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Hello, I have some questions regarding a post at another website.
Please explain this:


"Topic 1, Adam and Eve: The Only Humans?


Genesis 2:4-6, NIV Wrote:This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created.

When the LORD God made the earth and the heavens- and no shrub of the field had yet appeared on the earth and no plant of the field had yet sprung up, for the LORD God had not sent rain on the earth and there was no man to work the ground, but streams came up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground- the LORD God formed the man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.



Genesis 1:9-13, NIV Wrote:And God said, "Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear." And it was so. God called the dry ground "land," and the gathered waters he called "seas." And God saw that it was good.

Then God said, "Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds." And it was so. The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.


As Adam was made before vegetation was on the Earth, he was made during the third day: After the water, but before the veggies. However:


Genesis 1:26-30, NIV Wrote:Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."

So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God he created him;
male and female he created them.

God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground."

Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air and all the creatures that move on the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food." And it was so.


More humans were created on the sixth day.

But some don't seem convinced by the plant argument. Okay. Let's say, just for fun, that Adam WAS created after the plants. Let's say that you really really can't follow the way this was set up, and need a tad more proof. Here. This section should help affirm things.


Genesis 1:21-26, 31, NIV Wrote:So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living and moving thing with which the water teems, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. God blessed them and said, "Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth." And there was evening, and there was morning—the fifth day.

And God said, "Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: livestock, creatures that move along the ground, and wild animals, each according to its kind." And it was so. God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.

Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."
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God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.


Animals. Animals were created prior to man on the sixth day. Well, if we visit chapter 2...


Genesis 2:18-19, NIV Wrote:The LORD God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him."

Now the LORD God had formed out of the ground all the beasts of the field and all the birds of the air. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name.


Adam was around prior to the animals. And yet, the Chapter 1 account says animals were created prior to man. This shows, yet again, that Adam was created prior to the "man" of the Day Six account.

Also:


Genesis 4:13-16, NIV Wrote:Cain said to the LORD, "My punishment is more than I can bear. Today you are driving me from the land, and I will be hidden from your presence; I will be a restless wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me."

But the LORD said to him, "Not so; if anyone kills Cain, he will suffer vengeance seven times over." Then the LORD put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him. So Cain went out from the LORD's presence and lived in the land of Nod, east of Eden.


Cain was worried that others may find and kill him. If his parents were the only others on the earth, who would he have had to worry about? Also, the land of Nod was known as the land of wanderers. Who was wandering for it to be named so? Cain, of course, is one... But note the plural. These verses only strengthen the suggestion that Adam, Eve, and their family were not alone.

For those that are still unconvinced... That believe Adam was created after the plants and animals, that believe Cain feared the rest of his family, that believe Cain slept with his sister, that believe there were at least 5 accounts of incest to create the human race... I ask you this:


Genesis 4:17, NIV Wrote:Cain lay with his wife, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Enoch. Cain was then building a city, and he named it after his son Enoch.


Why on earth was Cain building a city? And how was he doing it by himself?

Y'know, I find it amazing that the more people argue against me, the more stuff I find to support my argument.

I direct everyone to Genesis 6:1-2.


Genesis 6:1-2, NIV Wrote:When men began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose.


Where did the daughters of men come from? It is simple to assume that sons of God were those of God's chosen race of peoples, those from the lineage of Adam and Eve. However, it makes a distinction between these and the daughters of men. If there were those that God had chosen special and those that God hadn't... Who were the ones God hadn't chosen special?

Topic 2, Leviticus: Christian Law?


Leviticus 19:27, NIV Wrote:Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard.


So. Those that shave are sinning.


Leviticus 19:19, NIV Wrote:Keep my decrees.
Do not mate different kinds of animals.
Do not plant your field with two kinds of seed.
Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material.


So. Those that crop in cycles, wear polyester cotton mixes, or breed mules are sinning."

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

I don't think that the Bible was ever designed to be a science thesis or an exact history of mankind. We have the creation story written in very general terms to give us a picture of how the world started. Science has already proved the existence of dinosaurs, and that the age of the world could be millions of years, yet the Bible does not mention dinosaurs, and does not give a geological survey of how the world came into being.

My view is that for the purposes of why the Bible is given to us that detail would be irrelevant. Also, at the time Moses wrote the 5 beginning books of the Bible, science was not as advanced as it is today in terms of geology and archaeology. It is very easy for today's minds with all our increased knowledge about our planet to overestimate the knowledge that Moses had.

We also do not know the time frame between the creation of Adam and Eve until when Cain killed Abel. It could have been hundreds of years, and Adam and Eve would have been very fertile then and could have had many offspring. It is just that detail is not dealt with.

We don't know how many people lived in the land of Nod. We don't even know where it was even. There could have been just a couple of hundred for all we know. The then known world was a comparatively small place in those days.

Although many believe that the Great Flood covered the complete earth, and they can produce their evidence to support it; there are others who believe that the Great Flood covered just the populated area of the world, which was made up of the Fertile Crescent in the Middle East. The Bible does not go into that detail. The whole world to Moses and those whom he got the stories from could well have been limited to their perspective on how big the world was to them.

