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IMO a church cannot start getting rid of anyone. It is supposed to be a place where sinners, who don't think things are a sin, can come and learn, be taught, investigate, seek and listen...
We should never turn them away unless they are being violent, obnoxious, disruptive, hurtful or damaging.
This would go for anyone else too.
I can't agree with this. If you and your wife are past child-bearing age, or perhaps have discovered that due to some physical problem cannot conceive children, do you believe it would be sinful for you two to continue to have sex? There must be a ton of activities that "serve no purpose" but are pleasurable and not sinful. As far as I can determine from reading scriptures, pleasure is a purpose—though not, of course, the only purpose, often not even a very important one. Nah, the reason it's sinful has to be some harm that it does, as you yourself wrote elsewhere in that post.....Sex is pleasurable for one reason and that's so we will multiply. God tells us homosexuality is wrong because it serves no purpose....
Because he doesn't believe the Bible is authoritative, duh! For thoughtful Christians this must be one of the most difficult conundrums of our faith: We're told the Bible is the word of God, but how do we know it's true? Because fallible men tell us it is? Let's not be silly. Because the Bible itself says it is? That's even worse. I didn't see any way to solve this until I asked God my own self, and He gave me an answer His own Self. After that I considered that riddle solved. But I don't see why anyone else would believe it, until they have the same assurance for themselves.Can you explain why you believe going against scripture is ok?
I can't agree with this. If you and your wife are past child-bearing age, or perhaps have discovered that due to some physical problem cannot conceive children, do you believe it would be sinful for you two to continue to have sex? There must be a ton of activities that "serve no purpose" but are pleasurable and not sinful. As far as I can determine from reading scriptures, pleasure is a purpose—though not, of course, the only purpose, often not even a very important one. Nah, the reason it's sinful has to be some harm that it does, as you yourself wrote elsewhere in that post.
Because he doesn't believe the Bible is authoritative, duh! For thoughtful Christians this must be one of the most difficult conundrums of our faith: We're told the Bible is the word of God, but how do we know it's true? Because fallible men tell us it is? Let's not be silly. Because the Bible itself says it is? That's even worse. I didn't see any way to solve this until I asked God my own self, and He gave me an answer His own Self. After that I considered that riddle solved. But I don't see why anyone else would believe it, until they have the same assurance for themselves.
Absolutely agree. I notice, by the way, that it's the churches that go this route that are the ones complaining of falling attendance. If they offer the world only what the world can offer on its own, I suppose there's no particular reason for the world to pay much attention. It's the churches who strongly desire to be obedient that are doing best, as far as I can see, purely in terms of attendance and interest.I just left a church that I've been going to for some time because the preacher for some reason decided to be politically correct. I know it was to increase attendance but at the cost of no longer offending people. To me thats definitely a falling away.
God tells us homosexuality is wrong because it serves no purpose.
I disagree... Unless they are vocal and arguing, contradicting the speaker or otherwise being disruptive... you let them stay.I agree. I was referring to those that have been taught, seen it in the bible and refuse to ask for forgiveness. The topic was homosexuals so I will stick with that as an example. Say every Sunday a homosexual that knows our beliefs but refuses to listen keeps showing up. They don't believe what they are doing is a sin and the bible says we are not to surround ourselves with sinners. The only solution would be to ask them to leave. We have to shine a light on sin. We can't sit back and accept it, preach that it's ok all because we are afraid someone won't like it. If we change our beliefs to accommodate sin we are denying Christ. Another poster said they didn't believe it was wrong to be homosexual. I don't understand how that can be allowed to be taught in the church. You will have people in the church that will believe the word of God has no meaning as long as the preacher says so.
I read those quotes... I don't think you got my original point.
You don't need to be a homosexual, liar, thief, cheat, adulterer or such to go to hell...
You can be any of those, also.. and be forgiven and go to heaven.
We all start on the road to hell.... every single one of us... Not one is righteous and nobody can do anything of themselves to be granted acceptance into heaven.
So, with that being true... everyone in heaven is a sinner.. They are just sinners who have been ransomed by Christ's work on the cross.
