How do creationists feel when people accuse them of lying for Jesus?

[necroforest]

Haha- joining the club are you.

*points to signature*

Your tintin is a just a false moonlancer.

 

[LittleNipper]

Guilty, for being caught out in the lie, or sanctimoniously self righteous and persecuted... if they are scientifically illiterate brainwashed followers...

I see no actual lies with regard to either evolutionists or creationist. I do note that "govermental" censorship of anything that smacks of Christian thinking, in "governentally stolen" institutions of education, has left secularist ample opportunity to make open secular presumtions and speculation appear "scientific," without any counter balance of any sort that is considered "legal." There is nothing wrong with Creationist speculation and presumption. It is the stuff investigation is founded on.

 

[anonymous1515]

I see no actual lies with regard to either evolutionists or creationist. I do note that "govermental" censorship of anything that smacks of Christian thinking, in "governentally stolen" institutions of education, has left secularist ample opportunity to make open secular presumtions and speculation appear "scientific," without any counter balance of any sort that is considered "legal." There is nothing wrong with Creationist speculation and presumption. It is the stuff investigation is founded on.

I have to disagree. Creationists start with a conclusion, and go out and look for evidence to support it. They do not reject their hypotheses if they find evidence contrary to their predictions. Scientists do. Creation science is a sham...

 

[LittleNipper]

I have to disagree. Creationists start with a conclusion, and go out and look for evidence to support it. They do not reject their hypotheses if they find evidence contrary to their predictions. Scientists do. Creation science is a sham...

Evolutionists start with a conclusion. That conclusion is that there are only natural proccesses ---- miracles never happen. They never waver from that premise. Creationist believe that GOD is not bound by nature and they do not waver from that premise. Each has its own unalterable premise and the simple fact is that they ARE contrary to each other. Get over it and quit making excuses for evolutionists while throwing mud at creationists. Once that happens, more time will be spent on research and less on arguing.

 

[Skaloop]

Evolutionists start with a conclusion. That conclusion is that there are only natural proccesses ---- miracles never happen.

That's an assumption, not a conclusion.

 

[LittleNipper]

That's an assumption, not a conclusion.

I didn't wish to say that evolutionists, if they do not believe in GOD, certainly make no room for GOD in their research. They have concluded this with an "naturalistic agenda" started by social/nominal christians at some point in an age long past and have clung to it religiously ever since.

 

[Allegory]

It would seem that all life descended from a common ancestor through billions of years of competition and change, therefore miracles don't happen.

EVILUTIONISTS: DO YOU DENY THAT THIS IS WHAT DARWIN WROTE IN "ON THE ORIGIN OF SPECIES"?

 

[Markus6]

Evolutionists start with a conclusion. That conclusion is that there are only natural proccesses ---- miracles never happen. They never waver from that premise. Creationist believe that GOD is not bound by nature and they do not waver from that premise. Each has its own unalterable premise and the simple fact is that they ARE contrary to each other. Get over it and quit making excuses for evolutionists while throwing mud at creationists. Once that happens, more time will be spent on research and less on arguing.

Evolutionist who believes in miracles here . I await the retraction of your falsified statement with bated breath.

 

[Loudmouth]

Evolutionists start with a conclusion. That conclusion is that there are only natural proccesses ---- miracles never happen.

Not so at all. Scientists look for natural processes. If there were none then they wouldn't find them. If our physical reality was not the product of natural causes then science wouldn't work.

In the case of producing biodiversity scientists DID find a natural process, one that doesn't require miralces. Unlike creation scientists, real scientists get off their laurels and actually do research.

They never waver from that premise.

They never waver from the pursuit of finding natural processes. The problem for you is that they keep finding natural processes that conflict with your religious dogma.

Get over it and quit making excuses for evolutionists while throwing mud at creationists. Once that happens, more time will be spent on research and less on arguing.

Let me get this straight. Creation scientists are not doing research because big bad meany atheists are calling them names? Really?

 

[Loudmouth]

It would seem that all life descended from a common ancestor through billions of years of competition and change, therefore miracles don't happen.

EVILUTIONISTS: DO YOU DENY THAT THIS IS WHAT DARWIN WROTE IN "ON THE ORIGIN OF SPECIES"?

The age of the earth was not known until well after Darwin wrote Origins, and Darwin was just fine with all life not sharing a common ancestor.