Also, you will notice through the Old Testament, the people talked about represent the ones whom God was working with at the time. It does not mention all the others who were living in the world at the time. Even when we look through the 'telephone directories' of who begat whom, we see only one basic generational line. If you can imagine it, there could have been countless other generational lines that are not even mentioned.

The Bible is principally concerned about God's dealings with mankind, and limits itself to the generational lines of people who had the calling of God on them to influence the next Generation.

To show you further of the limited perspective of the Bible, we can look at the book of Acts. All we see there is the view of the early church through the writing of Luke. But the church started with 3,000 people; then it added another 5,000 people very soon after. Then it spread right around the provinces of the Roman Empire. There were scores of different congregations, even in Corinth, Ephesus, etc to whom Paul wrote his letters. But when we read Acts, we get an impression that the church existed only where Paul and Peter went. The book does not mention the scores of other churches and men of God who went around spreading the gospel.

It also speaks nothing of the nature of the Roman Empire, or what eventually happened to Jerusalem, although most of the books of the Bible were written after that event.

What we have to look at is: What is the Bible telling us about God, ourselves, and our relationship with Him through the different periods of his dealings with us? What does the Bible tell us about Jesus, His mission and His death and resurrection? What was His purpose in these things? And what does the Bible tell us about our relationship with God in the present day?

When we get to grips with those things, we start to understand what the Bible is all about.

 

[zeke37]

I have questions please help!


Hello, I have some questions regarding a post at another website.
Please explain this:


"Topic 1, Adam and Eve: The Only Humans?


Genesis 2:4-6, NIV Wrote:This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created.

When the LORD God made the earth and the heavens- and no shrub of the field had yet appeared on the earth and no plant of the field had yet sprung up, for the LORD God had not sent rain on the earth and there was no man to work the ground, but streams came up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground- the LORD God formed the man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.



Genesis 1:9-13, NIV Wrote:And God said, "Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear." And it was so. God called the dry ground "land," and the gathered waters he called "seas." And God saw that it was good.

Then God said, "Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds." And it was so. The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.


As Adam was made before vegetation was on the Earth, he was made during the third day: After the water, but before the veggies. However:


Genesis 1:26-30, NIV Wrote:Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."

So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God he created him;
male and female he created them.

God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground."

Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air and all the creatures that move on the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food." And it was so.


More humans were created on the sixth day.

But some don't seem convinced by the plant argument. Okay. Let's say, just for fun, that Adam WAS created after the plants. Let's say that you really really can't follow the way this was set up, and need a tad more proof. Here. This section should help affirm things.


Genesis 1:21-26, 31, NIV Wrote:So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living and moving thing with which the water teems, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. God blessed them and said, "Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth." And there was evening, and there was morning—the fifth day.

And God said, "Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: livestock, creatures that move along the ground, and wild animals, each according to its kind." And it was so. God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.

Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."
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God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.


Animals. Animals were created prior to man on the sixth day. Well, if we visit chapter 2...


Genesis 2:18-19, NIV Wrote:The LORD God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him."

Now the LORD God had formed out of the ground all the beasts of the field and all the birds of the air. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name.


Adam was around prior to the animals. And yet, the Chapter 1 account says animals were created prior to man. This shows, yet again, that Adam was created prior to the "man" of the Day Six account.

Also:


Genesis 4:13-16, NIV Wrote:Cain said to the LORD, "My punishment is more than I can bear. Today you are driving me from the land, and I will be hidden from your presence; I will be a restless wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me."

But the LORD said to him, "Not so; if anyone kills Cain, he will suffer vengeance seven times over." Then the LORD put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him. So Cain went out from the LORD's presence and lived in the land of Nod, east of Eden.


Cain was worried that others may find and kill him. If his parents were the only others on the earth, who would he have had to worry about? Also, the land of Nod was known as the land of wanderers. Who was wandering for it to be named so? Cain, of course, is one... But note the plural. These verses only strengthen the suggestion that Adam, Eve, and their family were not alone.

For those that are still unconvinced... That believe Adam was created after the plants and animals, that believe Cain feared the rest of his family, that believe Cain slept with his sister, that believe there were at least 5 accounts of incest to create the human race... I ask you this:


Genesis 4:17, NIV Wrote:Cain lay with his wife, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Enoch. Cain was then building a city, and he named it after his son Enoch.


Why on earth was Cain building a city? And how was he doing it by himself?

Y'know, I find it amazing that the more people argue against me, the more stuff I find to support my argument.

I direct everyone to Genesis 6:1-2.


Genesis 6:1-2, NIV Wrote:When men began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose.


Where did the daughters of men come from? It is simple to assume that sons of God were those of God's chosen race of peoples, those from the lineage of Adam and Eve. However, it makes a distinction between these and the daughters of men. If there were those that God had chosen special and those that God hadn't... Who were the ones God hadn't chosen special?

Topic 2, Leviticus: Christian Law?