It all depends on your heart. Did you accept your sinfulness, confess it to Christ, accept His gift of salvation? Which covers all sins.
If I steel a car, a diamond ring.. or whatever.. I'm a thief... nothing will change that so that. Same with a homosexual...
However, you can accept that you are a sinner, from any sin... and ask for salvation, and be granted it.
So, there will be homosexuals in heaven... those that accepted Christ... If you have broken one law.. you have broken them all...
Most people on earth are denying Christ, whether they acknowledge Him as Savior/Messiah or not.We can't sit back and accept it, preach that it's ok all because we are afraid someone won't like it. If we change our beliefs to accommodate sin we are denying Christ.
But this is not what God's Instructions are in Scripture,I disagree... Unless they are vocal and arguing, contradicting the speaker or otherwise being disruptive... you let them stay.
We are slaves to nothing.. Christ has set us free.I did know that
There are repented forgiven people in heaven. God is the judge of that. But on earth once we know the truth we are to be "slaves of righteousness". The topic on this thread is about teaching young people.
It's not up to me if they stay in sin or not... That is their choice. Anyone that wants to can come and sit in the service at our church... anyone. Long as they don't act up, shout out, disrupt the service in any way.But this is not what God's Instructions are in Scripture,
and while it might seem , somehow, okay to let them stay in sin and stay in the assembly,
God Clearly says it pollutes the assembly - and He says not to do that.
Hello everyone I am in need of seasoned advice. Today in Youth Group in which I help lead we went over the topic of Homosexuality and what the Bible had to say about it as well as what the official doctrine of the Universal church had to say. Needless to say I don't feel that the other Youth Leaders and myself did a very good job of explaining homosexuality and why is it considered wrong. Some like myself were afraid of offending others and the others kinda had this mentality that well it's 2020 and it's ok in the west to be in a homosexual relationship. I tried the best I could to explain how God is loving but that homosexuality was a demonic manifestation and lie. At the end of it they still believed that love was love. Do any of you have any experience witnessing to homosexuals or how do we stand firm on the truth but present it in love?
I disagree... Unless they are vocal and arguing, contradicting the speaker or otherwise being disruptive... you let them stay.
Some seeds grow slowly. They would be there for some reason. Until it is found to be disruptive... we cannot start judging who is allowed in church and who is not.
We are slaves to nothing.. Christ has set us free.
Slaves to Righteousness
Romans 6
15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under the law but under grace? By no means! 16 Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness? 17 But thanks be to God that, though you used to be slaves to sin, you have come to obey from your heart the pattern of teaching that has now claimed your allegiance. 18 You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.
19 I am using an example from everyday life because of your human limitations. Just as you used to offer yourselves as slaves to impurity and to ever-increasing wickedness, so now offer yourselves as slaves to righteousness leading to holiness. 20 When you were slaves to sin, you were free from the control of righteousness. 21 What benefit did you reap at that time from the things you are now ashamed of? Those things result in death! 22 But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life. 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Did you read the Instructions to the assemblies in the NT ? Concerning those who do sin and do not repent ? After they are appropriately approached - perhaps three or more times, and if they still continue living in sin, not repenting,It's not up to me if they stay in sin or not... That is their choice. Anyone that wants to can come and sit in the service at our church... anyone. Long as they don't act up, shout out, disrupt the service in any way.
We don't screen our attendees.
FIRST seek Yahweh's Kingdom , AND His Righteousness (no iniquity)... FIRST, and finally, all the time.Finally, take it to God in prayer, and seek guidance.
Because the deception is greater than ever before since the first century.Why has the church been so obsessed with this issue for 50 years now?
But a good question for the group: Why has the church been so obsessed with this issue for 50 years now
Another good question: or rather clarification : All the true assemblies of born again Ekklesia I've ever seen, heard, been in, or heard about, have no such obsession with sin or with sinners. They simply do not allow such things, instead live daily obeying Jesus simply, as His sheep, like little children (that Jesus says we must become like to ever see heaven).But a good question for the group: Why has the church been so obsessed with this issue for 50 years now?
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