how could such a big lie such as god have a huge effect on a soul?

[samsonknight]

i used to love philosopthy. I found it so intresting. Althoough i made up all my own ideas. But the way people acted towards others in war. War was the thing i was most intrested in. How and why poeple did the things they did. Killing people in grusome ways. The thing that i wondered is why do people enjoy it when others scream in pain. Why are humans so blood thirst?what kind of right do they have to kill people? What kind of right dont they have to kill people? Why should other people even care if other people die? who cares since morals come from a mind that also kills? Who cares about morals, everything is a dilusion. If i die why should anyone care. I am a mere 17 years oor so compared to 7 billion ytears it took the time to evolve. really thinking about it, we are pathetic. We are so minute, we are so tiny, what makes us special? What defines you to moral rights? Eventually io thought It is "ok" to kill a person for no reason. I was twisted and weird. I started getting weird thoughts in how i might kill people in certain points of my life, after watching war movies i saw dead people from the movies in my own home. I wanted to imagine them dead, not animals. why not animals? but human beings. I imagined children dead. at first i thought it would make me a stribnger person my views about philosopthy and life. I thought i would come out with morals, but only came out weak and pathetic. A few points i heard voices in my head. i thought i was going insane. i tried so many thoughts and things to think what made morals, i thought psycolgically, mentally, physically, and sometimes i just accepted it. but not once did i think it was god.

and one day i fiunally thought that even though i didnt believe in god. but strangly when i turned towards god all those twisted views and horrible thought suddenly went. What in the name of all names, in the thought of all thoughts, in the theories of all theories, in the thing of all things can such a big lie have such a huge effect on a soul that it can change them overnight? i have never come across such a lie, how can god not be there. How? what kind of twisted thing could make one suddenly feel with love......its like it jsut camme from nowhere.

the best philosopthy i ever know is god. He is the light of lights, the love of loves........

 

[michabo]

i have never come across such a lie, how can god not be there. How? what kind of twisted thing could make one suddenly feel with love......its like it jsut camme from nowhere.

Belief itself is sufficient.

And since when is your personal incredulity an argument for anything beyond the need for you to learn?

 

[Lynden1000]

i used to love philosopthy. I found it so intresting. Althoough i made up all my own ideas. But the way people acted towards others in war. War was the thing i was most intrested in. How and why poeple did the things they did. Killing people in grusome ways. The thing that i wondered is why do people enjoy it when others scream in pain. Why are humans so blood thirst?what kind of right do they have to kill people? What kind of right dont they have to kill people? Why should other people even care if other people die? who cares since morals come from a mind that also kills? Who cares about morals, everything is a dilusion. If i die why should anyone care. I am a mere 17 years oor so compared to 7 billion ytears it took the time to evolve. really thinking about it, we are pathetic. We are so minute, we are so tiny, what makes us special? What defines you to moral rights? Eventually io thought It is "ok" to kill a person for no reason. I was twisted and weird. I started getting weird thoughts in how i might kill people in certain points of my life, after watching war movies i saw dead people from the movies in my own home. I wanted to imagine them dead, not animals. why not animals? but human beings. I imagined children dead. at first i thought it would make me a stribnger person my views about philosopthy and life. I thought i would come out with morals, but only came out weak and pathetic. A few points i heard voices in my head. i thought i was going insane. i tried so many thoughts and things to think what made morals, i thought psycolgically, mentally, physically, and sometimes i just accepted it. but not once did i think it was god.

and one day i fiunally thought that even though i didnt believe in god. but strangly when i turned towards god all those twisted views and horrible thought suddenly went. What in the name of all names, in the thought of all thoughts, in the theories of all theories, in the thing of all things can such a big lie have such a huge effect on a soul that it can change them overnight? i have never come across such a lie, how can god not be there. How? what kind of twisted thing could make one suddenly feel with love......its like it jsut camme from nowhere.

the best philosopthy i ever know is god. He is the light of lights, the love of loves........

Are you willing to admit that when non-Christians claim that belief in their god, or gods, or the goddess fills them with love, that this indicates that their god/goddess/gods exist and are not just lies?

The only options you have would seem to be:

A) their god/gods/goddesses don't exist and a "lie" really is filling them with love

B) their god/gods/goddesses do exist and Christianity is therefore not the sole possessor of truth about god

C) they are being tricked by demons, in which case, once again, a "lie" is filling them with love

 

[samsonknight]

Are you willing to admit that when non-Christians claim that belief in their god, or gods, or the goddess fills them with love, that this indicates that their god/goddess/gods exist and are not just lies?

The only options you have would seem to be:

A) their god/gods/goddesses don't exist and a "lie" really is filling them with love

B) their god/gods/goddesses do exist and Christianity is therefore not the sole possessor of truth about god

C) they are being tricked by demons, in which case, once again, a "lie" is filling them with love

i have never accused them of any of these things. I infact sometimes think that christianity nay not be the only path to god (gods). If there is more than one god i believe there is one god that is infact the creater of the gods and the most powerful.

Infact i would be thrilled if christianity wasnt the solo religion then i wuld defently know that about 4 and a half billion people are going to a better place after death. But if christianity is rthe only truth, then i cant say to god "change the laws around" perhaps i will but i doubt he would do anything (or gods)

However when some people say they are being filled with gods love, what happens if they are leing themselves. One of my friends is a satanist and he thinks slef harming, jumping into a bath of boiling water and worshiping satan is fun. Well he claims to be haveing fun doing so, maybe he is haveing fun but is it the right thing to do? takeing drugs is fun, but is it a good thing to do to your body?

What happens if other religions were lieng about love? If they were infact demon possesed and worshipped a demon and filled with hate but lied and said it was love to make more poeple worship the demon. What hapens if they were born into that fiath and were told thats what llove feels like.

