How did Adam and Eve know?

[Natro]

How did Adam and Eve know that the doing what the serpent said was evil if they had not yet known good and evil(the ability granted by eating the fruit)?
Its like damning a man for walking on the grass if he had no knowledge he where forbiden to do so.

 

[Reverend DSD]

That is the thing though, in the bible it does say that god told them that they couldn't eat off that tree. They could do pretty much whatever they wanted otherwise, but that tree was forbidden. I am not Christian but if my elementary bible story memories serve me right, they did know it was forbidden and the serpent tempted them to do so.

Sincerely,
Rev. DSD

 

[Natro]

But wasn't the tree the tree of knowledge of Good and Evil? Since befor they knew good and evil they where tempted. Its like a mother telling a child not to eat the cookies but then the father comes in and says hey eat that cookie. If God didn't want them to do it why put the tree there in the first place? He must have wanted evil to enter the world because he knows all and sees all. He knew for a fact that they would eat from the tree befor they did it, but he did nothing to prevent it. The old question comes to mind. If you hand a man a gun and point him to the one you want him to kill and he does it are you in a way responsible?

 

[shprdslamb7]

I might be "casting pearls before swine" here...but a friend of mine told me what she believes on this subject and I tend to agree with her.

Basically, God knew that Adam and Eve were going to disobey...it didn't matter what He would have told them to or not to do. So, the tree was the best possible situation to deal with their disobedience.

I don't know if I am making it clear, but, that's it in a nutshell.

Oh, and father does not equal Satan, so I can't see how your analogy fits. Satan does not have your best interest at heart, only his...no matter what he's done told you.

 

[panterapat]

The knowledge of Good and Evil is not to know what is good or evil; it is the ability to DETERMINE what is Good and Evil. Thus they attempted to be like God-PRIDE.

 

[Serapha]

That is the thing though, in the bible it does say that god told them that they couldn't eat off that tree. They could do pretty much whatever they wanted otherwise, but that tree was forbidden. I am not Christian but if my elementary bible story memories serve me right, they did know it was forbidden and the serpent tempted them to do so.

Sincerely,
Rev. DSD

Hi there!





If you have no profession of faith as a Christian, then why are you being permitted to post in an area where only Christians may reply?



~malaka~

 

[Serapha]

How did Adam and Eve know that the doing what the serpent said was evil if they had not yet known good and evil(the ability granted by eating the fruit)?
Its like damning a man for walking on the grass if he had no knowledge he where forbiden to do so.

Hi there!





God walked and talked with Adam in the cool of the day. Those were times of communication between God and man.

Eve told the serpent, "We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die"


Even touching the fruit would have brought the same result... death or separation from God. So, it needs to be understood that the sin was disobedience to God's instruction and not "eating" the fruit itself.


~malaka~

 

[DaQo'tah]

Malaka...

God never told Adan to not touch the frut....indeed if Adam was placed into the garden to "tend" it as the Bible teaches, then it was Adam's intended job to watchover this tree, and to tend it, and this means he must have had the ability to touch the tree in the normal tending of a gardener... and becides God never told him he could not tend this tree,,,He only told Adam not to eat of it,,,,,when Eve spoke to satan, she made a mistake,,,an uncorrected by Satan and Adam , type of mistake....

The story of Adam and Eve and the Fall has many layers...

Why was the snake in there?
Why did the snake only talk to eve?
Why did Adam say nothing to help his wife?
Why did Eve make a mistake when she quoted the Law about the tree?
Why did Adam not correct his wife about her mistake about the Law?
why did Satan not point out the error about the Law that Eve made?

Why did Eve eat first?
Why did Adam not take the blame for eating?
Why didn't Adam give his wife a real name until after they were tossed out of the garden?

I believe that my questions point to a slightly different understanding than many of us have thought about before...there almost seems to be an un-spoken working on the same plane between Adam and Satan,,,to get Eve to take the fall....

 

[Anthony]

GE 3:2-3
The woman said to the serpent, "We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, but God did say, "You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die."

 

[DaQo'tah]

Yes,,,thats my point,,,,Eve says something that is not true...

Eve's husband who is there "with her" does not correct her mistake

satan who is there talking to her also does not correct her mistake...

Adam and likely Satan , knew that Eve had said something that was not what God had said to Adam at all..

This points us to some type of odd "understanding" between Adam and Satan not to correct eve....

 

[Serapha]

Malaka...

God never told Adan to not touch the frut....,,,He only told Adam not to eat of it,,,,,when Eve spoke to satan, she made a mistake,,,an uncorrected by Satan and Adam , type of mistake....

Hi there!



These are not my words, but those from the Bible...


Eve told the serpent, "We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die"


If you chose not to believe the words of the Bible... that is your choice.


~malaka~

 

[Serapha]

Malaka...