Leviticus 19:27, NIV Wrote:Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard.


So. Those that shave are sinning.


Leviticus 19:19, NIV Wrote:Keep my decrees.
Do not mate different kinds of animals.
Do not plant your field with two kinds of seed.
Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material.


So. Those that crop in cycles, wear polyester cotton mixes, or breed mules are sinning."

How old is the earth? Well, God doesn't say, but it is very old. It is certainly older than 6000 years. Gap theory between Gen1:1 and Gen1:2....

something happened and the old way of life ended and this flesh life was set up....for a purpose.

Well, the majority of Christians believe that Adam and Eve were the first two people on the planet and that every person on earth is descended from them.

I do not.

the 6th day creation of mankind (adam) in Gen1:26,

and the animals, prior to mankind. These are the wild animals, the non-edible (unclean animals) beasts of the earth.

God says, LET US create man in OUR image.
God is speaking to His creation, His children (us) and includes Himself in the statement. His children are created into flesh bodies, including Himself (as Christ).

This is not a reference to Adam and Eve, but rather to mankind in general. The races are created here, ALL...separate. Equal.

So, ALL races are created on the 6th day.

And God said it was Good.

And God rests on the 7th day.

And then, after the rest, God forms Adam. (eth ha adam) for a specific reason, to be a farmer...tiller of the soil, a metaphor for a planter of truth, as we are all supposed to be planting seeds for our Father. We are all farmers for our Father. We are to be keepers of the field and getting ready for the harvest.

Then God makes all the clean animals, beasts of the field....edible animals, used in sacrifice and eating.

This is after the 7th day of rest, and not a retelling of the 6th day.

The animals are different, the orders are different., and there is a day of rest in between. A day to God is a thousand years to mankind.

So, theoretically, we could have 2000 years in between the time when God created mankind on day 6, and when He formed Adam (the specific individual) on the 8th day.

So, society was already there in Adam's day.

That is where Cain found his wife, and why the need for him to be marked, so others wouldn't kill him.

There were nations already, when Noah's sons went into the world after the flood.

About Gen 6,

there was a pure race from Adam and Eve to Christ.
The purity (perfect in generations) was almost completely broken by the sons of God. The sons of God are known as the fallen angels, which Satan is one. (See Job and Jude).

It is Satan's master plan to pervert the seed line from Eve(Gen3:16) to Christ. Satan tries all the way through the Word to do this. I find evidence that Satan (as the figurative Serpent) beguiled eve, and fathered Cain...but Adam fathered Abel.....and then Seth. Satan was trying from the very beginning to prevent the Messiah.

So, the fallen angels take wives of Adam's family line, polluting the purity and having children (Giants-Greek gods), and it takes Noah 500 years to find a pure adamic wife...much longer than his early family. But he does, and his line will eventually lead to Christ.



cutting hair and shaving. I think that the issue is respect and not worshipping other gods. These were signs of worshiping the false gods. They are no longer sign for that. I shave my head, cause I'm loosing my hair....lol, not for a religious vow.


symbolically, I understand the reasons for the warnings in Leviticus for not mixing clothing, animal breeding, or crop 2 or more crops in one location.

The measure of faith is not based on clothing, but what that represents. Under the Law, needed as an example to us today.
Animal breeding, that is some good advice, don't mix, as mutations may result. Natural is better.
Crops...if you grow cucumbers and cantaloupes in the same garden, you will understand why!!!lol. you'll end up with a 'cuculope'...or a 'cantacumber. Yuk!

cycles, aren't they the ...rest the land 1 year out of each 7 years.? We should do this still today.


in His service
c

 

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Thanks for the explaination!
@Oscarr the book of job talks about dinosaurs they don't call them dinosaurs but the Bible described them.

@zeke37 Why can't God create the universe in 6 days human time but thousands of years instead? How can Satan have children with humans?

 

[650863441]

I have some other questions.

Leviticus 15, NIV Wrote:The LORD said to Moses and Aaron, "Speak to the Israelites and say to them: 'When any man has a bodily discharge, the discharge is unclean. Whether it continues flowing from his body or is blocked, it will make him unclean. This is how his discharge will bring about uncleanness:

" 'Any bed the man with a discharge lies on will be unclean, and anything he sits on will be unclean. Anyone who touches his bed must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be unclean till evening. Whoever sits on anything that the man with a discharge sat on must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be unclean till evening.

" 'Whoever touches the man who has a discharge must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be unclean till evening.

" 'If the man with the discharge spits on someone who is clean, that person must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be unclean till evening.

" 'Everything the man sits on when riding will be unclean, and whoever touches any of the things that were under him will be unclean till evening; whoever picks up those things must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be unclean till evening.

" 'Anyone the man with a discharge touches without rinsing his hands with water must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be unclean till evening.

" 'A clay pot that the man touches must be broken, and any wooden article is to be rinsed with water.