Ive never seen anyone worship in another religion before. I believe its ok to think this, im still worshipping god. But infact i think i might be blind to accuse other religions of worshiping demons. If i nwere to say this is the only path to god, well so do many religions. thats sometimes worrying since i believe there is a god and some religons fight each other. If they are worshippuing the same god, then there killing each other. its rather sad really.......

 

[Eudaimonist]

What [...] can such a big lie have such a huge effect on a soul that it can change them overnight?

Why would a truth be more effective than an untruth in changing someone psychologically?

 

[trinity1234]

a wicked generation seeks a sign....and u have had proof so why are u still denying him?that is the question u need to ask yourself.....many have believed with no proof while others have abundant proof yet still wont accept

 

[Eudaimonist]

many have believed with no proof while others have abundant proof yet still wont accept

Many believe in New Age ideas, Hinduism, Buddhism, etc, sometimes with scant proof and sometimes with what they believe to be great proof. Why shouldn't I believe in their ideas?

 

[h2whoa]

I don't want to sound harsh or lacking in tact, so I'll try to put this as delicately as I can manage.

To me, someone who has never met and therefore can only base their opinion of you on this single post, it sounds like you harbour very deep-rooted emotional/psychological issues. I'm not saying this as a dig, lots of people have different problems and there is no shame in it.

It seems to me that a part of your personality did not like this violent death-obsessed person that you were becoming. To my mind, this struggle of your psyche manifested itself in the acceptance of God. And this is a good outcome IMHO. The more compassionate side of your personality was able to become the dominant side rather than the violent death side. And this compassionate side was personified in some way by a new found belief in God. This served a double purpose 1) it gave this compassionate side of you more identity and 2) the concept of God helping you overcome this darker side to you made the struggle seem less daunting as you were no longer alone.

This is just my opinion of what happened. I'm very pleased for you that you find yourself in a much better state of mind. That may really be because of a God. Or it might not be. It's superfluous to your end result. However, it must be said that it does not present itself as conclusive proof that there is a God.

Be happy.

 

[MrGoodBytes]

War was the thing i was most intrested in. How and why poeple did the things they did. Killing people in grusome ways.

I started getting weird thoughts in how i might kill people in certain points of my life, after watching war movies i saw dead people from the movies in my own home. I wanted to imagine them dead, not animals. why not animals? but human beings. I imagined children dead.

A few points i heard voices in my head. i thought i was going insane.

I would very much like to say something very tactful and delicate now, but I can't.

 

[Soul_Searcher]

Hi Samson,

"What in the name of all names, in the thought of all thoughts, in the theories of all theories, in the thing of all things can such a big lie have such a huge effect on a soul that it can change them overnight? i have never come across such a lie, how can god not be there. How? what kind of twisted thing could make one suddenly feel with love......its like it just came from nowhere."

I am happy for you in your revelation. What made you think this "thing" is the Christian God as opposed to Allah or Vishnu or Brahma or Ra or any number of gods that have been worshipped over the ages?

"the best philosophy i ever know is god. He is the light of lights, the love of loves"

That's wonderful. How have you changed with this new knowledge? What actions have you taken since this revelation?

 

[quatona]

how could such a big lie such as god have a huge effect on a soul?

I tend to think that our beliefs shape our realities. So no big surprise there.
http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?p=22946717#post22946717

i used to love philosopthy. I found it so intresting. Althoough i made up all my own ideas. But the way people acted towards others in war. War was the thing i was most intrested in. How and why poeple did the things they did. Killing people in grusome ways. The thing that i wondered is why do people enjoy it when others scream in pain. Why are humans so blood thirst?what kind of right do they have to kill people? What kind of right dont they have to kill people? Why should other people even care if other people die? who cares since morals come from a mind that also kills? Who cares about morals, everything is a dilusion. If i die why should anyone care. I am a mere 17 years oor so compared to 7 billion ytears it took the time to evolve. really thinking about it, we are pathetic. We are so minute, we are so tiny, what makes us special? What defines you to moral rights? Eventually io thought It is "ok" to kill a person for no reason. I was twisted and weird. I started getting weird thoughts in how i might kill people in certain points of my life, after watching war movies i saw dead people from the movies in my own home. I wanted to imagine them dead, not animals. why not animals? but human beings. I imagined children dead. at first i thought it would make me a stribnger person my views about philosopthy and life. I thought i would come out with morals, but only came out weak and pathetic. A few points i heard voices in my head. i thought i was going insane. i tried so many thoughts and things to think what made morals, i thought psycolgically, mentally, physically, and sometimes i just accepted it. but not once did i think it was god.

and one day i fiunally thought that even though i didnt believe in god. but strangly when i turned towards god all those twisted views and horrible thought suddenly went. What in the name of all names, in the thought of all thoughts, in the theories of all theories, in the thing of all things can such a big lie have such a huge effect on a soul that it can change them overnight? i have never come across such a lie, how can god not be there. How? what kind of twisted thing could make one suddenly feel with love......its like it jsut camme from nowhere.

I am glad to hear you´ve found something that helped you with your problems.

 

[Born_to_Lose_Live_to_Win]

how could such a big lie such as god have a huge effect on a soul?

Your question assumes the existence of a soul.

Or by soul, did you just mean the human psyche?

 

[Gracchus]

how could such a big lie such as god have a huge effect on a soul?

Assuming the existence of souls, lies have driven whole nations to atrocities and many individuals to suicide and murder. There is nothing new or surprising in this. So I have to wonder why the question was asked.

I suspect it was a rather naïve attempt to “prove” the existence of God. But perhaps I am overly suspicious.