How can the grace of God be resisted by some yet received by others?

[ToBeLoved]

Although we are under grace, we are also under the law of Yahuwah and the ten commandments. We must work out our salvation daily with reverence and trembling. You can't have faith without works or living an unfruitful life because we are supposed to bear the fruits of the Spirit and vice versa with having works but no faith. Faith and works coincide with one another just like you cannot have a physical body without a soul to complete yourself. The one who bears bad fruit will be cut down. Lukewarms will also receive the same fate. The fruit you bare defines who you are. We must be holy as Yah is holy.

I don't know where you get this theology from but it is wrong. One cannot be under two covenants with God at the same time.

The Old Covenant (Law, 10 Commandments) was in effect UNTIL Jesus death.
The New Covenant is now in effect.

You are not under the law my friend. You are under the grace of Jesus Christ. This is very important doctrine to understand. It will trip you up reading the Bible for the rest of your life if you do not understand the difference.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Although we are under grace, we are also under the law of Yahuwah and the ten commandments. We must work out our salvation daily with reverence and trembling. You can't have faith without works or living an unfruitful life because we are supposed to bear the fruits of the Spirit and vice versa with having works but no faith. Faith and works coincide with one another just like you cannot have a physical body without a soul to complete yourself. The one who bears bad fruit will be cut down. Lukewarms will also receive the same fate. The fruit you bare defines who you are. We must be holy as Yah is holy.

What are the fruit of the Spirit? It is very particular doctrine.

Also, the fruit of the Spirit are not works. They are the fruit that we will bare BECAUSE we have the Holy Spirit indwelling us. God Himself. It is not a work.

 

[bottomofsandal]

Although we are under grace, we are also under the law of Yahuwah and the ten commandments. We must work out our salvation daily with reverence and trembling. You can't have faith without works or living an unfruitful life because we are supposed to bear the fruits of the Spirit and vice versa with having works but no faith. Faith and works coincide with one another just like you cannot have a physical body without a soul to complete yourself. The one who bears bad fruit will be cut down. Lukewarms will also receive the same fate. The fruit you bare defines who you are. We must be holy as Yah is holy.

When on the earth, Jesus spoke about The 10 Commandments. We are told by Jesus that looking with lust IS adultery. In John 13:34, Jesus gives s a new commandment and tells us to love one another as He loved us! Jesus told us that He fulfilled The Law.


The Law cannot save, but grace will save.

 

[Marvin Knox]

Although we are under grace, we are also under the law of Yahuwah and the ten commandments. We must work out our salvation daily with reverence and trembling. You can't have faith without works or living an unfruitful life because we are supposed to bear the fruits of the Spirit and vice versa with having works but no faith. Faith and works coincide with one another just like you cannot have a physical body without a soul to complete yourself. The one who bears bad fruit will be cut down. Lukewarms will also receive the same fate. The fruit you bare defines who you are. We must be holy as Yah is holy.

What you are preaching is basically the same gospel as EmSw, Jason, and a host of other contributors here.

What you are preaching is salvation by works rather than grace and it's very plain for all to see.

No one doubts or preaches that we do not work out our salvation day to day or that works will follow true faith.

But when you add to the grace of God which most of us here have believed for salvation you are preaching a different gospel. It is the gospel preached and followed by some of the Galatians and it was roundly condemned by God and Paul.

I would not dream of categorically saying that you are not saved or anything that harsh. But I will say that your status appears to be on some pretty thin ice as related to your being justified before God on the day you meet Him face to face.

You won't be alone if you are told on that day that He never knew you.

Hopefully and prayerfully that will not be your fate.

Time will tell I suppose.

 

[EmSw]

What you are preaching is basically the same gospel as EmSw, Jason, and a host of other contributors here.

What you are preaching is salvation by works rather than grace and it's very plain for all to see.

No one doubts or preaches that we do not work out our salvation day to day or that works will follow true faith.

