How do abortion supporters respond to this? I don't think there is a way to.

[TuxAme]

Here's two good bible verses about judging others according to the old law

Luke 6:37-42 and Romans 2:1-3

Who's judging?

 

[Mel333]

Anyone who judges another as doing the wrong thing because you/we do the wrong things too according to the old law if you judge by it.

 

[TuxAme]

Anyone who judges another as doing the wrong thing because you/we do the wrong things too according to the old law if you judge by it.

So it's wrong for us to correct others and tell them that their behavior/beliefs are wrong?

What does Matthew 18:15 say?

 

[GodLovesCats]

You could've fooled me. You say that you to want to reduce abortion, but you also seem pretty set on trying to justify it at every turn.

Why do you want to "reduce" abortion, anyways?

I am a realist. There is no way abortion can be completely eliminated. Even if RvW is overturned, people near the northern border or in eastern Alaska could drive to Canada to get abortons. Up to a certain week (I don't know when) pregnant women are still allowed to fly. And this would be a long shot based on CNN reports.

 

[Mel333]

Well, I think what you said is good in that we need the old law to know what the 'right' thing to do is, but to not judge others by it.

We walk in love, the new law of grace.

and yes, correct others but with gentleness and kindness (hence the 'reduce abortion as much as possible by gently letting people know it's not moral due to murder and supporting them in service) but we are also called to love them where they are at. That might even mean accepting them in sin but correcting them.

Tough one! Will think about it more.

 

[TuxAme]

I am a realiszt. There is no way abortion can be completely eliminated. Even if RvW is overturned, people near the northern border or in eastern Alaska could drive to Canada to get abortons. Up to a certain week (I don't know when) pregnant women are still allowed to fly. And this would be a long shot based on CNN reports.

You're avoiding my question (and simultaneously proving my point). You don't seem too terribly interested in debating the issue at hand (or explaining why you claim to be against abortion yourself).

 

[GodLovesCats]

You're avoiding my question (and simultaneously proving my point). You don't seem too terribly interested in debating the issue at hand (or explaining why you claim to be against abortion yourself).

You just did not like my answer. I don't like unnecessary abortions but the states are working backwards. Simply outlawing abortions will get us nowhere if we don't help mothers expecting unwanted babies.

 

[Sparagmos]

Forever now I have pretty much avoided this section because no one is really here to have their mind changed per say. However I finally found a video I love and want to know what pro-choice people think:

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=451789505647679

For those who just want a text version essentially:

I think this is a straw man, albeit an understandable misunderstanding. We don’t believe abortion is murder. We don’t believe a fetus and a baby are the same thing. So, to us, it’s not murder or genocide.

 

[Mel333]

Oh and if we are going to label it, I'm pro-choice for this debate as God is pro-choice for us to choose to do the right thing in life and that's not to murder.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

It is a debate between two women about killing an embryo or fetus to avoid causing the kid to suffer after birth as an unwanted baby.

Oh. The typical "mercy killing" argument so people can feel better about killing an unwanted baby? I guess it is as humane as putting down a lame horse...right?

 

[Mel333]

We could debate that 'mercy killing' an unwanted baby is no comparison to putting down a lame horse as one is not the same as the other.

Or we could debate that 'mercy killing' could indeed be an act of love in relieving one's suffering as this is what God did for us through his son's death.

 

[Mel333]

We also could debate that anyone from America who isn't pro-choice is against some of their laws.

That is, 'freedom of choice is a fundamental right' act and thus are against your law. That is, if we were judging one according to the law for the debate.

Which brings me back to the point of debating about morality according to the law.
Everyone falls short. Technically you've all committed a crime if we judge by the law.

Do you really want a dictatorship? Do you want legalism? No, you want love. You yourselves are judged by love if you are a Christian, not by the moral law.

 

[GodLovesCats]

Oh. The typical "mercy killing" argument so people can feel better about killing an unwanted baby? I guess it is as humane as putting down a lame horse...right?

I am not sure if "typical" is the right word. Maybe many pregnant women are doing it as a "mercy killing." But there also are many women who only care about their own bodies not having occupied wombs. That's not merciful; they appear selfish to outsiders who don't understand their situations. (Without knowing the mother, I will not judge her.)

A lame horse can get treatment for a while, then be put down if all else fails. That has happened before. Obviously you can't do this with a fetus because a different human being gets treatment, not the little kid inside her.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

We also could debate that anyone from America who isn't pro-choice is against their constitution.

Perhaps... if the constitution actually gave people a right to have an abortion. Which it does not.

 

[Mel333]

"Perhaps... if the constitution actually gave people a right to have an abortion. Which it does not."


The 'freedom of choice is a fundamental right' in your legislation. That means people have a choice to have an abortion and therefore legally have a right to have an abortion (although morally wrong).

 

[Mel333]

Roe v. Wade - Wikipedia

This is an interesting case.

 

[Danielwright2311]

I know,

If my wife, and I have no wife, I am divorced. But if i was not, and my wife was pregnant with my child.

And one day some one came up to her and kicked her and made her abort my child due to there actions.
There is nothing I would not do to that person in that frame of mind, I would go crazy and that other person would end up dead.

Something most people do not know.

In new York, people are killing there baby's at 8 months.

 

[visionary]

Would it make more sense if the abortion clinic offered payment for body parts, that they are receiving for selling the parts? Would that make it more palatable?

 

[Mel333]

Abortions will never make sense and cannot be morally justified.

 

[Danielwright2311]

Abortions will never make sense and cannot be morally justified.

However, the person who is having the abortion has a right to terminate the pregnancy with the current laws, even though it is morally wrong.

Again, there is no way to end abortion unless you take away the freedom part in the constitution. It is up to the woman to do the right thing and keep her baby.

You are absolutely correct, but, we do not have the freedom to kill each other, and we do not have the freedom to Steal from each other, we don't have the freedom to beat each other up.

There are laws so low and stupid, but there still laws, but for some strange reason we have the freedom to murder our own children? the only stipulation is the baby still has to be in the womb.

This is the law we all fight.