" 'When a man is cleansed from his discharge, he is to count off seven days for his ceremonial cleansing; he must wash his clothes and bathe himself with fresh water, and he will be clean. On the eighth day he must take two doves or two young pigeons and come before the LORD to the entrance to the Tent of Meeting and give them to the priest. The priest is to sacrifice them, the one for a sin offering and the other for a burnt offering. In this way he will make atonement before the LORD for the man because of his discharge.

" 'When a man has an emission of sperm, he must bathe his whole body with water, and he will be unclean till evening. Any clothing or leather that has sperm on it must be washed with water, and it will be unclean till evening. When a man lies with a woman and there is an emission of sperm, both must bathe with water, and they will be unclean till evening.

" 'When a woman has her regular flow of blood, the impurity of her monthly period will last seven days, and anyone who touches her will be unclean till evening.

" 'Anything she lies on during her period will be unclean, and anything she sits on will be unclean. Whoever touches her bed must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be unclean till evening. Whoever touches anything she sits on must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be unclean till evening. Whether it is the bed or anything she was sitting on, when anyone touches it, he will be unclean till evening.

" 'If a man lies with her and her monthly flow touches him, he will be unclean for seven days; any bed he lies on will be unclean.

" 'When a woman has a discharge of blood for many days at a time other than her monthly period or has a discharge that continues beyond her period, she will be unclean as long as she has the discharge, just as in the days of her period. Any bed she lies on while her discharge continues will be unclean, as is her bed during her monthly period, and anything she sits on will be unclean, as during her period. Whoever touches them will be unclean; he must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be unclean till evening.

" 'When she is cleansed from her discharge, she must count off seven days, and after that she will be ceremonially clean. On the eighth day she must take two doves or two young pigeons and bring them to the priest at the entrance to the Tent of Meeting. The priest is to sacrifice one for a sin offering and the other for a burnt offering. In this way he will make atonement for her before the LORD for the uncleanness of her discharge.

" 'You must keep the Israelites separate from things that make them unclean, so they will not die in their uncleanness for defiling my dwelling place, which is among them.' "

These are the regulations for a man with a discharge, for anyone made unclean by an emission of sperm, for a woman in her monthly period, for a man or a woman with a discharge, and for a man who lies with a woman who is ceremonially unclean.

So. sperm is "unclean". Women on periods must be cast out due to their uncleanliness.

Leviticus 11, NIV Wrote:The LORD said to Moses and Aaron, "Say to the Israelites: 'Of all the animals that live on land, these are the ones you may eat: You may eat any animal that has a split hoof completely divided and that chews the cud.

" 'There are some that only chew the cud or only have a split hoof, but you must not eat them. The camel, though it chews the cud, does not have a split hoof; it is ceremonially unclean for you. The coney, though it chews the cud, does not have a split hoof; it is unclean for you. The rabbit, though it chews the cud, does not have a split hoof; it is unclean for you. And the pig, though it has a split hoof completely divided, does not chew the cud; it is unclean for you. You must not eat their meat or touch their carcasses; they are unclean for you.

" 'Of all the creatures living in the water of the seas and the streams, you may eat any that have fins and scales. But all creatures in the seas or streams that do not have fins and scales-whether among all the swarming things or among all the other living creatures in the water-you are to detest. And since you are to detest them, you must not eat their meat and you must detest their carcasses. Anything living in the water that does not have fins and scales is to be detestable to you.

" 'These are the birds you are to detest and not eat because they are detestable: the eagle, the vulture, the black vulture, the red kite, any kind of black kite, any kind of raven, the horned owl, the screech owl, the gull, any kind of hawk, the little owl, the cormorant, the great owl, the white owl, the desert owl, the osprey, the stork, any kind of heron, the hoopoe and the bat.

" 'All flying insects that walk on all fours are to be detestable to you. There are, however, some winged creatures that walk on all fours that you may eat: those that have jointed legs for hopping on the ground. Of these you may eat any kind of locust, katydid, cricket or grasshopper. But all other winged creatures that have four legs you are to detest.

" 'You will make yourselves unclean by these; whoever touches their carcasses will be unclean till evening. Whoever picks up one of their carcasses must wash his clothes, and he will be unclean till evening.

" 'Every animal that has a split hoof not completely divided or that does not chew the cud is unclean for you; whoever touches the carcass of any of them will be unclean. Of all the animals that walk on all fours, those that walk on their paws are unclean for you; whoever touches their carcasses will be unclean till evening. Anyone who picks up their carcasses must wash his clothes, and he will be unclean till evening. They are unclean for you.

" 'Of the animals that move about on the ground, these are unclean for you: the weasel, the rat, any kind of great lizard, the gecko, the monitor lizard, the wall lizard, the skink and the chameleon. Of all those that move along the ground, these are unclean for you. Whoever touches them when they are dead will be unclean till evening. When one of them dies and falls on something, that article, whatever its use, will be unclean, whether it is made of wood, cloth, hide or sackcloth. Put it in water; it will be unclean till evening, and then it will be clean. If one of them falls into a clay pot, everything in it will be unclean, and you must break the pot. Any food that could be eaten but has water on it from such a pot is unclean, and any liquid that could be drunk from it is unclean. Anything that one of their carcasses falls on becomes unclean; an oven or cooking pot must be broken up. They are unclean, and you are to regard them as unclean. A spring, however, or a cistern for collecting water remains clean, but anyone who touches one of these carcasses is unclean. If a carcass falls on any seeds that are to be planted, they remain clean. But if water has been put on the seed and a carcass falls on it, it is unclean for you.

