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I'm listening how do you know what hour it is by Orion. What are your points of reference?
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You know the stars traverse from horizon to horizon like the sun, right? I could tell the hour by the position of Orion, in particular.
I agree with much of this.Indeed! Scripture isn't about trivialities like whether the Earth was x (a certain exact amount) years old at a certain point in events...
Instead of being about the truly unimportant question of how old the Earth is when event Y happened, the Bible is about Life or Death (it's an emergency: life or death, bring the electric paddles and save the dying person, now! -- for all of us for eternity!
That's why the Word is given -- to rescue us from our lost sinfulness and bring us reconciled to God. (so of course the bible isn't about chemistry or geology!...)
So, in Genesis chapter 1, if we can read with a truly open listening, it changes your brain in a wonderful way (I'm just testifying about what has happened to me factually, and repeatedly) -- it alters a person.
So that they enter a new state of mind.
And become better ready to hear the wonderfully deep and profound lessons in Genesis chapters 2-4 and beyond....
So, as you read Genesis 1 with true listening, you hear a profoundly powerful message -- that God has made Earth a "good", and a "very good" home for us -- this is repeated 7 times....
And if you can just hear that, it changes your heart.
Makes you better ready to listen to the Word....
Which is 50 times...no, one millions times more important than how old the Earth is (which is a comparative triviality, and that's why the bible never tell us that, just like it doesn't go into details about how chemistry works or how to build a bridge or whatever else random topics that are very useful, but all that other stuff (engineering, chemistry, how to make a bow, the age of Earth, how biology works, etc.) would not help bring us to God.
The Bible is meant to bring us out of our sinfulness, make us repent, and turn to God confessing our sins, to save our souls for eternity....
So, to help anyone that isn't already turned fully to Christ in faith for the remission of their sins, there is only one saving message, alone.
As Romans confirms to us, and Christ also:
3 Since they [Israel and all of humanity....] did not know the righteousness of God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God’s righteousness. 4 Christ is the culmination of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.
5 Moses writes this about the righteousness that is by the law: “The person who does these things will live by them.” 6 But the righteousness that is by faith says: “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’” (that is, to bring Christ down) 7 “or ‘Who will descend into the deep?’” (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead). 8 But what does it say? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,” that is, the message concerning faith that we proclaim: 9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved. 11 As Scripture says, “Anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame.” 12 For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, 13 for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
14 How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in?
And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard?
And how can they hear without someone preaching to them?
15 And how can anyone preach unless they are sent? As it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!”
16 But not all the Israelites accepted the good news. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our message?”
17 Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word about Christ.
Bible Gateway passage: Romans 10 - New International Version
Brothers and sisters, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is that they may be saved. For I can testify about them that they are zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge. Since they did not know the righteousness of God and sought to establish their own, they...www.biblegateway.com
As Christ confirms in many ways in the gospels -- only He, alone, is the Way to God....
No other message saves, we literally read.
I hope this is a joke.Man was smart from the first breath 'huh' but couldn't make his own clothes.
You do realize that has nothing to do with what the poster said about how smart Adam was. They couldn't even leave a piece of friut alone.I hope this is a joke.
You do realize that the clothing or coverings that God made for them had deep spiritual significance.
When the Bible talks about nakedness it is far more than the absence of clothing.
Revelation 16:15 “Behold, I am coming like a thief! Blessed is the one who stays awake, keeping his garments on, that he may not go about naked and be seen exposed!”
Isaiah 47:3 Your nakedness shall be uncovered, and your disgrace shall be seen. I will take vengeance, and I will spare no one.
The clothing God made was the first shedding of blood. Adam wasn't allowed to shed blood. There was no death. The fact God killed an animal was a terrible thing meant to represent the blood Jesus would later shed.
Fig leaves or any other way man has to hide his spiritual nakedness and shame will not work. That to cover sin and shame requires the shedding of blood and they were symbolic of the salvation we have been given in Jesus Christ.
The same as my point of reference following the path of the sun through the sky during the day. I'm outside walking around buildings. The starfield above appears to rotate across the sky relative to the positions of the buildings as the earth rotates. So, then, when Betelgeuse (the star of Orion's left shoulder) appeared over one building, it was 10 pm. When Betelgeuse had moved over another building it was 1 am, when it had dropped so low as to disappear behind the buildings, it was 5 am and my shift was nearly over.I'm listening how do you know what hour it is by Orion. What are your points of reference?
So you deceive yourself by pondering something you can't possibly know hmm.Its very possible that six days passed on earth and not elsewhere.
It is an interesting thing to ponder but not something we can truly know.
That the stars look old to man who searches not for God but to uplift himself as being wise, is a great deception to those who do not trust God's word.
O I see, you looked at your mechanical clock each time you saw betelgeuse over a building, I can do the same with passing cars.The same as my point of reference following the path of the sun through the sky during the day. I'm outside walking around buildings. The starfield above appears to rotate across the sky relative to the positions of the buildings as the earth rotates. So, then, when Betelgeuse (the star of Orion's left shoulder) appeared over one building, it was 10 pm. When Betelgeuse had moved over another building it was 1 am, when it had dropped so low as to disappear behind the buildings, it was 5 am and my shift was nearly over.
Have you studied the Bible? Do you understand spiritual matters? If not I would suggest you read scripture and reread and pray about it. Disagreeing is one thing but you seem to not understand spiritual matters. I don't mean this in a bad way either, it just seems you are reducing spiritual truths to something basic like clothes and fruit. Or perhaps you are joking as I asked before.You do realize that has nothing to do with what the poster said about how smart Adam was. They couldn't even leave a piece of friut alone.