"There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed into a few forms or into one; and that, whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being, evolved."--Charles Darwin, the last sentence from "On the Origin of Species", bolding mine.

 

[ReverendDG]

Evolutionists start with a conclusion. That conclusion is that there are only natural proccesses ---- miracles never happen.

miracles defy reality, science is based on reality, so science can't support the idea of miracles

They never waver from that premise. Creationist believe that GOD is not bound by nature and they do not waver from that premise.

and thats why creationism is not science, if god can do anything, then you can't falsify it, you can't measure god either so god has no baring on science

Each has its own unalterable premise and the simple fact is that they ARE contrary to each other. Get over it and quit making excuses for evolutionists while throwing mud at creationists. Once that happens, more time will be spent on research and less on arguing.

why shouldn't we argue against creationism? its wrong, its unsupported by any evidence, and it ignores real evidence to even work
time should be spent on research with the arguments, funny that there is nothing you can apply creation on, nothing comes from the creationist idea

what would you say? "god did it.." thats it nothing else really

 

[EnemyPartyII]

I see no actual lies with regard to either evolutionists or creationist. I do note that "govermental" censorship of anything that smacks of Christian thinking, in "governentally stolen" institutions of education, has left secularist ample opportunity to make open secular presumtions and speculation appear "scientific," without any counter balance of any sort that is considered "legal." There is nothing wrong with Creationist speculation and presumption. It is the stuff investigation is founded on.

Creationists are either lying, or havce been critically and chronically lied too, when they make statements like "There are no transitional fossils".

This is a lie. You either lie knowingly when you say it, or you are inadvertantly repeating a lie by parroting it. Anyway you look at it, such "Lies for Jesus" are common and have nothing to do with "government censorship"

 

[AV1611VET]

Creationists are either lying, or havce been critically and chronically lied too, when they make statements like "There are no transitional fossils".

This is a lie. You either lie knowingly when you say it, or you are inadvertantly repeating a lie by parroting it. Anyway you look at it, such "Lies for Jesus" are common and have nothing to do with "government censorship"

Then why didn't you "scientists" produce them in the first place? I have a feeling there are none either; just what you guys think there are.

 

[SiderealExalt]

Scientists have found quite a few transitional fossils actually. What does not exist however ,is some sort of perfect A to Z of transitional fossils. Nor do scientists expect to find such a thing. Most animal corpses don't exactly die in a manner or area that is conducive to fossilization. Creationists often either A. Don't realize this. B. Do realize this and try to play it off as somehow "disproving" evolutionary theory. or C. Know and deliberately lie about it.

 

[AV1611VET]

Scientists have found quite a few transitional fossils actually. What does not exist however ,is some sort of perfect A to Z of transitional fossils. Nor do scientists expect to find such a thing. Most animal corpses don't exactly die in a manner or area that is conducive to fossilization. Creationists often either A. Don't realize this. B. Do realize this and try to play it off as somehow "disproving" evolutionary theory. or C. Know and deliberately lie about it.

Well, to me it's all mumbo-jumbo. This evolution junk violates Genesis on so many levels.

As the song goes: Gimme that old-time religion!

 

[SiderealExalt]

Well, to me it's all mumbo-jumbo. This evolution junk violates Genesis on so many levels.

As the song goes: Gimme that old-time religion!

That's fine. A person is entirely entitled to shutting the proverbial ears of their mind and say, "nyah nyah nyah I don't believe you!." But we should look askance on their vehement desire to take their ideas seriously.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Then why didn't you "scientists" produce them in the first place? I have a feeling there are none either; just what you guys think there are.

Wha...?

They are produced. They are easily accessible. New ones come to light every year. They are well documented and as scientifically valid as you would like.

Therefore, anyone saying they don't exist is either willfully lying, or very unaware of the facts. Either/Or... no third alternative.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Well, to me it's all mumbo-jumbo. This evolution junk violates Genesis on so many levels.

As the song goes: Gimme that old-time religion!

The same old time religion that treats snake bites with brass sticks and stones rape victims?

Pass.

 

[AV1611VET]

The same old time religion that treats snake bites with brass sticks...

[bible]John 3:14[/bible]

 

[Jadis40]

[bible]John 3:14[/bible]

I think it's funny that she should brush off the snake on a pole, when that's the exact symbol used on Emergency Medical Services vehicles here in the US: