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Can you give me an example?I would think the answer would be the same as with heterosexuals. It would depend upon the individual and the situation.
1 Corinthians 6:9
Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites,
1 Timothy 1:9-11 New International Version (NIV)
9 We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10 for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine 11 that conforms to the gospel concerning the glory of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me.
I have found it best to first disintegrate the world's teaching on just what it is. They would have us believe we are born with it, and if we feel it we are it. But that isn't what the Bible says about any sin. Sexual desire is not adultery. Wanting to stay out of trouble isn't lying. Homosexuality is the act --the deed. And if one wants to be identified as a homosexual, he is condemning himself according to the Bible (as you know). That is why I don't call people homosexuals who have done it, unless they are proud of it, continue in it, and their affectations display it.Hello everyone I am in need of seasoned advice. Today in Youth Group in which I help lead we went over the topic of Homosexuality and what the Bible had to say about it as well as what the official doctrine of the Universal church had to say. Needless to say I don't feel that the other Youth Leaders and myself did a very good job of explaining homosexuality and why is it considered wrong. Some like myself were afraid of offending others and the others kinda had this mentality that well it's 2020 and it's ok in the west to be in a homosexual relationship. I tried the best I could to explain how God is loving but that homosexuality was a demonic manifestation and lie. At the end of it they still believed that love was love. Do any of you have any experience witnessing to homosexuals or how do we stand firm on the truth but present it in love?
Love is love.Hello everyone I am in need of seasoned advice. Today in Youth Group in which I help lead we went over the topic of Homosexuality and what the Bible had to say about it as well as what the official doctrine of the Universal church had to say. Needless to say I don't feel that the other Youth Leaders and myself did a very good job of explaining homosexuality and why is it considered wrong. Some like myself were afraid of offending others and the others kinda had this mentality that well it's 2020 and it's ok in the west to be in a homosexual relationship. I tried the best I could to explain how God is loving but that homosexuality was a demonic manifestation and lie. At the end of it they still believed that love was love. Do any of you have any experience witnessing to homosexuals or how do we stand firm on the truth but present it in love?
My point was.... We are all sinners... If you have broken one of the laws, you have broken all of them... Homosexual life style is a sin... again... who is without sin.People not obeying Christ commands and not teaching the truth won't inherit the kingdom of heaven.
John 14:14-16 New International Version (NIV)
14 You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.
Jesus Promises the Holy Spirit
15 “If you love me, keep my commands. 16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever—
1 Corinthians 6:9
Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites,
1 Timothy 1:9-11 New International Version (NIV)
9 We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10 for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine 11 that conforms to the gospel concerning the glory of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me.
The passage is clearer in English than Greek. There are two key Greek words. One has a literal meaning of soft. The other wasn't used before Paul. It has been translated in various ways over history.Im wondering how posters who think homosexuality is ok would explain this scripture.
Amen, especially to the last one.What if there is a gay person in the room that you don't know about? Make sure you're speaking to that person.
First, separate the orientation from the sin. The orientation is simply the vector by which people with same-sex attractions are tempted. The sin is saying "yes" to the temptation. See Matthew 4:1-4. Jesus wasn't sinning by being hungry. He would have sinned if he put his appetite before his obedience.
Second, acknowledge the work of the cross in bringing homosexuals from death to life. See 1 Corinthians 6:9-11. Never quote verses 9 and 10 without 11. Acknowledge also that this doesn't automatically mean that they won't still be attracted to people of the same sex, though it is possible. Bear with them just as you would bear with a heterosexual who struggles with masturbation and pornography - assuming you do that in a life-giving way rather than harshly.
Third, emphasize that we are created for God, not for our appetites (1 Corinthians 6:12-20, especially verse 13). He makes the rules on what people, especially Christians, should and should not do sexually. And the Christian life is a life of surrender. Whatever proclivities (homosexual lust, heterosexual lust, anger, gluttony, selfishness, mean-spiritedness, you name it) we may be born with, we must not be ruled by them, but follow Christ instead.
Fourth, make sure you're not treating this sin as special. There's a man in my men's group with strong same-sex attractions. It took him over a year to confess them. Nothing really changed after that, we're aware of his struggle and respectful of it, but he's just as much one of the guys as he ever was. We still hang out and do things and encourage each other. Now, he was clear when he came out to us that he had a conservative understanding of Biblical sexuality, and he holds to that, so we didn't have to convince him that it was wrong to indulge in homosexual lust and relationships. But he does need to know that we're in his corner and that he can be real with us. Many homosexuals that leave the church say they didn't get that when they were in the church. (Note that I have not spoken with him on how to teach this to kids.)
Hello everyone I am in need of seasoned advice. Today in Youth Group in which I help lead we went over the topic of Homosexuality and what the Bible had to say about it as well as what the official doctrine of the Universal church had to say. Needless to say I don't feel that the other Youth Leaders and myself did a very good job of explaining homosexuality and why is it considered wrong. Some like myself were afraid of offending others and the others kinda had this mentality that well it's 2020 and it's ok in the west to be in a homosexual relationship. I tried the best I could to explain how God is loving but that homosexuality was a demonic manifestation and lie. At the end of it they still believed that love was love. Do any of you have any experience witnessing to homosexuals or how do we stand firm on the truth but present it in love?
My point was.... We are all sinners... If you have broken one of the laws, you have broken all of them... Homosexual life style is a sin... again... who is without sin.
Don't be so quick to send others to hell... Christ's blood covers all sins.
Saying "don't be so quick to send others to hell" is a figure of speech...Jack spratt said "I am of the opinion that there will be thieves, cheats, liars, gossips, gluttons, adulterers, and homosexuals in heaven".