" 'If an animal that you are allowed to eat dies, anyone who touches the carcass will be unclean till evening. Anyone who eats some of the carcass must wash his clothes, and he will be unclean till evening. Anyone who picks up the carcass must wash his clothes, and he will be unclean till evening.

" 'Every creature that moves about on the ground is detestable; it is not to be eaten. You are not to eat any creature that moves about on the ground, whether it moves on its belly or walks on all fours or on many feet; it is detestable. Do not defile yourselves by any of these creatures. Do not make yourselves unclean by means of them or be made unclean by them. I am the LORD your God; consecrate yourselves and be holy, because I am holy. Do not make yourselves unclean by any creature that moves about on the ground. I am the LORD who brought you up out of Egypt to be your God; therefore be holy, because I am holy.

" 'These are the regulations concerning animals, birds, every living thing that moves in the water and every creature that moves about on the ground. You must distinguish between the unclean and the clean, between living creatures that may be eaten and those that may not be eaten.' "

So. You can't eat lobster or crawfish. Or pork.

So why just pick at the verses against homosexuals? Oh, by the way. Christians do not have to follow Levitican Law.

Acts 10:10-16, NIV Wrote:He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. It contained all kinds of fourfooted animals, as well as reptiles of the earth and birds of the air. Then a voice told him, “Get up, Peter. Kill and eat."

“Surely not, Lord!" Peter replied. “I have never eaten anything impure or unclean." The voice spoke to him a second time, “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean." This happened three times, and immediately the sheet was taken back to heaven.

Suddenly the animals aren't unclean. Oh, and here.

Acts 15:24-29, NIV Wrote:We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said. So we all agreed to choose some men and send them to you with our dear friends Barnabas and Paul– men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore we are sending Judas and Silas to confirm by word of mouth what we are writing. It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things. Farewell.

If you are Christian, you are not to follow the Levitican laws, as mentioned in Acts 15. If you are Jewish, either follow all the laws, or just realize that you're not doing so hot as a Jew and don't follow any.



Topic 3, Sodom: Burned For Homosexual Sex?

The story of Sodom and Gomorrah is as such: Lot, the nephew of Abraham, was living in the city of Sodom. Abraham had pleaded to God to spare the city under the condition that 10 righteous men were found there.

Genesis 18:32-33, NIV Wrote:Then he said, "May the Lord not be angry, but let me speak just once more. What if only ten can be found there?"
He answered, "For the sake of ten, I will not destroy it."

When the LORD had finished speaking with Abraham, he left, and Abraham returned home.

Unfortunately, that condition was failed to be met. However, God felt compassion towards Lot, and sent two angels to warn him of the impending doom of the city before its destruction. When they arrived, however, they were accosted by citizens of Sodom.

Genesis 19:4-30, NIV Wrote:Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom—both young and old—surrounded the house. They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."

Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing. Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them. But don't do anything to these men, for they have come under the protection of my roof."

"Get out of our way," they replied. And they said, "This fellow came here as an alien, and now he wants to play the judge! We'll treat you worse than them." They kept bringing pressure on Lot and moved forward to break down the door.

But the men inside reached out and pulled Lot back into the house and shut the door. Then they struck the men who were at the door of the house, young and old, with blindness so that they could not find the door.

The two men said to Lot, "Do you have anyone else here—sons-in-law, sons or daughters, or anyone else in the city who belongs to you? Get them out of here, because we are going to destroy this place. The outcry to the LORD against its people is so great that he has sent us to destroy it."

With these verses, a couple of key things are to be noted. First, note that Lot mentioned the men were protected. Second, note that he offered his daughters. The protection is to be noted because inhospitality was a grievous offense. Just as in the Roman myth of Jupiter and Mercury visiting Baucis and Philemon, hospitality was rewarded as you never knew who would be in your house. Lot offering his daughters shows that, as he was their father and thus their consent, that he was offering them consenting sex as opposed to rape. Also:

Genesis 18:20-21, NIV Wrote:Then the LORD said, "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know."

God mentions an outcry that reached him. Would men consenting to homosexual sex cry out to God? No. Would people being raped repeatedly cry out to God? The answer is yes. Also, why would the sin of homosexuality be so grievous back then that it was worthy of razing an entire city, but is today not worthy enough for anything? The reason is that homosexuality was not the sin mentioned. The sin is rape and, slightly lesser, inhospitality.

 

[zeke37]

Thanks for the explaination!
@Oscarr the book of job talks about dinosaurs they don't call them dinosaurs but the Bible described them.

@zeke37 Why can't God create the universe in 6 days human time but thousands of years instead? How can Satan have children with humans?

