How do creationists feel when people accuse them of lying for Jesus?

[SiderealExalt]

Which comes from Greek myth if I remember correctly. I doubt most people however attach a supernatural significance to such.

 

[Split Rock]

Evolutionists start with a conclusion. That conclusion is that there are only natural proccesses ---- miracles never happen. They never waver from that premise.

Science is restricted to natural laws because we cannot test the supernatural.

Creationist believe that GOD is not bound by nature and they do not waver from that premise.

What a small god you worship. Why would he need to violate the very natural laws he created??

Each has its own unalterable premise and the simple fact is that they ARE contrary to each other.

If your religious dogma is contray to science, that is just too bad. I am glad to hear one of you admit that it is not just evolution you are threatened by, but all of science. I guess the argument that creationists only have issues with evolution because it is "bad" science, is just another one of those lies for Jesus this thread is about.

Get over it and quit making excuses for evolutionists while throwing mud at creationists.

(sniff)... poor creationists. They can throw mud, but they cannot seem to take it.

Once that happens, more time will be spent on research and less on arguing.

Creationists have no interest in doing research. They already have all the answers. "Goddidit. I believe it. That settles it."

I didn't wish to say that evolutionists, if they do not believe in GOD, certainly make no room for GOD in their research.

Finally you said something that is correct!!

They have concluded this with an "naturalistic agenda" started by social/nominal christians at some point in an age long past and have clung to it religiously ever since.

So, if you attach the word "religiously" to the end of your sentence, I suppose that makes evolution a "religion".. right? OK. I will play the same game. "Creationists have concluded this with a supernatural agenda started by Seventh Day Aventists at some point in an age long past and have clung to it atheistically ever since." Guess that makes you an atheist.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

I think it's funny that she should brush off the snake on a pole, when that's the exact symbol used on Emergency Medical Services vehicles here in the US:

Indeed, its called an Aesceplus, and its an ancient symbol of healing, from the Greek tradition, rather than the Judeo-Christian one... but even though thats the symbol they wear, I bet you'd be pretty upset if the Ambos arrived and went to treat your venomous snake bite with a brass snake, rather than, say, anti-venom and reduction bandaging

 

[AV1611VET]

Indeed, its called an Aesceplus, and its an ancient symbol of healing, from the Greek tradition, rather than the Judeo-Christian one... but even though thats the symbol they wear, I bet you'd be pretty upset if the Ambos arrived and went to treat your venomous snake bite with a brass snake, rather than, say, anti-venom and reduction bandaging

[bible]Numbers 21:8-9[/bible]

I'll bet you would be surprised if God repeated what He did here, and made your anti-venom and reduction bandaging antiquated by comparison.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

[bible]Numbers 21:8-9[/bible]

I'll bet you would be surprised if God repeated what He did here, and made your anti-venom and reduction bandaging antiquated by comparison.

Indeed I would. Which is why I'd rather see ambulances that show up with anti-snake bite kits on board than brass snakes.

And deep down, I believe you would too. As the rattle snake or taipan venom seeps its way through your veinous system towards your heart, I doubt very much, given the option between a brass snake and the appropriate antivenene treatment, anyone would take the brass snake option.

(isn't believing that a brass snake has the power to heal snakebites idolatry anyway?)

 

[Nathan Poe]

[bible]Numbers 21:8-9[/bible]

I'll bet you would be surprised if God repeated what He did here, and made your anti-venom and reduction bandaging antiquated by comparison.

I would very much be surprised -- but the odds of that happening are exactly nil, so it's moot.

Besides, all the friends and families of people who died of snakebite would probably want a word or two with God as to why He dragged his feet with this miracle cure.

 

[stone]

This question doesn't make any sense.

When ever creationism is discussed people are heard to say that creationists twist, misconstrue or blatantly tell lies,
what have creationists got to say against these allegations? do you lie for Jesus?

 

[AV1611VET]

(isn't believing that a brass snake has the power to heal snakebites idolatry anyway?)

Yes --- in the pre-ambulance days, when God ruled this earth as a theocracy, and they didn't need ambulances, something went wrong, and God responded accordingly.

[bible]2 Kings 18:4[/bible]

The difference is, in the Wilderness, that venom would have never made it to my heart; but today, it depends on how fast an ambulance can respond.

