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98cwitr said:Come again?
98cwitr said:I believe that free will is only a perception (Proverbs 16:9, 20:24, Romans 9, 1 Peter 2:8, etc)...I guess Im not reformed either :/
1 Peter 2:8, imho, is the culminating answer to the OP.
So, you weren't free to post what you did?
98cwitr said:Based on my perceptions I was...but it might have been destined for me to post that. The only thing I know for a fact is that I did in fact make that post and I cannot change the fact that I did at that time.
I don't think destiny is that granular though, but I do believe that everything has a reason and a purpose, and many times they are greater than ourselves.
See how its so easy to see how the biblically balanced doctrine just falls into place, no pieces that need to have their corners chiseled off, just fits like a glove. Gods ways are so far above our ways, Its wonderful to give Him credit and glory for all that He does, but I'm not sure He appreciates you giving Him credit for what satan is doing.the bible clearly shows theres another force at work hereI think the relationship between God's sovereignty and human freedom is impossible for our finite minds to grasp.
It is clear to me that the Bible teaches two truths:
1) God is sovereign and ordains and controls all things
2) Men act as they please, do what they desire, and are held morally accountable for their actions.
Just because #1 is true doesn't mean #2 isn't true, and vice versa. They are both true. God is too big and powerful to be figured out. He works this way.
Thus, our actions literally do matter, but God literally ordains/decrees whatsoever comes to pass. We can't understand this or fathom it, but it's taught all over the Bible.
The Bible is what determines what is true, not our ability to understand or reconcile things.
Act 4:27-28
(27) For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together,
(28) For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done.
Here we see that God predestined Christ to be murdered, because we know Christ's plan all along was to save sinners.
But at the same time, it was the free choice of wicked men to kill Christ. And they are held accountable for their actions.
but I'm not sure He appreciates you giving Him credit for what satan is doing.the bible clearly shows theres another force at work here
thegospelisoffensive said:See how its so easy to see how the biblically balanced doctrine just falls into place, no pieces that need to have their corners chiseled off, just fits like a glove. Gods ways are so far above our ways, Its wonderful to give Him credit and glory for all that He does, but I'm not sure He appreciates you giving Him credit for what satan is doing.the bible clearly shows theres another force at work here
You may be confusing providence with predestination. Similar, but different.
How so? Currently I consider them nearly synonymous
yes He made the day and the night, the stars the moon and the planets.....I sure hope you weren't thinking of using that passage as a reference to God making evil "darkness" totally out of context if you wereHow so? Currently I consider them nearly synonymous. (ie: Predestination is dictated by God's providence)
@thegospelisoffensive: See Isaiah 45:7
yes He made the day and the night, the stars the moon and the planets.....I sure hope you weren't thinking of using that passage as a reference to God making evil "darkness" totally out of context if you were
check his post again brother @gospelisoffensive see Isaiah 45:7.....I thought that was directed at me, I am "thegospelisoffensive" hope I didn't offend you.... odd how I didn't realize 98c was dialoguing with you.......... must be a catchy "baptist" thing.
To my brothers...... the discussion is now straying from the OP and we do know how to stay on topic....... yes
yes He made the day and the night, the stars the moon and the planets.....I sure hope you weren't thinking of using that passage as a reference to God making evil "darkness" totally out of context if you were
.... odd how I didn't realize 98c was dialoguing with you.......... must be a catchy "baptist" thing.]
Are you saying that Jesus was a heretic, a Roman Catholic, a fruitcake, or just plain confused?
Matt. 7:21. Not everyone who says to Me, Lord, Lord, will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
22. Many will say to Me on that day, Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?
23. And then I will declare to them, I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS. (NASB, 1995)
In this passage, Jesus is contrasting doing the will of His father with practicing lawlessness. What, therefore, does Jesus mean by doing the will of [His] Father who is in heaven?
How do we respond, biblically? Perhaps it will be helpful to examine Isa. 45:7 to try to gain some light on this challenging topic.I don't acknowledge the KJV, so my sources say "calamity"
...and it's definitely not out of context. If God made all things then God makes ALL THINGS
...are we not suppose to take the good with the bad? (Job)
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