But you recognize that the word was redefined, by us, so the word fit the concept of god we wanted.
We could have said that omnipotent means really, really big in order to make the wotd apply.
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Geez, I even underlined it and you still missed it . True meaning of omnipotent is the ability to do whatever one sets out to do. This is the biblical understanding of omnipotent.
Excellent!
Excellent. And many agree with you. Many do not.
Many pity those who hold views they believe are nothing more than illusions and wishful thinking.
You pity the nihilist, the nihilist has pity for you.
My point is (with my atheist/relativist hat on) is that you having or not having pity for someone else is based entirely upon your opinion of reality which may be entirely different than someone else's.
Some people like inflicting harm on others and making people suffer. Some people like raising their children by making them toil under hard labor and minimal to no education. Each culture does what it does based on what they value and if I am to speak as a consistent atheist and a consistent relativist I have to affirm that at the end of the day, their way of living is objectively and ultimately no better or worse than the culture that values easing human suffering and pain and good education.
You are absolutely right!! This is why no one can live out their atheism (or be consistent with their worldview). The DO believe life has meaning and what you do while on earth matters! The big question is why???
If we're just molicules in motion and then we die then what difference does it make if you've done good or done lousy?? On the atheist worldview nothing!! I'd like to see one atheist be consistent with his worldview.
now they will tell me atheism isn't a worldview it's simply a belief that God doesn't exist. Nothing more. Nothin less (why they ALL put it like that is beyond me) then we'll have a this n that about why I'm wrong about everything I believe and I will tell them God still loves them and wants them to come to know Him. I pray that actually happens.
Geez, I even underlined it and you still missed it . True meaning of omnipotent is the ability to do whatever one sets out to do. This is the biblical understanding of omnipotent.
depends on who you ask.
If you ask the darwinian evolutionist person who believes that the consumption of doses of battery acid as a part of a balanced diet will eventually lead to the genetic alteration of the human dna structure to give them superhuman strength and survival advantages more pronounced than the consumption of chicken would , then they would say battery acid is better for humanity.
If you ask someone who thinks consumption of battery acid would eventually lead to illness while chicken would not, they would probably see chicken as being the better choice.
now they will tell me atheism isn't a worldview it's simply a belief that God doesn't exist.
That's one of life's mysteries. Figuring out what to do and why, is a uniquely human endeavour that makes life worth living. If your religion gives you purpose, more power to you. My purpose is education, research, and helping my fellow man.You are absolutely right!! This is why no one can live out their atheism (or be consistent with their worldview). The DO believe life has meaning and what you do while on earth matters! The big question is why???
Well, in what way are we inconsistent in our worldview? What is it you'd like us to do? Rape? Murder?If we're just molicules in motion and then we die then what difference does it make if you've done good or done lousy?? On the atheist worldview nothing!! I'd like to see one atheist be consistent with his worldview.
now they will tell me atheism isn't a worldview it's simply a belief that God doesn't exist. Nothing more. Nothin less (why they ALL put it like that is beyond me)
That would be a ludicrous thing to do - clearly no one is going to dispute with your belief that the sky is blue, or your belief that there exists a country called 'France'.then we'll have a this n that about why I'm wrong about everything I believe
Then why sit there and insult us? Hatred is not going to engender a conversion - love is.and I will tell them God still loves them and wants them to come to know Him. I pray that actually happens.
You are absolutely right!! This is why no one can live out their atheism (or be consistent with their worldview). The DO believe life has meaning and what you do while on earth matters! The big question is why???
If we're just molicules in motion and then we die then what difference does it make if you've done good or done lousy?? On the atheist worldview nothing!! I'd like to see one atheist be consistent with his worldview.
now they will tell me atheism isn't a worldview it's simply a belief that God doesn't exist. Nothing more. Nothin less (why they ALL put it like that is beyond me) then we'll have a this n that about why I'm wrong about everything I believe and I will tell them God still loves them and wants them to come to know Him. I pray that actually happens.
Then kindly go away.The whole conversation is ultimately pointless and meaningless...
Those who are discriminated against, or even killed, because others don't understand the distinction.Who cares what atheism is...who cares what theism is...