Where did you come up with Adam wasn't aloud to shed blood?
Making clothes from the skin of trees is ancient.
Disagreeing with me is not what your doing, but excusing me of not having spiritual discernment because I'm not agreeing with you.Have you studied the Bible? Do you understand spiritual matters? If not I would suggest you read scripture and reread and pray about it. Disagreeing is one thing but you seem to not understand spiritual matters. I don't mean this in a bad way either, it just seems you are reducing spiritual truths to something basic like clothes and fruit. Or perhaps you are joking as I asked before.
It wasn't about 'leaving a piece of fruit alone' it was about trusting and obeying God. Man's will verses God's will.
When I say there was no death, there was NO death. The world after creation looked nothing and worked nothing like it does now. We live on a corrupted groaning world.
Blood indicates death, man's sin is what brought in death.
God gave man and animals only plants to eat at creation.
Genesis 1:29
Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food.
You can also find indications of how creatures lived together in verses about the remade earth, the new Eden. Which is why its a restoration, a restoration back to what? Back to how it was in Eden before the fall.
Isaiah 11:6
The wolf will live with the lamb, the leopard will lie down with the goat, the calf and the lion and the yearling together; and a little child will lead them.
For animals to change so drastically meant the fall changed this world in ways we can't even imagine.
When you repented of your sins and asked Jesus to be your Lord and savior what did you think you were signing up for? To go to heaven?
The new earth is the final destination. The goal is not heaven, heaven is the 'waiting room' until the resurrection of the body, after which comes the new earth or new Eden.
Romans 8:22-24 We know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until now. And not only the creation, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies. For in this hope we were saved.
The redemption of the body to live on the new earth is the hope. Right now we have spiritual redemption but not bodily redemption.
The new world will be:
Without the curse (just like Eden) Revelation 22:3 No longer will there be any curse
Without death (Just like Eden) Revelation 21:4 Death shall be no more
With the tree of life twice (because there is no need for a tree to test mans obedience as all those in the new world have chosen God already) Revelation 22:2 On either side of the river was the tree of life
Sound familiar to Genesis? Because it is. It is the full circle from perfection-corruption-restoration.
I'm not pondering anything. I am saying people can, but this pondering and calculating should not be taken as truth. *sigh* I do not see the point in this conversation as you don't seem to understand a word that I say.So you deceive yourself by pondering something you can't possibly know hmm.
You need to learn a little bit more about the difference between the lights, the great lights and the stars for they are all mentioned separately in scripture.
Ok that's fineI'm not pondering anything. I am saying people can, but this pondering and calculating should not be taken as truth. *sigh* I do not see the point in this conversation as you don't seem to understand a word that I say.
I was explaining how ancient people could track the passage of time through the night.O I see, you looked at your mechanical clock each time you saw betelgeuse over a building, I can do the same with passing cars.
If you really wanted to do it without a mechanical clock at night. Look at the north star in the big dipper. It's like a mech clock but it's read backwards.
That is a real thing, it's called the star clock look it up. The north star doesn't really move its the center of the clock in the night sky. And the dip moves counterclockwise its pretty accurate.I was explaining how ancient people could track the passage of time through the night.
Now I think you're being purposefully obtuse.
So, indeed, you have been acting deliberately obtuse.That is a real thing, it's called the star clock look it up. The north star doesn't really move its the center of the clock in the night sky. And the dip moves counterclockwise its pretty accurate.
Months can be counted with constellations it's a bit off like time without mechanical devices and adjustments to calendars. Time is a wide range of understanding. Cross the event horizon of a black hole and time stops all together.
Everything in the universe is in its own time bubble, continues accordingly.
So, indeed, you have been acting deliberately obtuse.
Is that Christ died for our sins, to bring us to God.What we do need to know
Is that Christ died for our sins, to bring us to God.
Really, that's what we do "need" to know.
You don't even have to have a bible or an Old Testament to be saved. You don't even have to know who Peter was.....
....you don't even have to know about Moses....
You have to know that Christ Jesus died for you!
So, if someone mistakenly believes wrong doctrine W.2 about topic X -- it will not matter what they think about question X at all -- not even a micro bit -- if they believe in Christ Jesus and follow Him, doing as He taught us we must do.
This is so important. We understand this: no one has to belong to church denomination Z.1 in order to be saved.
Nor must anyone believe in Old Testament interpretation doctrine Y.3 to be saved.
But we Must believe on Jesus Christ, risen from the dead. and admit we are sinners who rely on Him for salvation from our sins, believing on Him in faith.
Acts 16:30 - The Conversion of the Jailer
Then he brought them out and asked, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?biblehub.comActs 16:31 - The Conversion of the Jailer
They replied, Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved, you and your household.biblehub.com
God indeed has that power. But We ought not confine God to our literal interpretations. The wonderful images from the Webb telescope give us ever deeper views of God's creation. We need not be afraid to look.The Bible, if you don't want to play debilitating interpretation games with it, straightforwardly asserts that the infinite God has the power to have created the universe in six, calendar days. And He used that power, to His glory.
You can't be serious. A lot of Evangelical Christians still accept the Bible account of a 7 day creation week -- and a great many more Christian denominations accepted it before the rise of evolutionism in the early 1800's.Most Christians world wide really do not care about Young Earth Creationism
Most Christians world wide really do not care about Young Earth Creationism that originated in the USA in the Seventh Day Adventist church, from the visions of Ellen G. White.
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