else you covet and desire the wrong way according to God - it will rule over you. Doesn't mean your suppose to see it as a good thing. That justification is a human thing.

People allow all kinds of things to rule over them. Men talk about how LUST rules over them for example. Heck, even POWER! In our culture? Drugs, booze, etc - no gender deal there either. Ruling over any human in that sense - is never a good thing. Respect and love is always spoke about, but people overlook the boundaries the bible speaks about too. That also is a human thing to me. No gender deal there either. Our human side ignores it to our advantage, but on our faith side? Not so much.

 

[Dan Bert]

Red Pony...I would like to add my experience concerning Feminism. I have been married to a feminist for 38 years. The only way the marriage has survived is for me to go into "Unconditional Love". I have taught my wife the laws on marriage as given to us by God. Unconditional love does not permit the use of force, or coercion. It is patient and waits on the Lord. Those who have "Unconditional Love" love their spouse just because they are their Spouse....and not for what their Spouse do to make them happy. They find happiness and joy from within and do not depend on others for it. This permits me to walk on my path and the resistance that my wife provides is necessary for me. God has given me what I needed..not what I wanted. And it has worked out to my Good. The next step one does is bring down the power of God in the marriage. God will judge between the two and justify. The laws of men in western societies do not provide husbands to discipline their wife..which is a good thing. It is much better when God does the chastising of our spouse...because it become a personal thing between the spouse and God...and it leaves me out of it. Feminism is not compatible with Christianity any more than Islam is. Feminism is open rebellion to the laws of God.

bert10

If women scare you because of feminism, I think it's you that has the problem, not feminism.

 

[Dan Bert]

Hannah T. It is the order that God set...remember who did the Lord first inquire of in Genesis...Eve who led Adam in the fall or did the Lord first go to Adam for an explanation? Let me save you the time...God first went to Adam and then to Eve..and then to the Serpent which is not in the bible...and judgment came to first the Serpent who committed the greater sin...and to Eve which was lesser and then to Adam...

The curse affected the Serpent and the woman Spiritually and in the flesh. For Adam...God cursed the earth for Adam Sake. That he should earn his bread by the sweat of his brow.

The Apostles in the NT supported this ....and their writing are clear enough and they support the words of God in Genesis and to Isaiah for our day who said...that the leaders failed in their teachings leading men from the true path..so that children have become oppressors and women rule over men. This prophecy is fulfilled in our day.

Again as for Lilith I share what I know to be true...what you guys do with it...not my problem. Sharing is good if one does not get drawn in the battles of the opinions of the experts. Truth comes from the Spirit of truth.
dan

Dan - if Litith was what you claim she was - she would be mentioned in passing some chapters pass Genesis. She would have at LEAST been mentioned in passing in Genesis. I mean at the VERY least. I have big issues with that. You can believe what you wish I guess.

Also the rule over part in Genesis? That was part of the curse. It wasn't meant as a present to males - or some order. It says that your desire will be for the male/husband, and he will rule over you. It's like anything else you covet and desire the wrong way according to God - it will rule over you. Doesn't mean your suppose to see it as a good thing. That justification is a human thing.

People allow all kinds of things to rule over them. Men talk about how LUST rules over them for example. Heck, even POWER! In our culture? Drugs, booze, etc - no gender deal there either. Ruling over any human in that sense - is never a good thing. Respect and love is always spoke about, but people overlook the boundaries the bible speaks about too. That also is a human thing to me. No gender deal there either. Our human side ignores it to our advantage, but on our faith side? Not so much.

 

[RedPonyDriver]

That unconditional love thing works both ways. Some years ago my husband got very sick. He had to stop working...not that I cared, my love for him and his "worth" to me was not tied to his paycheck. He sank into depression, started drinking and abusing the prescribed opiates he had. He turned into a violent, abusive ( physically, verbally, mistreating my pets) man. I dealt with it, tried to get him to get help through suicide attempts, destruction of property, etc. I finally had to do the tough love and had him arrested. Yet...although I had biblical grounds to divorce him (he also had a couple affairs and a porn addiction), I (the feminist) chose to stay with him, pray for him and keep loving him even when my entire body was screaming to leave him. Instead I chose to honor my vows. The Lord answered my prayers and 5 weeks after his release from jail, I had the blessing and honor of baptizing him in front of our entire church community.
So...now...you tell me where this feminist violated any of God's laws.