I just quoted you scripture that says the opposite of what you said.
The thief on the cross is a special situation. He was about to die with Christ. But your right. "all have fallen short of the glory God". That is we have all sinned except for Christ. That's not really the point of the discussion.
Saying I'm sending others to hell is unfair as I am just quoting what the scriptures say. This is a discussion site ! IT is love to warn people of the truth.
Romans 6 New International Version (NIV)
Dead to Sin, Alive in Christ
6 What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? 2 By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? 3 Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.
Slaves to Righteousness
15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under the law but under grace? By no means! 16 Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness? 17 But thanks be to God that, though you used to be slaves to sin, you have come to obey from your heart the pattern of teaching that has now claimed your allegiance. 18 You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.
19 I am using an example from everyday life because of your human limitations. Just as you used to offer yourselves as slaves to impurity and to ever-increasing wickedness, so now offer yourselves as slaves to righteousness leading to holiness. 20 When you were slaves to sin, you were free from the control of righteousness. 21 What benefit did you reap at that time from the things you are now ashamed of? Those things result in death! 22 But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life. 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Matt 5
19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
I don't think gay relationships are wrong. But I'm assuming you're a conservative Christian who does. At that point what you say depends upon your theology. I would hope what you'd say is that it's wrong, but it's no different from other sins, and God saves sinners.
Christians have created a lot of damage, both to individuals and to the Christian witness, by (1) treating homosexuality as the unforgiveable sin, (2) demanding that Christians rid themselves of certain sins (with homosexuality seeming to be the only example) in order to be saved, (3) and false claims that if you have enough faith you'll be "cured" of homosexuality.
Given what we know of the beliefs of younger Christians, you might even say that quite likely some people in the room disagree with your position, but you hope that won't create a barrier between you. Of course that depends upon whether you personally are willing to accept disagreement on this topic. Lots of conservative Christians consider this the one issue where no disagreement is permitted.
Saying "don't be so quick to send others to hell" is a figure of speech...
And, I still stand that there will be thieves, gossips and all the rest.. in heaven.. They will have accepted Christ as their savior and will be wearing His righteousness. Just like the thief on the cross... I will be seen as whole, clean as snow and my sins will be no more. As will every saved soul from all time.
Nobody is sinless.. so heaven will be full of sinners... saved sinners. No sin is unforgivable.. except the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit... being Homosexual... is not unforgivable.
Hello everyone I am in need of seasoned advice. Today in Youth Group in which I help lead we went over the topic of Homosexuality and what the Bible had to say about it as well as what the official doctrine of the Universal Church had to say. Needless to say I don't feel that the other Youth Leaders and myself did a very good job of explaining homosexuality and why is it considered wrong. Some like myself were afraid of offending others and the others kinda had this mentality that well it's 2020 and it's ok in the west to be in a homosexual relationship. I tried the best I could to explain how God is loving but that homosexuality was a demonic manifestation and lie. At the end of it they still believed that love was love. Do any of you have any experience witnessing to homosexuals or how do we stand firm on the truth but present it in love?
I read those quotes... I don't think you got my original point.I don't think you read fully or understood the last bible quotes I sent you.
These bible quotes below are for someone first seeking the kingdom of heaven in this life. Not the people in heaven or soon going there as the thief was.
1 Corinthians 6:9
Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites,
1 Timothy 1:9-11 New International Version (NIV)
9 We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10 for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine 11 that conforms to the gospel concerning the glory of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me.
If you rid the church of people who don't stop sinning... there would be an empty building.I would think explaining it by reading scripture would be good enough. Why would you be worried about offending someone? If you don't rid the church of sinners who don't ask for forgiveness and keep on committing sin you risk them influencing others. We are told not to surround ourselves with sinners and even told what ones won't inherit the kingdom of God. If a homosexual or any sinner doesn't see what they are doing as wrong they won't ask for forgiveness. It is better to put a person like that out than to put the others at risk. Surely you wouldn't worry about offending an adulterer, thief, idol worshipper or any other sinner or let them continue to sin and sit in your church without confronting them. Narrow is the path. We all struggle but we all also see what we do as wrong and ask for help and forgiveness. Being a leader is tough that's why not everyone wants to lead.
If you rid the church of people who don't stop sinning... there would be an empty building.
IMO a church cannot start getting rid of anyone. It is supposed to be a place where sinners, who don't think things are a sin, can come and learn, be taught, investigate, seek and listen...People who don't think its a sin and don't ask for forgiveness even though the bible says its wrong. If they don't believe they should be asked to leave. The only reason a nonbeliever would have to stay in a church would be to deceive others.
Rules of this forum don't permit discussion of this topic, so I'll simply suggest that you investigate further the accuracy of those translations.I don't think you read fully or understood the last bible quotes I sent you.
These bible quotes below are for someone first seeking the kingdom of heaven in this life. Not the people in heaven or soon going there as the thief was.
1 Corinthians 6:9
Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites,
1 Timothy 1:9-11 New International Version (NIV)
9 We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10 for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine 11 that conforms to the gospel concerning the glory of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me.
Hello everyone I am in need of seasoned advice. Today in Youth Group in which I help lead we went over the topic of Homosexuality and what the Bible had to say about it as well as what the official doctrine of the Universal church had to say. Needless to say I don't feel that the other Youth Leaders and myself did a very good job of explaining homosexuality and why is it considered wrong. Some like myself were afraid of offending others and the others kinda had this mentality that well it's 2020 and it's ok in the west to be in a homosexual relationship. I tried the best I could to explain how God is loving but that homosexuality was a demonic manifestation and lie. At the end of it they still believed that love was love. Do any of you have any experience witnessing to homosexuals or how do we stand firm on the truth but present it in love?
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