Dino's in Job...yes, I agree..they are mentioned as Leviathan, and I believe references the age before the flesh age of man...



God created the universe and the earth in Gen 1:1, and He did not state how long that took Him.

Verse 2...the word 'was' should better be translated as "became"

Something happened and the world became void (a ruin)

I say that God created the universe billions of years ago, and His children lived with Him, for a very long time.

I reference 2Pet3:8 for the fact that 6 days to God is 6000 years to mankind. So, the 7 days of creation, is effectively 7000 years (including the day of rest).

I understand the fall of Satan to have happened in the first age, before the flesh (in between Gen1:1 and Gen1:2) and that fall was called the "overthrow of Satan" ('katabole' in Greek).

I believe that is the reason for this age...the flesh age, so that God can forgive "some" that followed Satan....offer them Salvation through the blood of Christ.

So, God started a plan, His plan to redeem His children...Salvation through Christ.

Satan knows this plan and is opposed to it. Satan tries to stop the plan of God, by different methods.

Satan is called a son of God in Job, the same title that is given to the fallen angels of Gen6..and referenced in Jude.

They mated with Adam's daughters and created offspring...and also after that, as well.
Satan is further described as having been a protecting cherub in Ez28, before his iniquity (pride) got the better of him and he fell. So, Satan is an angel, fallen but an angel.

Angels are physical beings, although not flesh...as we can learn in Gen during the story of the destruction of Sodom. When the angels came to warn Lot, they were thought of as men, and sexually accosted. They ate with Lot, and we can eat manna, which is angels food. We are not that different. Angels don't have wings. They look like us, and that is who is in the image of God (Elohim is plural and references God and His creation.) we are made in the image of our spiritual body...we look like us. God also became an image of His spiritual body, in Christ Messiah.

So, Satan tried to thwart the birth of Messiah. He failed of course, but he tried.

We are told of the promise of Messiah in Gen 3:15, as the woman's seed. We are also told that the Serpent(the figurative name of Satan) has seed as well. They are opposed to each other.

Satan fully beguiled Eve in every way.
Satan is also the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, and Eve thought it was to be desired. She 'partook' of that fruit..."touched" it. See Gen 20:6 for touch reference.
This happened before Adam knew his wife, in Gen4:1...so Eve is given her name....mother of all living, before she 'knew' Adam. She was already pregnant. She then gives to her husband the same.

Cain is first, Abel second but they are twins, as is referenced by "again"(she bare Abel). 'again' in the Strong's concordance means "to continue in", so they were twins, but not of the same father. Vastly different personalities, and Cain is a murdered.


Satan has children, called Tares in the Gospels.

So, we know Eve will have a seed, and we know that Satan's seed will bruise His heels, and that her seed, the christian elect, shall bruise his head.

Seed means sperm. Offspring is most definitely implied.

NT Gospels speak of tares in Mat13:37-50, and John states plainly in John 8:38-44. They are the children of the devil...and Cain who was the first murderer.


Cain is Satan's first attempt to pervert the genetic line that lead from Adam and Eve to Christ. If he can pervert this line, Christ can't be born. The line must stay pure and uninfiltrated by the fallen angels offspring. Which it did, thanks to our Father....although those fallen angels tried multiple times to do this. Gen 6 and after that....kenite is a name given to the sons of Cain. These same sons of Cain, survived the flood of Noah's days and come against Israel later. They actually are not of Israel but are sneaky and were counted in a census as part of Judah. They are not. The are described as the 'scribes', and it is my (and others) opinion that they are the ones who murdered Christ, not true Judah.



I know this is a long post. There is much more, but for now......


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c

 

[dimwhitt]

Genesis
genesis contains 13 chapter divisions marked with the expression "This is the account of... or generation of..."
1:1-2:3
2:4-4:26
etc. etc. etc.

this accounts for what appears to be differing accounts
however, the 1st is a big picture with no details while the 2nd is more detail and less big picture

Leviticus
NOT christian Law
The Law pointed to sin

 

[dimwhitt]

Sodom
destroyed for pride
of which homosexuality is a consequence
(romans 1 & 2 "instead of giving glory to god they became vain and substituted the true god for false ones so god gave them over to their depravity" - not a translation but a paraphrase)

Acts
YES
these things are no longer unclean because the fulfillment of the Law has come in Christ
(the bigger picture - contact with the gentiles is no longer unclean either)

 

[zeke37]

I have some other questions.

Leviticus 15, NIV Wrote:.....

These are the regulations for a man with a discharge, for anyone made unclean by an emission of sperm, for a woman in her monthly period, for a man or a woman with a discharge, and for a man who lies with a woman who is ceremonially unclean.

So. sperm is "unclean". Women on periods must be cast out due to their uncleanliness.

I think that anything unclean couldn't enter the temple. This has to do with the fact that one should be celibate for a spell before going directly to God. one shouldn't be sexual in any way when in His presence. Again, these are Laws for the temple, then....

Leviticus 11, NIV Wrote:

.....