 

[AV1611VET]

I would very much be surprised -- but the odds of that happening are exactly nil, so it's moot.

Besides, all the friends and families of people who died of snakebite would probably want a word or two with God as to why He dragged his feet with this miracle cure.

You'd have to get in line with Korah and his family - then you would be surprised.

[bible]Numbers 16:27-34[/bible]

 

[stone]

The blessing from god in a snake bite case would be that the bite would never take place to begin with. If it takes place, and you die, then it is your time to die.

 

[Phred]

You'd have to get in line with Korah and his family - then you would be surprised.

Let's say that all this is true... it doesn't happen TODAY. All the miracles you claim are true... fine, I'll give 'em to ya. Korah ... wow. But they don't happen TODAY. Snakes bite you and you die without MAN to fix you. Why is that AV? Is there some reason that your deity no longer plays here on earth? The Bible is no longer being written in case you haven't noticed... why is that?

You're all thrilled about stories that detail "miracles" that "happened" thousands of years ago. Yet, they don't happen today... in fact many of them CAN'T happen today. You claim your god is all goodness and light but he's not around anymore.

Why is your Bible a dead document? Shouldn't you be writing new verses every day? But... no.

Instead you flip these so-called "miracles" around like I should be impressed. I don't believe they ever happened and I don't believe your god exists. Yet here you are... with your god borrowed from a bunch of Jews who were trying to impress others with how tough THEIR imaginary god was. You've just borrowed an imaginary god... it's NOT EVEN YOURS.

Sad... truly sad. Religionists like yourself should be committed to institutions... but there's no way that will ever happen. Too many realize that would open them up to scrutiny for their belief. I mean really... an invisible being powerful enough to create the universe who knows your thoughts yet petty enough to be mad at you for them. Look around you... look at how utterly vast the universe is and then realize a being wonderful enough to hold this all in its mind is going to be mad at you for jerking off. It's going to test you by making holy books that disagree with reality. This is simply beyond possibility. No god that could create a universe this vast could also create a hemorrhoid.

 

[stone]

They do happen today.

 

[stone]

Your knowledge of god is obviously in error.

Let's say that all this is true... it doesn't happen TODAY. All the miracles you claim are true... fine, I'll give 'em to ya. Korah ... wow. But they don't happen TODAY. Snakes bite you and you die without MAN to fix you. Why is that AV? Is there some reason that your deity no longer plays here on earth? The Bible is no longer being written in case you haven't noticed... why is that?

You're all thrilled about stories that detail "miracles" that "happened" thousands of years ago. Yet, they don't happen today... in fact many of them CAN'T happen today. You claim your god is all goodness and light but he's not around anymore.

Why is your Bible a dead document? Shouldn't you be writing new verses every day? But... no.

Instead you flip these so-called "miracles" around like I should be impressed. I don't believe they ever happened and I don't believe your god exists. Yet here you are... with your god borrowed from a bunch of Jews who were trying to impress others with how tough THEIR imaginary god was. You've just borrowed an imaginary god... it's NOT EVEN YOURS.

Sad... truly sad. Religionists like yourself should be committed to institutions... but there's no way that will ever happen. Too many realize that would open them up to scrutiny for their belief. I mean really... an invisible being powerful enough to create the universe who knows your thoughts yet petty enough to be mad at you for them. Look around you... look at how utterly vast the universe is and then realize a being wonderful enough to hold this all in its mind is going to be mad at you for jerking off. It's going to test you by making holy books that disagree with reality. This is simply beyond possibility. No god that could create a universe this vast could also create a hemorrhoid.

 

[Phred]

They do happen today.

Really? Name ONE.

 

[Phred]

Your knowledge of god is obviously in error.

Or yours is.

 

[stone]

Really? Name ONE.

i am one

 

[stone]

Or yours is.

not mine.

 

[Phred]

i am one

And so you don't have any "miracles" to site. Just tripe. YOU are easily explained through normal natural processes. No "miracles" involved. No need for gods.

Thanks for making my case.

 

[Phred]

not mine.

How can you have knowledge of that, which you must admit, you cannot have knowledge of?

 

[stone]

You didn't ask any questions. How could i make your case?

Or maybe your expecting your display to part in the middle? cyber miracles..?