How come this nonsense never ends?

[frankieberg1985]

You're right. If you don't enjoy the company of Christians here on earth, you certainly won't enjoy them in heaven either.

The only ones who are going to heaven are those who love God with all their heart, mind and strength, and love others as themselves. So, ask yourself, is that you? No? Then you won't get there.

It matters not one bit how Christians conduct themselves, or whether you think that the Christians you have met have put you off Christianity because you have the perception that they think you are not good enough to show Christian love and grace toward you. They will have to give their own account before God one day.

If Jesus is really true and real, and if He is going to come back one day in the future, then you may find yourself standing before Him to give your own account concerning the way you lived your life. The question is, what will you do if you found that the Christian gospel is really true and you find yourself standing before Christ?

Life has a beginning, a middle and an end. You are not going to live forever. I don't know how old you are, but I am now 71 years old. When I was in my 20s, 30s, or even 40s, I didn't think my 70s would come around so fast! But here I am. I've probably got around 8-9 years left of life if I keep my health; but then I could wake up in eternity tomorrow morning. Who knows?

Life goes pretty fast, and whoopty do! You are reaching the end of it, and all the things in life you once enjoyed have gone. Many of your friends have already died. Your children, if you have any, have grown up, married and have families of their own, and don't have a lot of time for you. Next thing you are in a retirement home living in one small room, waiting to die.

I just wonder if, when you get to be in your 70s, will you have the same view of life you have now? Or will you be wondering where you will be 5 minutes after you die?

That`s the best words I`ve ever heard from a believer perhaps, I know I wish I could live forever myself but you know life, no I wouldn`t probably believe then ether I haven`t seen a single trace of a god anywhere so

 

[Ttalkkugjil]

I haven`t seen a single trace of a god anywhere so

You're here, aren't you?

 

[frankieberg1985]

You're here, aren't you?

So?

 

[frankieberg1985]

You're right. If you don't enjoy the company of Christians here on earth, you certainly won't enjoy them in heaven either.

The only ones who are going to heaven are those who love God with all their heart, mind and strength, and love others as themselves. So, ask yourself, is that you? No? Then you won't get there.

It matters not one bit how Christians conduct themselves, or whether you think that the Christians you have met have put you off Christianity because you have the perception that they think you are not good enough to show Christian love and grace toward you. They will have to give their own account before God one day.

If Jesus is really true and real, and if He is going to come back one day in the future, then you may find yourself standing before Him to give your own account concerning the way you lived your life. The question is, what will you do if you found that the Christian gospel is really true and you find yourself standing before Christ?

Life has a beginning, a middle and an end. You are not going to live forever. I don't know how old you are, but I am now 71 years old. When I was in my 20s, 30s, or even 40s, I didn't think my 70s would come around so fast! But here I am. I've probably got around 8-9 years left of life if I keep my health; but then I could wake up in eternity tomorrow morning. Who knows?

Life goes pretty fast, and whoopty do! You are reaching the end of it, and all the things in life you once enjoyed have gone. Many of your friends have already died. Your children, if you have any, have grown up, married and have families of their own, and don't have a lot of time for you. Next thing you are in a retirement home living in one small room, waiting to die.

I just wonder if, when you get to be in your 70s, will you have the same view of life you have now? Or will you be wondering where you will be 5 minutes after you die?

Atleasts you know I care honestly and see you for the person you are

 

[Ttalkkugjil]

So?

Your existence is part of the evidence.

 

[frankieberg1985]

Your existence is part of the evidence.

I still don`t feel it

 

[Ttalkkugjil]

I still don`t feel it

Does your acceptance of God's reality depend upon your subjective feelings?

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

So?

The point is, whether you have evidence of a God or not, the way to heaven is loving God with all your heart, soul and mind, and loving others as yourself. By your own words, you have no evidence that would convince you that there is a God, so you can't love a God in whom you don't believe exists.

Therefore, if it transpires that there is, after all, a heaven at the end of life, wherever you find yourself in eternity, you won't be going there. That is an undeniable fact.

You can criticize Christians and debate with them until the cows come home, but the fact is that there is nothing for you once you depart this life, so you might as well just eat, work, sleep, and be as happy as you can, because you life will pass like a puff of smoke and you will be gone and probably forgotten.