" 'These are the regulations concerning animals, birds, every living thing that moves in the water and every creature that moves about on the ground. You must distinguish between the unclean and the clean, between living creatures that may be eaten and those that may not be eaten.' "

So. You can't eat lobster or crawfish. Or pork.

Yep, you got it. Not that the majority of Christians believe this, but you are correct. God created certain foods to be received, and certain animals that have other roles. Shellfish and pork are scavengers.

So why just pick at the verses against homosexuals? Oh, by the way. Christians do not have to follow Levitican Law.

Jesus said, I don not come to change the Law. I change not one tittle (jot) of the Law.

The health Laws are still in effect, never were a Salvation issue, but a healthy flesh life issue. May ordinances...all the blood ones...were fulfilled, but the health Laws are just common sense. God didn't change the human body when Christ won the victory. We still need to eat healthy.

Hypothetical....would you (any Christian) get a vulture, put it in front of your children, ask God to bless it and then have them eat that vulture? or skunk, sewer rat? No...common sense. They are not fit to eat, like Lobster and crab and ham and bacon and pork chops and peperoni, and ..... mostly anything that will eat another animal..Herbivores are where it is at. They are good to eat. For the most part.

Acts 10:10-16, NIV Wrote:

He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. It contained all kinds of fourfooted animals, as well as reptiles of the earth and birds of the air. Then a voice told him, “Get up, Peter. Kill and eat."

“Surely not, Lord!" Peter replied. “I have never eaten anything impure or unclean." The voice spoke to him a second time, “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean." This happened three times, and immediately the sheet was taken back to heaven.

Suddenly the animals aren't unclean. Oh, and here.

This has nothing to do with clean and unclean food, but rather God uses this as an example....Salvation of Christ is not limited to the Jew, but for all gentiles as well. So, God is saying, the Jew is clean and the gentile is unclean...and now all are good. The Messiah is for ALL. That message is made very clear in the end of the chapter and the next.

Acts 15:24-29, NIV Wrote:

We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said. So we all agreed to choose some men and send them to you with our dear friends Barnabas and Paul– men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore we are sending Judas and Silas to confirm by word of mouth what we are writing. It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things. Farewell.

If you are Christian, you are not to follow the Levitican laws, as mentioned in Acts 15. If you are Jewish, either follow all the laws, or just realize that you're not doing so hot as a Jew and don't follow any.

Actually I disagree. A Christian should follow all the bible. The health laws are still in effect. Jesus fulfilled the ordinances of blood...so no more blood sacrifice.

What this is saying that there are some areas of Faith that are important and some that are not as important. It is not necessary for a gentile to become a Jew, as they didn't have it right anyway. There is more to it than just what is mentioned in Acts 15.

They were interested in preaching Jesus and not the Law. Believe in Him. Follow Him.

so, while they get that message, they are told not to give any quarter to idol worship, nor to eat an animal that is not bled right, or to be sexually immoral. These few commandments are given but there are more, that the folks would learn to follow in time, as we all do...we get convicted and we change...over time.

We don't have to do it all at once.

But the Law is still valid in many respects. It is our school master. No blood ordinances. They were fulfilled.

Topic 3, Sodom: Burned For Homosexual Sex?

The story of Sodom and Gomorrah is as such: Lot, the nephew of Abraham, was living in the city of Sodom. Abraham had pleaded to God to spare the city under the condition that 10 righteous men were found there.

Genesis 18:32-33, NIV Wrote:Then he said, "May the Lord not be angry, but let me speak just once more. What if only ten can be found there?"
He answered, "For the sake of ten, I will not destroy it."

When the LORD had finished speaking with Abraham, he left, and Abraham returned home.

Unfortunately, that condition was failed to be met. However, God felt compassion towards Lot, and sent two angels to warn him of the impending doom of the city before its destruction. When they arrived, however, they were accosted by citizens of Sodom.

Genesis 19:4-30, NIV Wrote:Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom—both young and old—surrounded the house. They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."

Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing. Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them. But don't do anything to these men, for they have come under the protection of my roof."

"Get out of our way," they replied. And they said, "This fellow came here as an alien, and now he wants to play the judge! We'll treat you worse than them." They kept bringing pressure on Lot and moved forward to break down the door.

But the men inside reached out and pulled Lot back into the house and shut the door. Then they struck the men who were at the door of the house, young and old, with blindness so that they could not find the door.

The two men said to Lot, "Do you have anyone else here—sons-in-law, sons or daughters, or anyone else in the city who belongs to you? Get them out of here, because we are going to destroy this place. The outcry to the LORD against its people is so great that he has sent us to destroy it."

With these verses, a couple of key things are to be noted. First, note that Lot mentioned the men were protected. Second, note that he offered his daughters. The protection is to be noted because inhospitality was a grievous offense. Just as in the Roman myth of Jupiter and Mercury visiting Baucis and Philemon, hospitality was rewarded as you never knew who would be in your house. Lot offering his daughters shows that, as he was their father and thus their consent, that he was offering them consenting sex as opposed to rape. Also:

I disagree with part of your synopses. The two visitors were angels. Lot knew this. They were emissaries of the Living God. No offence should come to them, and Lot tries everything in his power to see this true. And yes, even to the point of offering up his daughters.