Correct.We are homo sapiens who have evolved via a blind natural procession of events which just so hapoened to make us like we are.
So let's continue having interesting conversations, enjoying life and bettering our fellow man.Each of us lives to determine what is meaningful and we are our own masters of our lives. We have the desires nature has given us and ultimately when we die we cease to exist.
Some choose to live in a way that they think will help the huma. Race sirvive. Some choose to live according to their hedknistic sexual desires.
Some like to drink water and excercise a lot. Some like to drink alcohol and smoke ....
Some like being marfied and bei g faitjful. Some like going to strip clubs and sexing it up with prostitutes.
Some like chicken some like beef...
So what?
Those who are discriminated against, or even killed, because others don't understand the distinction.
So let's continue having interesting conversations, enjoying life and bettering our fellow man.
I'm sorry you seem to be having an existential episode on losing your faith (and, judging by your spelling, on deciding to drown your sorrows), but could you whine somewhere else, please?
Of course. So long as you accept that there are reasons for why people would care.Those who are dead care for nothing actually.
But I get your drift.
And people like I said have a right to care. Those who don't care about others have that right not to care as well. Speaking as a relativist of course...
Indeed. But it is not a simple opinion that those who refuse to engage in discussion and debate, become mired in intellectual stagnation..Excellent! Many may agree that your opinion is a good one.
Many may say bah to conversing and bah to bettering peoples lives....and maintain that living a selfish self centered life is good.
Both are simply preferences.
Of course. So long as you accept that there are reasons for why people would care.
Indeed. But it is not a simple opinion that those who refuse to engage in discussion and debate, become mired in intellectual stagnation..
If a man likes lying about people and picking apart their beliefs, then I say let him have at it! I can personally disagree and say numerous things about the man, but his opinion, like my own, is just how we see things. He likes chocolate ice cream, I like vanilla.
I can even post a video of his apparent dishonesty and laugh at it with all my atheist relativist friends and mock him and make jokes about the man and point out the fact that he is a hypocrite or he is this or he is that. I can laugh at the fact that he likes chocolate ice cream to while we like vanilla. Its all the same. We just make fun of each other's preferences and marvel at how nature could have caused us all to be so different.
Probably, but not all reasons are equal.With my relativist atheist hat on once again I:
I accept that people may have a thousand or even a million reasons why they care about others.
I accept that people may have a thousand or even a million reasons why they could care less about others.
I accept that people may have a thousand or even a million reasons why they care about having sexual relations only within the confines of a heterosexual marriage.
I accept that people may have a thousand or even a million reasons why they care about having sexual relations with whoever they can regardless of whether or not they are married and regardless of the gender of their partner.
People have reasons they think are good reasons for holding the opinions they do. In fact these reasons can be looked at as opinions themselves.
I accept that people may have a thousand or even a million reasons why they desire to speak out against the evil they think Christians are responsible for.
I accept that people may have a thousand or even a million reasons why they desire to speak out against the evil they think atheists are responsible for.
I accept that some may have a thousand reasons why they think God exists.
I accept that some may have a thousand reasons why they think God dont exist.
I accept that some may have a thousand reasons why they think the whole topic is pointless.
I accept that some may have a thousand reasons why they think the whole topic is supremely important.
Perhaps, but you would not be logical in doing so. If you want a consistent and accurate worldview, you are constrained in what you can believe. As well, not all reasons are equal (see below).I accept that everybody has an opinion, but speaking as a relativist for the moment, I can agree or disagree with whoever I want for whatever reason I want and give my opinion. That is as far as I can go.
No, but you can say your opinion is closer to the truth, to reality 'as is'. You may not be obligated to adhere to the truth, but it exists nonetheless.I cannot say that my opinion is closer to some objective ideal that exists "out there" that we are all obligated to follow.
I agree, and would go one step further: this is true even if you believe in an ultra-orthodox Christian view of morality. Even if there is a God who dictated the morality in our hearts and in the Bible, even if there is a moral law-giver, I don't see why that means we should automatically follow him.As an atheist relativist for the moment, I acknowledge that the universe is a closed system, there is no transcendent moral law giver. There is no "moral law" "out there somewhere" that exists that says we OUGHT to do such and such or that WE SHOULD view this opinion as better than this other opinion.
