How do abortion supporters respond to this? I don't think there is a way to.

[GodLovesCats]

Or else what? You're going to continue to support the legalized murder of non-rape unborn babies? People are finally waking up to these shallow arguments.

As an adoptive parent, I wholeheartedly believe the Christian community will rise to the needs of people. Historically, it always has. Right now the unborn need life, and more and more are rising to protect them. But, the idea some are going stand before God and say, "I had to kill this baby to save it from foster care!" Good luck with that. God knows Abortion is the ultimate abandonment.

I said absolutely nothing in the post you quoted about babies being better dead than in foster homes.

 

[Calminian]

Yes. It is wrong and immoral to kill a child. However, your laws protect your freedoms of choice. It is reality. You cannot change your law without changing the freedom of choice law.

God actually tells us the purpose of national laws. Their primary purpose is to protect the innocent and punish the guilty. By extension, they protect freedoms to everyone. They protect pregnant mothers from being murdered and should also protect unborn babies from being murdered. Common sense really.

Rom. 13:3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same. 4 For he is God’s minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil.​

You can't be pro choice and claim to be pro freedom, when obviously it's a choice to kill someone.

 

[Calminian]

I said absolutely nothing in the post you quoted about babies being better dead than in foster homes.

You did actually. Very implicit. You can't make abortion illegal unless you do this and that, etc.

And your support for legalized abortion is well known.

 

[GodLovesCats]

You did actually. Very implicit. You can't make abortion illegal unless you do this and that, etc.

And your support for legalized abortion is well known.

I was saying I, ChristianForCats, cannot personally fight abortion just because I care about it. What don't you get about that?

 

[Calminian]

I was saying I, ChristianForCats, cannot personally fight abortion just because I care about it. What don't you get about that?

A very bizarre statement. I rarely get where you're coming from. I would love for you to see support life in a real meaningful way.

 

[GodLovesCats]

A very bizarre statement. I rarely get where you're coming from. I would love for you to see support life in a real meaningful way.

So you are saying just because I think the mother is important I don't support life in a meaningful way? A vast majority of pro-life Christians seem to think they don't have to support the mother's life.

 

[Hank77]

That is crazy. One person doing it one time does not make a rule that any pregnant woman can fly at any time during her pregnancy.When I lived inb Ohio, a supervisor's wife was not allowed to fly back home at the end of an Ecuador trip because down here she had a problem that led to a pregnancy diagnosis. Also, some pregnant women are put on bed rest during the third trimester. That happened to someone I know. So no, it is not always OK for a pregnant womsn to fly.

I was saying that there isn't any rule/law stopping her from flying, it's her choice.

 

[SPF]

A vast majority of pro-life Christians seem to think they don't have to support the mother's life.

Can you actually demonstrate this statement as true with some supporting evidence?

And before you answer, think back to the OP in which the lady clearly explained how dealing with abortion is good in and of itself. And just because people put their effort into ending abortion does not therefore mean that they don't care about the mother. So please, can you actually support your assertion?

“Yet, are you upset that the American Diabetes Association doesn’t fight cancer?” asked Hawkins. “Are you upset that the American Diabetes Association doesn’t fight cancer?”

“No,” the feminist conceded.

“Why?” pressed Hawkins.

“Because they are the diabetes foundation,” the woman responded, seemingly aware she was begrudgingly wrapping a bow on Hawkins’ point.

“Exactly!” exclaimed Hawkins. “I am anti-abortion.”

Hawkins noted that real issues, like homelessness and foster care, need their own discussions and policy prescriptions. “But my organization, my mission, is very limited: it’s to abolish abortion; to make abortion illegal and unthinkable, because abortion is the greatest human rights tragedy our world faces. There’s no other act of violence that kills more people every single day in America and across the world than abortion.”

“There is nothing wrong with me fighting and spending 100% of my time doing it,” the pro-lifer continued. “Just like how there’s nothing wrong with the American Diabetes Association putting 100% of their money, their research, and time behind curing juvenile diabetes.”

"No one ever accuses the Diabetes Association or the American Cancer association of not trying to cure every life-ending disease,” she highlighted.

 

[Calminian]

So you are saying just because I think the mother is important I don't support life in a meaningful way?

No. Never said that. But you know that.

A vast majority of pro-life Christians seem to think they don't have to support the mother's life.

That's a slanderous statement you can't backup. Very hateful thing to say. You should apologize.

 

[Calminian]

Can you actually demonstrate this statement as true with some supporting evidence?...

Exactly. She can't and she won't and she'll keep saying it.

Very sad what the pro-abortion attitude does to people, even professing Christians.

 

[GodLovesCats]

I was saying that there isn't any rule/law stopping her from flying, it's her choice.

And I was saying women do not always have a choice.

 

[GodLovesCats]

No. Never said that. But you know that.

That's a slanderous statement you can't backup. Very hateful thing to say. You should apologize.

I am truly sorry.

 

[GodLovesCats]

Hawkins noted that real issues, like homelessness and foster care, need their own discussions and policy prescriptions. “But my organization, my mission, is very limited: it’s to abolish abortion; to make abortion illegal and unthinkable, because abortion is the greatest human rights tragedy our world faces. There’s no other act of violence that kills more people every single day in America and across the world than abortion.”

When I heard this I thought about how foster care is directly tied to abolishing abortion because pro-lifers say, "The mother can just give her baby up for adoption," every time they argue about rape victims. That means her organization needs to include homelessness and foster care in its mission. What does Hawkins plan to do if she wants to let other organizations tackle adopting out the babies who were not aborted?

 

[SPF]

When I heard this I thought about how foster care is directly tied to abolishing abortion because pro-lifers say, "The mother can just give her baby up for adoption," every time they argue about rape victims. That means her organization needs to include homelessness and foster care in its mission. What does Hawkins plan to do if she wants to let other organizations tackle adopting out the babies who were not aborted?

Can you show me where Hawkins said the sentence you put in quotations?

And again, you're still missing it. Abortion is immoral regardless of whether or not there are good systems in place to care for the mother and child. As she said, the answer to suffering is NOT to kill the sufferer.

And once again, you're ignoring all the other topics which I know you followed where we talked about foster care and how there are MORE than enough families out there wanting to adopt newborns. As a foster parent, I know this to be true

 

[GodLovesCats]

Can you show me where Hawkins said the sentence you put in quotations?

And again, you're still missing it. Abortion is immoral regardless of whether or not there are good systems in place to care for the mother and child. As she said, the answer to suffering is NOT to kill the sufferer.

And once again, you're ignoring all the other topics which I know you followed where we talked about foster care and how there are MORE than enough families out there wanting to adopt newborns. As a foster parent, I know this to be true

I did not claim Hawkins herself said that. You and many other pro-lifers on this forum say a variation of it in multiple threads. I was just pointing out the fact that Hawkins needs to take a multfaceted approach to abolish abortion, not just hope other organizations help kids whose biological parents did not want.

 

[SPF]

I did not claim Hawkins herself said that. You and many other pro-lifers on this forum say a variation of it in multiple threads. I was just pointing out the fact that Hawkins needs to take a multfaceted approach to abolish abortion, not just hope other organizations help kids whose biological parents did not want.

No, she doesn't. That's a separate issue, and there are a whole slew of opinions on how much or how little the government should be involved, how much or how little private organizations should be involved. How much or how little should my taxes go up to pay for care for the mother and child. Those are good questions, important questions, but they are a different discussion.

And again, you didn't acknowledge the reality that there are MORE than enough parents looking to adopt newborns in our country where it's not really a problem.

 

[GodLovesCats]

No, she doesn't. That's a separate issue, and there are a whole slew of opinions on how much or how little the government should be involved, how much or how little private organizations should be involved. How much or how little should my taxes go up to pay for care for the mother and child. Those are good questions, important questions, but they are a different discussion.

And again, you didn't acknowledge the reality that there are MORE than enough parents looking to adopt newborns in our country where it's not really a problem.

Well yes, foster care is separate because there are so many reasons kids don't have parental custody, but they overlap. How do people find you and your wife when they look for people to foster children? How will couples interested in adopting children know where to find babies?

 

[SPF]

I did not claim Hawkins herself said that. You and many other pro-lifers on this forum say a variation of it in multiple threads. I was just pointing out the fact that Hawkins needs to take a multfaceted approach to abolish abortion, not just hope other organizations help kids whose biological parents did not want.

You should seriously go back to the first page and watch the video again. You quite literally are taking the role of the woman who is doing the questioning, and the video directly addresses the red herring you keep bringing up.

 

[dms1972]

The American Diabetes Association probably does care about pancreatic cancer even though they can't do anything about it. Similarly, the American Cancer Society, as she pointed out, can't tackle diabetes. There is no point in arguing I should do something just because I care about an issue after listening to Hawkins.

Yet you say the lady in the clip better be opening Adoption centres? Why then does her caring about an issue and speaking on it, entail that she must in your opinion do something practical besides? If its ok for you to care and post on an issue here and leave it at that, and that no doubt describes many on the forums, its just debate to them, they are armchair warriors, they feel no responsibility beyond that. What do you think - do arguments by those who are actively involved in alleviating suffering carry more weight?

 

[GodLovesCats]

Hawkins accused pro-choice people of trying to avoid the topic by complaining about the issues like foster care. homelessness, and hunger which would be avoided if fetuses are not born. I am not so sure you can make such a statement about everyone who worries about the risk a mother and baby will suffer because the feminist specifically asked why a mother should go to term knowing her baby will suffer in life.

Are you the one who does not "get it" when I say problems that lead to women wanting abortions need to be tackled to drastically reduce abortions to a minimum, as opposied to just outlawing abortion and doing nothing to help expecting mothers?