Remember that this was a homosexual crowd, and by offering them his daughters, Lot was showing them what was right (heterosexuality) and giving them an alternative to their sexual corruption, which would very soon lead to their death. He was also keeping the angels safe from the crowd, which since they were emissaries of God, was very important to him, more important than his or his daughters lives. These were two of God's messengers.

Genesis 18:20-21, NIV Wrote:

Then the LORD said, "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know."

God mentions an outcry that reached him. Would men consenting to homosexual sex cry out to God? No. Would people being raped repeatedly cry out to God? The answer is yes. Also, why would the sin of homosexuality be so grievous back then that it was worthy of razing an entire city, but is today not worthy enough for anything? The reason is that homosexuality was not the sin mentioned. The sin is rape and, slightly lesser, inhospitality.

Is it written that homosexuality is not worthy of being chastised by God today? What leads you to believe that homosexuality is OK to God in today's age? It can be forgiven, but it is still a sin. There were sins of rape, yes. There were sins of homosexuality, yes. And I guess they were inhospitable but that was the least of their worries.


in His service
c

 

[childofGod31]

About homosexuality and Sodom.

I think their sins were not ONLY homosexuality, but all kinds of other evil. And that is why they were destroyed. Because they were utterly evil in God's eyes.

Paul believed that homosexuality was a sin, therefore so do I:
ROM 1:26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones.27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.



About Adam and Eve and plants and other people:

God made the earth ready for plants (perhaps even planted a seed) on the fourth day. The actual plants didn't come up from the ground yet. That's why it SEEMS that man was created before plants. But he was not. Bible cannot contradict itself, therefore, we must find an explanation for SEEMING contradictions.

About animals: it said "now God formed animals". "Now" in context, suggests that it was done at some point. I believe it means on the sixth day, before human was created. Because it also said that God created a Garden "now" and put the a man there. That means a Garden must have been created BEFORE man in order to put man in there. So God created animals "at some point" and after he created the man, he brought the animals to him. But the verse didn't mean that God created animals and brought them to the man at the same time.

I believe Adam and Eve were the first humans. And they had many children. (It's just that God lists only certain ones, perhaps as an outline for human history purposes.) But there were many children in between. After all, there were no birth control pills and they lived for 900 years... Brothers and sisters were free to marry then. I think this might explain why there seemed to be other people living besides Adam and Eve.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Inbreeding isn't limited to the children of Adam and Eve. Lot's daughters slept with him and produced what became the Ammonites and Moabites. Ruth, a Moabite, is included in the genealogy of Christ.

 

[Lilly of the Valley]

Adam and Eve were the first humans. The woman Cain married was most likely his sister. Just because only three children were mentioned in no way means that is all they had. If you examine biblical geneologies (Chronicles) men are the main ones mentioned...not daughters or wives... This is the only way the earth would've been populated anyway.

 

[zeke37]

Adam and Eve were the first humans. The woman Cain married was most likely his sister. Just because only three children were mentioned in no way means that is all they had. If you examine biblical geneologies (Chronicles) men are the main ones mentioned...not daughters or wives... This is the only way the earth would've been populated anyway.

or, mankind (all distinct races) was created 2 days earlier,
on the 6th day
and civilization was thriving by the time God formed Adam,
planted the garden
and placed Adam there....
2 days later, after the Sabbath day of rest.
A day to God is as a thousand years to man.



Cain married a heathen from outside the adamic valley.

Cain had a mark placed on him (the mark of the beast) so that OTHERS wouldn't kill him.

Cain is NOT in Adam's genealogy.

Cain has his OWN genealogy.



The people were here, civilization was already started, and God formed Adam separate from the other races on purpose...and this specific line would lead to Christ. Thus this line must be protected and unaffected by the fallen angels of Gen6 and also after that.

Adam and Eve....to Christ.

Cain has his own genealogy, for a reason, and God uses his offspring for reasons. Cain's offspring are named and we can trace them. Cain's children are referred to as Kenites. These kenites survive the flood....as do other nations (the races), as one of Noah's son goes into other nations. The offspring of Cain are known as many different names. Goliath was one. He was a giant. And that was well after the flood.

But....the fact is that the story of the Garden of Eden is after the 7th day of rest, and is not a retelling of the 6th day, because the orders are different, as well as the details.

People (nations or ethnos in the bible=ethnic peoples) were there already, thus explaining Cain's wife.

This also explains the reason for Cain to have a mark.




after mankind is created, God declares all of them Good.

but it doesn't stay that way. The fallen angels are messing things up,

God starts a pure race, Eve taken from Adam, and thus pure, and this leads eventually Christ.

The fallen angels attempt to thwart the promise of God, of the coming Seed(Gen3:15), is stopped each time.


But there were people there already when Adam and Eve were there. Science itself proves this. Biblical archeology proves this.

there is of course much more.


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c