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My faith in Barney allows me to follow Barney's will.
Speaking from experience, don't expect this to go anywhere further.How could you know he isn't lying to you?
Note: I didn't say "do you know"
"I know he's not lying because he can't lie. The reason I know he can't lie is because he can't lie." This is how logic led me to agnostic atheism.Jesus Christ cannot lie.
Speaking from experience, don't expect this to go anywhere further.
"I know he's not lying because he can't lie. The reason I know he can't lie is because he can't lie." This is how logic led me to agnostic atheism.
How do you make a moral assessment that god is good if you believe your moral compass comes from god? Answer is, you can't.
Saying God is good can be a moral assesment.
An atheist can also say God is good. This would simply be acknowledging that God is a maximally perfect being.
It is necessarily true that God is all good.
Why can't I say God is good and at the same time hold that God is the source of my sense of what is good?
What standard do you use to judge your god's morality?
Or they could just mean the god does more good than bad. When people call other people good, they don't mean that person is the infallible creator of the known universe. No need to change the meaning of the phrase just because a god is involved.
No it isn't. See, assertions are easy. The tough part is giving good reasons to believe them.
You can, it's just entirely circular and therefore meaningless. You're basically saying god is what it is.
In a debate with Dr. Craig, Dr. Pigliucci, a non-theistic naturalist understands that the word "God" is and I quote: "is what we call a perfect anthropomorphic God, that is, a God that does have something to do with the everyday working of the universe, but he is perfect, he doesn't make mistakes, he's always good, he's all over the place..." (Debate Transcript: Massimo Pigliucci-University of Georgia, Athens, Georgia, United States 1998)
KC, you need to understand that "God" capital "G" is what philosophers refer to as the concept of a "maximally great being", i.e a being which possess all compossible perfections. Goodness is one of these perfections.
This is not a religious statement at all. You do not need to be a Christian to make that statement. It is a statement regarding what attributes God must possess. The word "God" simply represents that which we conceive is the greatest being that we can conceive of. One thing that such a being must necessarily possess is Goodness. This being must be All-Good, All-Powerful, etc. etc.
It is not a religious statement. Dr. Pigliucci understands this. He is a non-theist, not a theist.
I do not respond to videos.
If you have something you wish to say, then say it.
In fact, if you have an aversion to saying "God" (why you would I have no idea) you can refer it as "123" or "gslgk" if you like, the name is immaterial to the fact that whatever is the greatest being we can conceive of is the greatest being we can conceive of. Most people refer this greatest conceivable being as "God". This being must exist necessarily and not contingently, for that which exists necessarily is self-evidently, qualitatively greater than that which depends on something else for its existence. This being must be omnipotent, I.e. capable of bringing about any logically possible state of affairs. All-good, because it is self-evidently, qualitatively greater to be all-good than not all-good, or good only sometimes or wicked. etc. etc.
The basic premise of the video: "If God is perfectly good, then he is incapable of doing evil. But if he is incapable of doing evil, how can you say he is omnipotent?" The two do not cohere together.
How is not having the ability to commit evil and the concept of omnipotence contradictory? Are you familiar with what omnipotence even is in Anselmian Perfect Being Theology?
Not having the power to do something is incompatible with the idea of being all-powerful.
You misunderstand the concept of God's omnipotence then. Research it. I have in fact, stated numerous times that when theologians say God is omnipotent THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT HE CAN DO ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING.
You seem to think that omnipotence is the ONLY attribute God possesses.
What other reason do you have for knowing that God is good because he says so and that this is factual because he can't lie?You were led to agnostic atheism because you constructed strawmen of the Christian worldview, and then attacked them by "logic".
Now why would you do that?
What other reason do you have for knowing that God is good because he says so and that this is factual because he can't lie?
It's a gamble, with no apparent downside.I'm just curious.
I know theists assume their god is good, wrote/directly influenced the bible, talks to you, etc., but how would you know if your god was either evil or a trickster and lying?
It's a gamble, with no apparent downside.
Everything we are urged to do by God is an intrinsically good act, based on any form of morality, whether you believe as I do that it's objective, or as you might think, subjective.
Now, people here have claimed and will claim knowledge of God, as I do, and you will level the charge of potential deception, but to what end? What does this evil trickster have to gain by getting us to be nice to each other?
Answer that, and we can discuss why we believe it's not so.
You're well aware that I'm not Christian and that therefore my answer to most of these questions is no...or more like "I don't know" because an ancient text that claims supernatural happenings isn't exactly what I'd call a reliable source.God as revealed in Jesus Christ....well now, I will let you answer that one for yourself. Was not He the most benevolent soul to ever have trod upon this evil earth? In His teachings are we not taken into the heights of heaven and shown the most sublime, most supremely virtuous ethic ever to have been uttered by man? Was not His life one of ceaseless self-sacrifice, compassion, and love? Was not His life the model for all the men and women who have been born and lived since who we consider to be most virtuous?
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