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Protecting and clarifying that original pre-gentile church's understanding by rejected the Kingdom of God and whored itself to the Roman Empire, re-joining the world of man that is backwards to the Kingdom? How can that be justified without first controlling the narrative of the day?and the larger church met to protect and clarify that understanding as necessary, guided by the Holy Spirit.
Narratives are also controlled by those who ignore or even revise history. All of those councils, BTW, occurred in the east, not the west. There, some actual historical narrative.Protecting and clarifying that original pre-gentile church's understanding by rejected the Kingdom of God and whored itself to the Roman Empire, re-joining the world of man that is backwards to the Kingdom? How can that be justified without first controlling the narrative of the day?
I understand but it was amalgamed and formulated by all, be they east or west after the civil war, who leapt at the chance to be on team Empire rather than Kingdom.BTW, occurred in the east, not the west.
I agree, yes it did. Thankfully, we have the record of the foundation of truth which was the basis of the movement which followed the two commandments and later morphed into another religion of human construct. But those books accepted and rejected were not direct dictation from God, nor were they untainted by the cultural and political climate of the days of both their writings and of course the era of canonization. Man taints everything but thankfully God knows how to forward His truth enclosed in the truths of man and in using the Gentiles His truths were forwarded, not in the religion, but in the scriptures hopefully til the end of the age of the Gentiles. Isn't it amazing how hypocrisy of man in comparison to God's truth can cast a glaring light on our backwards ways.The canon came together centuries after some idealized notion of the “original pre-gentile church”, despite any all too human weaknesses, limitations, and sin of those involved,
Not. No worries though. YHVH in charge. YHVH accomodated/orchestrated/brought to completion the so-called canon. History of the Baptist, revealing history beginning in the first century, reveals the accomplishment long before manmade religion got involved at all, and like Scripture, inspired by YHVH without man's mess.I agree, yes it did.
How does a newborn baby know it is alive ?How can we know if we actually believe and it's not just a mere profession of faith held in our neurons?
How can we know we truly experienced the Holy Spirit and not our consciousness making the experience?
Do you believe God is able to save rational men ?And how do we know if the dictionary and definitions have been changed by satan or someone?
Is it bad that I am such a fierce rationalist, like Rene Descartes?
I don't know. I thought/think most rational men accept mankinds ways (by definition), thus the blind leading the blind and they all fall in the pit.Is it not ironic that a rational man rejects mankind's ways? Therein lies salvation.
Yes, it they follow man's definition of rational. That's the whole point, there are two sides and some follow the Kingdom's definition. Repentance is rejecting man's definition, is it not?I thought/think most rational men accept mankinds ways (by definition), thus the blind leading the blind and they all fall in the pit.
No!. Look it up.Yes, it they follow man's definition of rational. That's the whole point, there are two sides and some follow the Kingdom's definition. Repentance is rejecting man's definition, is it not?
Imaginative. I'll say that at least. If you were to explore the history of those past times. you'd find that Constantine's Edict of Milan legitimized Christianity, while also giving freedom to most other religions to practice their beliefs. But Christianity took hold and grew and he favored it as well and it appeared for a time that the Kingdom of God might actually be realized here on earth. When the Roman Empire fell Catholicism was the one common thread, the fabric that held the now fragmented society together, now politically divided into city states and kingdoms. They were harsher times, not so nice, and the church was politically involved for the good of society and for its own survival and yet...managed to keep intact its treasure, its teachings, from the beginning, in fact. When Constantine helped convene a council to address the Arian controversy that was already threatening to tear the Christian world apart, the bishops actually voted against Arianism which he, if anything, seemed to favor. Other councils would follow during the ensuing centuries, all avowing and protecting and clarifying the true faith while the messy and mundane and often dangerous business of living in this world also continued on.I understand but it was amalgamed and formulated by all, be they east or west after the civil war, who leapt at the chance to be on team Empire rather than Kingdom.
I agree, yes it did. Thankfully, we have the record of the foundation of truth which was the basis of the movement which followed the two commandments and later morphed into another religion of human construct. But those books accepted and rejected were not direct dictation from God, nor were they untainted by the cultural and political climate of the days of both their writings and of course the era of canonization. Man taints everything but thankfully God knows how to forward His truth enclosed in the truths of man and in using the Gentiles His truths were forwarded, not in the religion, but in the scriptures hopefully til the end of the age of the Gentiles. Isn't it amazing how hypocrisy of man in comparison to God's truth can cast a glaring light on our backwards ways.
The focus should be on His truths regarding the Kingdom rather than the religion or the churches of man, should they not? Discernment. Kingdom first. How can an institution of man teach against the institutions of man as God had wished? They can't, but the literature can and does, even what was canonized to support the anti-Kingdom movement of the day allowing the focus to be put on the Messenger rather than the message. We can be thankful yes that truth was preserved in the darkness, that death need not rule over man any more, and the doors were opened for direct contact with the one true God rather than the adversarial god of this world.
Being born again is transcending what man has created and calls good.
What's amazing is that God can and does use man as His hands and feet despite our limitations, weaknesses, and sin.Isn't it amazing how hypocrisy of man in comparison to God's truth can cast a glaring light on our backwards ways.
Which exactly was my point about the rebellious church. Truth about His Kingdom was preserved in the scripture forwarded.What's amazing is that God can and does use man as His hands and feet despite our limitations, weaknesses, and sin.
Truth, Scripture, was not helped by the counterfeit church nor any organized groop of hoomans.Which exactly was my point about the rebellious church. Truth about His Kingdom was preserved in the scripture forwarded.
And yet no one transcends it in the ultimate sense or perfectly IOW in this life.Being born again is transcending what man has created and calls good.
It's not a rebellious Church even as rebellion (sin) continues to have its way in all individuals to one degree or another in this life. What I was saying is that the church produced much more good fruit than assembling the canon of Scripture-and assembling that canon in no way assured that everyone who picks it up and reads it will necessarily fully understand it anyway. Again, despite humans sin and imperfection God works in and through man. That's the only way it can work, in fact, if any of us are to be able to know an do His will.Which exactly was my point about the rebellious church. Truth about His Kingdom was preserved in the scripture forwarded.
WisdomIf that is the case, you are closer now than you've ever been. While you are seeking you are being sought.......while you are calling, there is One who is knocking. While you are speaking there is a small voice trying to be heard.
So it seems that in my desperation and mad search to find........I was being followed by the one I sought. Being pursued by the one I was chasing. For he is not far from us.
There comes a time when we must be still. Speak Lord, they servant heareth.
Yes, He's happy when we repent, happier yet when we love, happiest when we're perfected in love which won't happen fully until the nexr life-and somehow I think that may well be an eternal exercise of sorts.Seems He is happy with our understanding our ways are backwards and we want to repent.
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