 

[All4Christ]

In your quote of my post, there wasn't any writing from you. Did you think that you included a response ?

 

[Dan Bert]

Dan - if Litith was what you claim she was - she would be mentioned in passing some chapters pass Genesis. She would have at LEAST been mentioned in passing in Genesis. I mean at the VERY least. I have big issues with that. You can believe what you wish I guess.

Also the rule over part in Genesis? That was part of the curse. It wasn't meant as a present to males - or some order. It says that your desire will be for the male/husband, and he will rule over you. It's like anything else you covet and desire the wrong way according to God - it will rule over you. Doesn't mean your suppose to see it as a good thing. That justification is a human thing.

People allow all kinds of things to rule over them. Men talk about how LUST rules over them for example. Heck, even POWER! In our culture? Drugs, booze, etc - no gender deal there either. Ruling over any human in that sense - is never a good thing. Respect and love is always spoke about, but people overlook the boundaries the bible speaks about too. That also is a human thing to me. No gender deal there either. Our human side ignores it to our advantage, but on our faith side? Not so much.

Well, this silly little woman took time to actually RESEARCH your claim...ITS BUPKUS. Deal with it.

 

[Dan Bert]

Red Pony...I do not know what material you researched and how concerning Lilith. Have you tried the Midrash? How about looking up Genesis..For example Genesis 1:27 It states quite clearly God created the man and the woman in His Image. God created them both at this time...The Creation of Eve comes later in Genesis. Eve was created from the Rib of Adam in Genesis chapter 2 v21-22.

Just because a person or even many persons say something is bupkus does not make it so.

dan

 

[RedPonyDriver]

Red Pony...I do not know what material you researched and how concerning Lilith. Have you tried the Midrash? How about looking up Genesis..For example Genesis 1:27 It states quite clearly God created the man and the woman in His Image. God created them both at this time...The Creation of Eve comes later in Genesis. Eve was created from the Rib of Adam in Genesis chapter 2 v21-22.

Just because a person or even many persons say something is bupkus does not make it so.

dan

Let's see...14 different translations of the Bible, 3 commentaries, Strongs, and an Evangelical Dictionary. NOT a single source said anything close to what you are claiming. The Midrash is not Torah.

Again, your theology leaves a lot to be desired.

 

[Dan Bert]

In your quote of my post, there wasn't any writing from you. Did you think that you included a response ?

All4Christ....I thought that I did. It is kinda hard to call my computer a liar or blame it. After all it does what we tell it to do. I do apologize.

 

[Dan Bert]

Red Pony...For me it is sufficient...and explains the Scriptures of Isaiah. And for me it feels right as well, in my inner self. It is true the Midrash is not Torah. For myself it does not matter what God uses to help me. That is about it for me concerning Lilith. It is not my theology....All that I am required to do is share what I know. That is all.

dan

Let's see...14 different translations of the Bible, 3 commentaries, Strongs, and an Evangelical Dictionary. NOT a single source said anything close to what you are claiming. The Midrash is not Torah.

Again, your theology leaves a lot to be desired.

 

[RedPonyDriver]

Dan, Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 are two versions of the same creation story. I told you what my research showed on Isaiah 34:14. Now, if you insist on holding a belief that is demonstrably unbiblical and false, go for it. However, I would hope you would be wise enough to research what I wrote and check and see if your belief is erroneous. If you'd like, I could give you the email addresses of some of my professors from Liberty University or some pastors I know to double check.

