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Suggesting animal instinct... flesh vs spirit. Jesus was said to not have been conceived by way of animal instinct.Psalm 51:5 Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity,
And in sin my mother conceived me.
Yet comes with animal instincts hard wired in
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Yet comes with animal instincts hard wired in
But only humans know it and use it to their advantage
By using it to advantage I meant they purposely know when they take advantage of others for selfish gain.. you know stealing, adultery, murder, politics etcThe whole purpose of animal instinct is to provide them with the basic knowledge they need to survive and reproduce. So every animal that has natural instinct uses it to its advantage. When an animal instinctively knows to run away from a predator it’s to its advantage. When an animal knows instinctively how to hunt its prey it’s to its advantage.
By using it to advantage I meant they purposely know when they take advantage of others for selfish gain.. you know stealing, adultery, murder, politics etc
No one knows. There could in fact be another rebellion. If one third of the angels rebelled there's nothing stopping another third from rebelling. And it goes on and on and on.
Ecc 1:10 Is there anything of which one can say, “Look! This is something new”? It was here already, long ago; it was here before our time.
What is stopping another fall? Why are Christians promised ETERNAL life if God is just going to recreate everything and give us bodies like Adam and Eve had? To me it makes no sense that you can have free will over God's sovereignty because what is stopping another human being, angel, or other created being from wanting power? If our will is free in the Arminian sense, there is NOTHING stopping another fall because Adam and Eve were created perfect as well. The only reason they were allowed to sin was because God decreed it. God decrees no sin forever, than there will be no more sin forever.
What about Theosis? It is necessary so that we can experience the close proximity of God, the burning fire of His love, as love, and not as wrath, but I had the sense in reading the Orthodox literature that in the process of Theosis, wherein in our salvation we shall be made more exalted than Adam, it would likely greatly reduce the chance of one of us then going on to permanently wage war against God in the World to Come.
I also recall reading in Eastern Orthodox works of angelology that the angels have already exercised their free will one way or the other.
Also, there is one other point, but I must clarify a matter with the OP:
By Heaven, I take it you mean the World to Come after the General Resurrection and the Last Judgement? As opposed to the place of rest and delight of our souls between the death and resurrection of our bodies?
If so, this takes us to my next point, that being at the Last Judgement, I think Christ Pantocrator would condemn those who would disrupt the peace of the righteous and the loving Eucharistic reunion between God and Man in the tranquility of the world to come.
By Heaven, I take it you mean the World to Come after the General Resurrection and the Last Judgement? As opposed to the place of rest and delight of our souls between the death and resurrection of our bodies?
We are born condemned (Romans 5:18), we are not born innocent.Those verses are not exclusive to newborns. They say that we will sin not that we had sinned immediately after birth.
Ww are born condemned (Romans 5:18), we are not born innocent.
Are you referring to Abraham’s Bosom here? I was under the impression that Abraham’s Bosom was emptied after Christ’s crucifixion. Or at least that what I speculate.
The word “born” is nowhere in that passage nor is it in the surrounding context.
“So then as through one transgression there resulted condemnation to all men, (WHY? Because they had sinned) even so through one act of righteousness there resulted justification of life to all men.”
Romans 5:18 NASB1995
Okay, now what about“Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned”
Romans 5:12 NASB1995
I don’t see this pertaining to newborns. Nothing says that a newborn has yet committed any sin. Would you say they must repent and believe or are all newborns who die just condemned to the lake of fire automatically?
What was at least partially emptied after His crucifixion was the realm of the dead, which some call Hades, in what is referred to as The Harrowing of Hell in traditional Christian doctrine.
By using it to advantage I meant they purposely know when they take advantage of others for selfish gain.. you know stealing, adultery, murder, politics etc
Okay, now what about
"sin (the cause of death, Romans 6:23) is not taken into account when there is no law. . .nevertheless, before the law was given. . .death reigned over those (from Adam to Moses) who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam" (Romans 5:13-14).
When you explain Romans 5:12-15 in consistency with itself (no contradictions of itself), being true to its words, and in agreement with the rest of the NT,
you will have your demonstration that the sin/guilt of Adam is imputed at birth to all those born of (the first) Adam (we were made sinners, Romans 5:19),
making sinful Adam the pattern (Romans 5:14) of the righteous Christ (the second Adam),
whose righteousness is imputed at re-birth to all those born of Christ (we were made righteous, Romans 5:19).
And you will see these contrasting imputations of sin and righteousness paralleled in Romans 5:18-19, where we are made sinners, and we are made righteous, through no deeds of our own.
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