God never told Adan to not touch the frut....indeed if Adam was placed into the garden to "tend" it as the Bible teaches, then it was Adam's intended job to watchover this tree, and to tend it, and this means he must have had the ability to touch the tree in the normal tending of a gardener... and becides God never told him he could not tend this tree,,,He only told Adam not to eat of it,,,,,when Eve spoke to satan, she made a mistake,,,an uncorrected by Satan and Adam , type of mistake....

The story of Adam and Eve and the Fall has many layers...

Why was the snake in there?
Why did the snake only talk to eve?
Why did Adam say nothing to help his wife?
Why did Eve make a mistake when she quoted the Law about the tree?
Why did Adam not correct his wife about her mistake about the Law?
why did Satan not point out the error about the Law that Eve made?

Why did Eve eat first?
Why did Adam not take the blame for eating?
Why didn't Adam give his wife a real name until after they were tossed out of the garden?

I believe that my questions point to a slightly different understanding than many of us have thought about before...there almost seems to be an un-spoken working on the same plane between Adam and Satan,,,to get Eve to take the fall....

Hi there!




In re-reading your posting... I find several statements which are not supported by the Bible. Since this is not a debate forum, and since your statements are not supported by the Bible, I would ask you to contact me privately concerning your statements here.


~malaka~

 

[water_ripple]

God never told Adan to not touch the frut....indeed if Adam was placed into the garden to "tend" it as the Bible teaches, then it was Adam's intended job to watchover this tree, and to tend it, and this means he must have had the ability to touch the tree in the normal tending of a gardener... and becides God never told him he could not tend this tree,,,He only told Adam not to eat of it,,,,,when Eve spoke to satan, she made a mistake,,,an uncorrected by Satan and Adam , type of mistake....

The story of Adam and Eve and the Fall has many layers...

Why was the snake in there?
Why did the snake only talk to eve?
Why did Adam say nothing to help his wife?
Why did Eve make a mistake when she quoted the Law about the tree?
Why did Adam not correct his wife about her mistake about the Law?
why did Satan not point out the error about the Law that Eve made?

Why did Eve eat first?
Why did Adam not take the blame for eating?
Why didn't Adam give his wife a real name until after they were tossed out of the garden?

I believe that my questions point to a slightly different understanding than many of us have thought about before...there almost seems to be an un-spoken working on the same plane between Adam and Satan,,,to get Eve to take the fall....

Perhaps Genesis 2-3 will help..
Genesis 2:15-18 And the LORD GOD took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it. (16) And the LORD GOD commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: (17) But, of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eastest thereof thou shalt surely die. (18) And the LORD GOD said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.God makes Adam aware that the fruit of this tree is a no-no. Eve is not even around yet..Adam should know better..God has a plan. He does not learn as He goes..all of this was intended..Adam and Eve are niave to good and evil, but the serpent is aware of the nature of the fruit.. (19) And out of the ground the LORD GOD formed ever beast of the field. and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whtsoever Adam called ever living creature, that was the name thereof. God grants Adam the ability to name the beasts. God of course knew what they would be called, and it is obviously allright with God. It is part of His plan...(21)And the LORD GOD caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; (22) And the rib, which the LORD GOD had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. (23) And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man. (24) Therfore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. (25) And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed. Adam makes his decision about what to call her, and for what purpose a man shall leave his mother and father...Obviously Adam had some knowledge of reproduction because of the beasts created, but at this point in time the only parent of Adam is God. Adam and Eve are naieve, but the decision has been made.

Genesis 3:1-7 NOW the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD GOD had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? (2) And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: (3) But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it lest ye die. (4) And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die. (5) For God doth kow that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. (6) And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. (7) And the eyes of them were both opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves to gether, and made themselves aprons.According to this the serpent tempted the woman with logic. The serpent tells her that no she will not surely die, but become aware of good and evil..like gods (this of course is distorted, and is a lie) She in turn got to thinking about things logically and took a bite as did her husband. Adam knew he was not supposed to eat the fruit either, but his decision had been made as was Eve's. They both fell for it. Not just one. They both suffered punishment...unique unto their nature of sin.

All of this is indicative to God's plan. He knew it would happen all along. Even from the first words of Genesis it is leading up to Christ, and what will happen on judgement day...Adam could've said well the serpent tempted my wife to eat the fruit, and I ate after her. He didn't. Did Adam know God's plan? Obviously not or he would not have been naked or unaware in the first place. Did the serpent know the plan of God? He only thinks he knows, and thinks he can change God's plan...and this dude convinced not only Adam and Eve, but also a third of the angels.

 

[DaQo'tah]

What Eve tells the Snake about what God said,,,,was not true at all,,,for some reason Eve added the 2nd bit about not touching it,,,

Look at what God tells Adam in verse 17.....have I added ?..no....Eve added.

Eve added the "dont touch" part,,,,this is not found in the text at verse 17,,,Adam knew this clearly , Eve did not, as God had not spoken this to Eve at all but to Adam.

Therefore there is a storng case to me made supporting my statement that there is some kind of odd agrement between the Snake and Adam to not correct Eve's mistake...