 

[Dan Bert]

That unconditional love thing works both ways. Some years ago my husband got very sick. He had to stop working...not that I cared, my love for him and his "worth" to me was not tied to his paycheck. He sank into depression, started drinking and abusing the prescribed opiates he had. He turned into a violent, abusive ( physically, verbally, mistreating my pets) man. I dealt with it, tried to get him to get help through suicide attempts, destruction of property, etc. I finally had to do the tough love and had him arrested. Yet...although I had biblical grounds to divorce him (he also had a couple affairs and a porn addiction), I (the feminist) chose to stay with him, pray for him and keep loving him even when my entire body was screaming to leave him. Instead I chose to honor my vows. The Lord answered my prayers and 5 weeks after his release from jail, I had the blessing and honor of baptizing him in front of our entire church community.
So...now...you tell me where this feminist violated any of God's laws.

Very good inspiring story. You brought the power of God in your marriage. And God fix it for the good for you and your Spouse. Obviously if the husband has lost it...He also loses his authority over his family. Since all authority of God is based on Righteousness. The Apostles taught that the head of Christ is GOD (Father) and the Head of man is Christ and the head of woman is the man. These are not my teachings...when God prophesied this for our day by Isaiah it is not my teaching...
Isaiah 3:12 - As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths. These are not my teachings nor personal interpreation ...because it is clear as day. There are more stuff but this is sufficient I think.

 

[Dan Bert]

Red Pony....There are too many inconsistencies concerning this. There are no accidents everything exist for a purpose. It makes no sense at all for Moses to just repeat himself.Professors and Pastors are not the authority on what is true or not. The scribes of Hillel and also from the School of Gamaliel would say..concerning the teachings of Jesus...Is he not the son of Joseph a carpenter? Who did not have any formal training from either Schools. Truth comes from the Spirit of truth and only this Spirit has the power to transfer beliefs if they are correct into knowledge. I am not wise enough to make up my own mind based on teachings that come from men. Or else, how then can the whole world be deceived except for the Elect if every person with a peace of paper from their Schools had the truth?

Mulder from the X files said the truth is out there. He could not be any more wrong... The truth is inside of us. All we have to is search it out.

dan.

Dan, Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 are two versions of the same creation story. I told you what my research showed on Isaiah 34:14. Now, if you insist on holding a belief that is demonstrably unbiblical and false, go for it. However, I would hope you would be wise enough to research what I wrote and check and see if your belief is erroneous. If you'd like, I could give you the email addresses of some of my professors from Liberty University or some pastors I know to double check.

 

[Dan Bert]

I would like to add a few things...as I have had some experience with Satan. First of all you are right..and there are rules even Satan has to obey. First Satan is forbidden by God to deceive any man beyond his power to perceive the deception. And Satan as the Angel of light thing...do not fear it...because he has not the glory of those Angels. Also Satan cannot stand it when a person is in Repentance. Because they have taken an oath to never repent....Satan will depart if a man enters into repentance. Also as man rises on the Spiritual ladder and begins to be threat to the kingdom of Satan ....He will be tempted in person by Satan...Everyone that rises on the Spiritual ladder will eventually be tempted in person by him...Just like Jesus and his Apostles were.

There is a danger when praying aloud...if Satan hears it, he can use it to deceive. It is good to also pray in one's heart often. This prayer is not heard by Satan...and it goes straight to the Father. Satan will tempt those men who become Spiritual with these three weaknesses most often....Fame, power and wealth.

bert10

So you're saying that Satan is capable of replicating that happiness? That Satan can replicate the holy spirit, and then form himself into the silhouette of Jesus without me noticing? That I repented my sins to Satan? And have been repenting my sins to Satan this entire time?

That Satan sent angels to me after prayer?

That, my entire views of scripture have been put upon me by Satan?

I am willing to listen to you. I always DID listen to you. But, I just find it extremely hard to believe.

Also, a majority of the people in this thread HAVE been trying to help and support me. Always notice, the only people that have been not and the people who have been against me following God's path were somehow feminists...

I HAVE listened to everyone in this thread, even if I acted in anger against some of them. And I am actively putting several of the suggestions into motion.

 

[Ascended]

...my inner knowing.

dan

Totally believable and trustworthy. Pinnacle of academia right here, folks.