How do creationists test their ideas?

Kylie · May 2, 2019

Aman777 said:
Prove it. Just post a single instance when God's Truth has been refuted (proven wrong) especially since NO one has been able to prove wrong it's agreement with Science History and Genetics. All I see that can be proven wrong, is your view.

If the Bible was correct, then all animals would display evidence of a genetic bottleneck caused by Noah's flood. There is no evidence of such a universal bottleneck. Therefore there was no flood and the Bible is wrong.

Done.

AV1611VET · May 2, 2019

Kylie said:
If the Bible was correct, then all animals would display evidence of a genetic bottleneck caused by Noah's flood.

No they wouldn't.

Not if the Bible is correct.

The Bible has God controlling every facet of the situation.

Subduction Zone · May 2, 2019

AV1611VET said:
No they wouldn't.

Not if the Bible is correct.

The Bible has God controlling every facet of the situation.

Sorry, that is a claim that you need to support. Otherwise my little friend refutes your claim:

That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

In other words arguments handwaved in can be refuted with a handwave

pitabread · May 2, 2019

AV1611VET said:
No they wouldn't.

Not if the Bible is correct.

The Bible has God controlling every facet of the situation.

Translation: deception.

AV1611VET · May 2, 2019

Subduction Zone said:
Sorry, that is a claim that you need to support.

The premise is as stated by Kylie:

"If the Bible is correct ..."

So support is not an issue here.

AV1611VET · May 2, 2019

pitabread said:
Translation: deception.

Either way, Kylie is wrong.

essentialsaltes · May 2, 2019

AV1611VET said:
The premise is as stated by Kylie:

"If the Bible is correct ..."

The Bible does not mention any miraculous injection of additional genetic diversity. So the assumption of "God controlling every facet of the situation" in this context goes beyond the text of the Bible.

AV1611VET · May 2, 2019

essentialsaltes said:
The Bible does not mention any miraculous injection of additional genetic diversity. So the assumption of "God controlling every facet of the situation" in this context goes beyond the text of the Bible.

What's this blessing then?

Genesis 9:1 And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.

And who said anything about "genetic diversity"?

In any event, if the Bible is right, then God did it.

essentialsaltes · May 2, 2019

AV1611VET said:
What's this blessing then?

Genesis 9:1 And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.

Being fruitful and multiplying would not erase the evidence of a genetic bottleneck.

And who said anything about "genetic diversity"?

Kylie's comment about genetic bottleneck is related to that. For your reply to be relevant, it has to address this point.

AV1611VET · May 2, 2019

essentialsaltes said:
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The Bible is correct as It stands, and anyone who says otherwise is wrong.

Especially if all they have to go on is science.

That's how I define "faith":

Believing something, even if science says otherwise.

Subduction Zone · May 3, 2019

AV1611VET said:
The premise is as stated by Kylie:

"If the Bible is correct ..."

So support is not an issue here.

Quoting out of context is almost always dishonest. That was a conditional statement that has been refuted by reality.

Subduction Zone · May 3, 2019

AV1611VET said:
The Bible is correct as It stands, and anyone who says otherwise is wrong.

Especially if all they have to go on is science.

That's how I define "faith":

Believing something, even if science says otherwise.

People only use "faith" when they do not have a valid reason for a belief. It is a negative and not a positive.

Kylie · May 3, 2019

AV1611VET said:
No they wouldn't.

Not if the Bible is correct.

The Bible has God controlling every facet of the situation.

And yet he couldn't get it done by just snapping his almighty fingers? Seems like he went to an AWFUL lot of trouble to make it look like it never happened, even though he made sure it was "documented" (to use a term you seem to like).

Funny, that, isn't it? And, strangely enough, that's exactly what we'd expect to see if the Bible is just a bunch of stories people wrote down and never really happened.

Kylie · May 3, 2019

AV1611VET said:
Either way, Kylie is wrong.

No, I'm not wrong.

If the Bible is correct, we should see evidence of a genetic bottleneck. There is no evidence of a genetic bottleneck, therefore the Bible is not correct.

You want to have your cake and eat it too, so you have to perform all these hand waving excuses that don't make sense. If God wants us to know about it, why did he remove the genetic evidence? If he wants it to remain hidden, why did he allow the story in the Bible to remain? Why wouldn't an omnipotent God make sure all the evidence available to us is consistent?

The simplest explanation is that it never happened, and what is in the Bible is just a story. The people who wrote it (or first started telling it) had no way to alter reality to make reality fit their story, and besides, the concept of a genetic bottleneck is something they couldn't even comprehend. And now we have reality telling one story and the Bible telling another story. And guess what happens when reality and belief contradict? You have to change your beliefs, because you sure can't change reality.

AV1611VET · May 3, 2019

We've been through all this before, haven't we?

Kylie said:
And yet he couldn't get it done by just snapping his almighty fingers?

Then no one would have had time to pray the sinner's prayer.

Kylie said:
Seems like he went to an AWFUL lot of trouble to make it look like it never happened, even though he made sure it was "documented" (to use a term you seem to like).

QV please: My Sanitary Challenge

Kylie said:
Funny, that, isn't it?

No.

Kylie said:
And, strangely enough, that's exactly what we'd expect to see if the Bible is just a bunch of stories people wrote down and never really happened.

Do you think God left a scar behind when He took a rib from Adam?

AV1611VET · May 3, 2019

Kylie said:
If God wants us to know about it, why did he remove the genetic evidence?

Remove what genetic evidence?

God drowned everyone on Earth except for eight people.

Then He blessed those eight people and charged them to replenish the Earth.

Genesis 9:1 And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.

Without that blessing Earth would have never recovered from its population bottleneck.

Interesting that you see it as He trying to hide something.

VirOptimus · May 3, 2019

AV1611VET said:
We've been through all this before, haven't we?
Then no one would have had time to pray the sinner's prayer.QV please: My Sanitary ChallengeNo.Do you think God left a scar behind when He took a rib from Adam?

Its one thing to have "faith" where there is no clear answer, to questions like "why are we here", "what is the meaning of life", "where does morality come from".

But scientific questions arent like that, we do know quite a lot about physical reality and trying to argue against it is quite dumb.

Subduction Zone · May 3, 2019

AV1611VET said:
Remove what genetic evidence?

God drowned everyone on Earth except for eight people.

Then He blessed those eight people and charged them to replenish the Earth.

Genesis 9:1 And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.

Without that blessing Earth would have never recovered from its population bottleneck.

Interesting that you see it as He trying to hide something.

The genetic evidence that your myth tell us would exist. There would only be the genetic evidence of five people. That of Noah and his wife and the wives of his three sons.

Tell me, is the myth of waking up in a seedy hotel bathroom in a tub full of ice and missing a kidney a real worry? Your myth says that it should be.

AV1611VET · May 3, 2019

Subduction Zone said:
The genetic evidence that your myth tell us would exist.

I'll ask a second time:

What genetic evidence?

You want genetic evidence of Adam, Seth, Enoch, Methuselah ... who?

The Nephilim?

Frankly, I don't understand what it is you're expecting to find; and I suspect you guys don't either.

VirOptimus · May 3, 2019

AV1611VET said:
I'll ask a second time:

What genetic evidence?

You want genetic evidence of Adam, Seth, Enoch, Methuselah ... who?

The Nephilim?

Frankly, I don't understand what it is you're expecting to find; and I suspect you guys don't either.

We dont expect to find anything as it didnt happen.

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