Maybe. Maybe not. Maybe you adhere to a philosophy of hedonistic entitlement: "I can only experience my own pleasure and pain, so to Hell with everyone else's". Maybe your pleasure comes from helping others.I acknowledge I am the master of my own destiny, the creator of meaning and purpose for my own life and if I am to be consistent, I have to see every other homo sapien the same way with the same privileges I reserve for myself.
You could do that, but you'd be quickly ostrasised by more civilised society (be it the CF community or society at large), which may diminish your enjoyment of life (or maybe not). Alternatively, you could be rational and civil in your discourse, taking pleasure not in mockery but in education and debate.So, speaking as one without God who determines their own meaning in life and allows others to do the same....
If a man likes lying about people and picking apart their beliefs, then I say let him have at it! I can personally disagree and say numerous things about the man, but his opinion, like my own, is just how we see things. He likes chocolate ice cream, I like vanilla.
I can even post a video of his apparent dishonesty and laugh at it with all my atheist relativist friends and mock him and make jokes about the man and point out the fact that he is a hypocrite or he is this or he is that. I can laugh at the fact that he likes chocolate ice cream to while we like vanilla. Its all the same. We just make fun of each other's preferences and marvel at how nature could have caused us all to be so different.
I don't think many would disagree with that sentiment; rather, I think many ignore it. Many would agree that intellectual stagnation is a bad thing, but do nothing to stop it.You may be of the opinion that intellectual stagnation is malevolent. Many disagree and like to lay around eating cheese puffs and watch the Jerry Springer show.
But the crucial distinction is, not all opinions are equal. Logic allows us to distinguish between opinions that are good and bad, useful and useless, accurate and inaccurate, rational and irrational, logical and illogical.You have an opinion, they have one.
Probably, but not all reasons are equal.
Perhaps, but you would not be logical in doing so.
If you want a consistent and accurate worldview, you are constrained in what you can believe. As well, not all reasons are equal (see below).
That said, I'm surprised you say you can agree or disagree with whatever you want for whatever reason you want. I can't do that.
I can't flick a switch in my brain and become a die-hard conservative for the day - my beliefs are rooted in reason, whether I like it or not.
No, but you can say your opinion is closer to the truth, to reality 'as is'. You may not be obligated to adhere to the truth, but it exists nonetheless.
I agree, and would go one step further: this is true even if you believe in an ultra-orthodox Christian view of morality. Even if there is a God who dictated the morality in our hearts and in the Bible, even if there is a moral law-giver, I don't see why that means we should automatically follow him.
Just because God says it's right and just to stone gays, doesn't mean I will.
I've yet to be convinced that "Because God says so" is a valid reason to do or believe anything.
You could do that, but you'd be quickly ostrasised by more civilised society (be it the CF community or society at large), which may diminish your enjoyment of life (or maybe not). Alternatively, you could be rational and civil in your discourse, taking pleasure not in mockery but in education and debate.
It's interesting that, when you wear your Hat of Atheistic Relativism +1, you instantly talk about mocking and belittling the innocent and unassuming theist for their quiet beliefs. Why isn't it just as possible that you would be a civil and sociable person?
But the crucial distinction is, not all opinions are equal.
Logic allows us to distinguish between opinions that are good and bad, useful and useless, accurate and inaccurate, rational and irrational, logical and illogical.
To say that not all reasons are equal is to assume a standard by which to judge them.
But if everyone's desires are their standard, then all reasons are equally the reasons of individual desire.
It is all opinion and preference to the relativist.
Maybe to the hard-core relativist, but since no one on here is a relativist, especially in the sense in which you use the word, then your point is largely moot.
God cannot lie.
I think the question you should be asking is "can a person think that they are talking with God but actually be deceived?"
The answer is yes.
Yes, God lies by proxy; He sends prophets or lying spirits to deceive.
1 KINGS 22 23 Now, therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee. 2Chronicles 18 22 Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets. Jeremiah 4 10 and 20 7 Ah, Lord GOD! surely thou hast greatly deceived this people. O Lord, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived.Ezekiel 14 9 And if a prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet.
For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.
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