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How did apes evolvle into humans?

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Finally, someone is addressing my question. The only problem is that mutation cannot produce genes that are not already present in the cell. And that is where the theory that evolution happens through mutation goes awry. Mutation can only happen to genes that are already present in the cell. Otherwise, scientists would simply let cancer cells mutate into healthy cells. And that is why a dog cannot produce a bull because the genes of a bull are not present in the DNA of a dog. This is basic reproduction. Mutatiojn is an aberration that reduces the quality of the cell instead of the spontaneous appearance of new genes in the cell. If that happened, then my husband & I are just as likely to produce an offspring that is as different from us as a homonid is from its parents. But we can't and neither can any other human being.

All animals can produce is offspring from the genes already present in their DNA. And that's why it's called reproduction. Reproduction is species reproducing themselves, not producing offspring that eventually becomes another species as evolutionists claim. Again, that has never been observed to happen to any species in recorded history.
 
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Two points:

1) Mutations can add nucleotides, thus adding to the total size of an organism's genome by definition.

2) Genes can be duplicated and diverge. That means whole new genes can form. And this pattern of formation of new genes leads to "gene" families, which is an area that's heavily studied in comparative genomics.

We have examples of both of the above happening within research, so your basic point is wrong here. And it's important to understand why it's wrong.


Repeat after me - mutations ARE (largely) due to copying errors during replication. But they are just "changes to DNA." That change can involve "new nucleotides," which are the building blocks of DNA. Similarly, gene duplication can account for large amounts of genetic material appearing in a genome from one generation to the next.


Again, replicative errors during the process of reproduction can lead towards an increase in total amount of genetic material from one generation to the next. This isn't blind conjecture, we've seen it happen.
 
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JimmyKoKoPop said:
More and more, I'm failing to see the point of arguing how evolution works to Carico... Can any of you explain why you still try?

You apparently believe that a primate "just turned into a human being" without explaining how. Sorry, kokopop, but offspring don't "just appear." They come from the DNA of their parents. And until you understand basic reproduction, neither will you be able to uderstand deeper matters.
 
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Heidi is on the loose. I'm taking cover.

(An obsession with sperm and ova is not healthy, Heidi.)

Just out of curiosity, is what I wrote cogent/clear? I ask because I'm hoping people can follow what I'm trying to convey, while bearing in mind that I'm not remotely an expert on the subject.
 
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Evolution does happen on the level of a whole population, though. Since there's gene flow (genetic material getting passed all around), what happens to the population obviously applies to the individual members of that population.

So as the overall gene pool changes over time, so do individuals reflect this change. This is critical step #1 in understanding what's being proposed for evolution (even if you steadfastly disagree with its reality).
 
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mikeynov said:
Just out of curiosity, is what I wrote cogent/clear? I ask because I'm hoping people can follow what I'm trying to convey, while bearing in mind that I'm not remotely an expert on the subject.
It's not you, Mike.

Carico is Heidi from another Christian site. It's impossible to describe her posts without sounding offensive, which isn't my intent.

I've read numerous posts of hers, and not a single one expressed an original thought. It's the same ol' same ol'; ape giving birth to a human, great dane giving birth to a chihuahua, procreation this, procreation that...

Her errors have been explained by probably dozens of people, hundreds of times. You can type until your fingers are raw; you won't make any headway.
 
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Well, I meant in general, though. The issue of individuals vs. populations and such comes up so much that I'm actually saving what I'm writing, will probably refine it, and will use it as a stock answer in the future. So I wanted feedback in terms of the readability of what I wrote, and if I made any errors.
 
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So then why hasn't any species produced offspring as different from themselves as a homonid is from its parents in recorded history? And why haven't human beings produced offspring as different from themselves as a homid is from its parents? But we haven't. Again, humans keep producing humans and each animal reproduces itself which is why it's called reproduction.

So the theory of evolution completely contradicts the reproductive process and actually claims that we can produce different species. And that is how they claim that humans came from primates which is absolutely absurd. And all of this just to say there is no God. But the way animals & humans reproduce conforms perfectly to biblical accounts of creation and reproduction. "Be fruitful and increase in number" which is exactly what's happened.

Humans are no more superior today than they have been since recorded history. In fact, we're alot dumber. If there was a huge power outage, people wouldn't even begin to know how to survive. Without calculators, most present-day mathemeticianswould barely know how to do multiplication tables in their heads and most people wouldn't even know how to milk a cow. Yet thousands of years ago, people relied on their own abilities instead of relying on machines. We are also closer to annihilating ourselves than ever before and there is more famine, disease, STD's, greed, lust & pride than ever before in history. So no, we are not evolving. Reality shows that we are, as many scientists say, in a state of decay.
 
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he only problem is that mutation cannot produce genes that are not already present in the cell.
Yes it can, it happens when strands of DNA are duplicated twice or when viral insertions happen in the genome. Happens all the time.
 
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New ifferent species have evolved from existing species. It has been observed and recorded. I have posted this link for you before, but you have ignored it.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-speciation.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/speciation.html
 
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Carico, do you believe all languages were specially created or did they evolve from a set of stock languages?

Remember, she does not even believe that different dog breeds could have come into existance . SHe is the one who claimed that "great danes do not give birth to chihuahuas".
 
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