I have tried to imagine what it would be like just to become nothing when we die. To lose all consciousness. To be a non-entity. No memory of having lived life. What meaning is there in life if we pass through it like a puff of smoke and then be extinguished forever? What a miserable thought. What a miserable existence - waiting for oblivion at the end of our lives!

No wonder Paul the Apostle said, "If we have hope just in this life, we are of all men most miserable!" At the end of life, knowing that all our achievements have gone to dust, lying on a narrow bed in an old folks home just waiting to die, and then nothing...

 

[frankieberg1985]

Does your acceptance of God's reality depend upon your subjective feelings?

No, but I trusts my gut feeling and it says no god anywhere

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Atleasts you know I care honestly and see you for the person you are

No doubt. But I have a hope for the future, and have confidence that there is a future for me after I depart this world. You can have that same hope if you choose, and I sincerely hope that one day you will see how pointless and meaningless life really is without a hope for the future after life ends.

Solomon said in Ecclesiastes, "Remember your Creator in the days of your youth. before the days of trouble come and the years approach when you will say, "I find no pleasure in them"--

Because I did remember my Creator in the days of my youth, I am now old, and I still find great pleasure in life and have a strong hope in death.

 

[frankieberg1985]

No doubt. But I have a hope for the future, and have confidence that there is a future for me after I depart this world. You can have that same hope if you choose, and I sincerely hope that one day you will see how pointless and meaningless life really is without a hope for the future after life ends.

Solomon said in Ecclesiastes, "Remember your Creator in the days of your youth. before the days of trouble come and the years approach when you will say, "I find no pleasure in them"--

Because I did remember my Creator in the days of my youth, I am now old, and I still find great pleasure in life and have a strong hope in death.

I know but I rather improve world as I live instead of believing in something without reason, I know it`s hard work from experience but I still work hard

 

[Ttalkkugjil]

No, but I trusts my gut feeling and it says no god anywhere

You don't base believing on your feelings but you base not believing on your feeling.

 

[frankieberg1985]

You don't base believing on your feelings but you base not believing on your feeling.

Gut feelings are connected to your intellect

 

[Ttalkkugjil]

Gut feelings are connected to your intellect

What's your evidence?

 

[frankieberg1985]

What's your evidence?

Evidence against a belief for no reason?

 

[Ttalkkugjil]

Evidence against a belief for no reason?

Your evidence that, "Gut feelings are connected to your intellect."

 

[frankieberg1985]

Your evidence that, "Gut feelings are connected to your intellect."

When you think strong emotions for example you feel it in stomach

 

[Ttalkkugjil]

When you think strong emotions for example you feel it in stomach

Perhaps. Again, please provide your evidence for ypur claim.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

I know but I rather improve world as I live instead of believing in something without reason, I know it`s hard work from experience but I still work hard

I believe you, and there is no doubt that you are working hard to improve the world around you. I'm not trying to talk you into Christianity. All I am doing is acknowledging to you what you believe already. You don't love God, because you don't believe that there is a God. Therefore, you don't believe that there is a heaven, so you certainly won't be going there.

I don't think that you really know what will happen to you after death, but I think you are hoping that it will be just oblivion. But we won't know that for sure until we get to that point.

The interesting thing about Solomon was, that he was king of Israel, immensely wealthy so that he had everything he needed and wanted in life. He had a thousand wives who catered for his every need, improved Israel immensely by building the Temple, and so he was famous and well-respected by all. So, he lived a great life. Yet as an old man, as we see in the book of Ecclesiastes, he was deeply depressed and miserable and said, "All is vanity. We live just like animals, and we die like the animals and go to the grave." In spite of all that wealth and fame and the good life, all had turned to dust when he got old.

I wonder whether that will be your future? When all your hard work has crumpled to dust in your old age, will you end up depressed and miserable and say to the nurse who is attending you in the old folks home, "Life has lost its meaning for me"?

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

What's your evidence?

Without a revelation from the Holy Spirit, all my friend has is his intellect and gut feelings. That's why I am not challenging his view of life. There is no point. If you read my posts, all I am telling him is exactly how it is and what he could expect in the future. He will find out in time whether I am right or not.