Show us where Jesus said anything about salvation by grace. Look long and hard, Marvin. When you find it, please share.

I can show you that eternal life is by keeping His commandments. But, you don't believe this, so why should anyone listen to you?

But when you add to the grace of God which most of us here have believed for salvation you are preaching a different gospel. It is the gospel preached and followed by some of the Galatians and it was roundly condemned by God and Paul.

It's not the Gospel Jesus preached. So, who is preaching another gospel? If it is, please show us Marvin. Your search will be in vain.

I would not dream of categorically saying that you are not saved or anything that harsh. But I will say that your status appears to be on some pretty thin ice as related to your being justified before God on the day you meet Him face to face.

You won't be alone if you are told on that day that He never knew you.

Hopefully and prayerfully that will not be your fate.

Time will tell I suppose.

Noah, you aren't on this ice. Just because some here don't believe Jesus' words, I pray you will follow His words and do what He says. He has the words of life, not man.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

What you are preaching is basically the same gospel as EmSw, Jason, and a host of other contributors here.

Unofficially, it seems they are inflexible, and unlearnable so far, as far as several of us have noted; and all we could do was put them on ignore.

I don't know if anyone has found out what 'school' or 'church group' (if any/ ) they belong to , or if they have said,
but some of them are very dependent on it and cannot give it up no matter what anyone says or reveals from Y'SHUA or from SCRIPTURE.

 

[EmSw]

Unofficially, it seems they are inflexible, and unlearnable so far, as far as several of us have noted; and all we could do was put them on ignore.

I don't know if anyone has found out what 'school' or 'church group' (if any/ ) they belong to , or if they have said,
but some of them are very dependent on it and cannot give it up no matter what anyone says or reveals from Y'SHUA or from SCRIPTURE.

Are Jesus' words foolishness to you also? Do you really believe what scripture reveals? You talk a mighty big talk, jeff.

BTW, I was born and raised in the 'non-predestination' Lutheran church.

 

[Marvin Knox]

Show us where Jesus said anything about salvation by grace. Look long and hard, Marvin. When you find it, please share.

"For by grace you are saved through faith, and this not of yourselves; it is the gift God not of works, so that o one can boast." Ephesians 2:8-9

 

[EmSw]

"For by grace you are saved through faith, and this not of yourselves; it is the gift God not of works, so that o one can boast." Ephesians 2:8-9

Good try Marvin, but you dodged what I asked. Let me put it in bold, so you can see it.

SHOW US WHERE JESUS SAID WE ARE SAVED BY GRACE! PLEASE NOTICE, I SAID WHERE JESUS SAID IT.

 

[bottomofsandal]

Good try Marvin, but you dodged what I asked. Let me put it in bold, so you can see it.

SHOW US WHERE JESUS SAID WE ARE SAVED BY GRACE! PLEASE NOTICE, I SAID WHERE JESUS SAID IT.

The Bible is God's Holy Word.

Any mention of grace in The Bible is from The Father, The Son, The Holy Spirit.

Are you limiting Jesus' teaching to His 33 years on earth?

The ENTIRE Bible is God's Word and it is full of grace.


What other truths do you diismiss so cavalierly?

 

[EmSw]

The Bible is God's Holy Word.

Any mention of grace in The Bible is from The Father, The Son, The Holy Spirit.

Are you limiting Jesus' teaching to His 33 years on earth?

The ENTIRE Bible is God's Word and it is full of grace.

What other truths do you diismiss so cavalierly?

Perhaps you didn't understand my question. But that's what I expect from you.

 

[bottomofsandal]

Perhaps you didn't understand my question. But that's what I expect from you.

You just didn't like the answer!

Grace is in The Bible...why do you keep pretending it isn't?

If we are not saved by grace, the alternative must be works.


The Pharisees were experts in law, not grace, mercy, or love.

You pov seems to embrace The Pharisee position which Jesus condemned.


Why do you follow the laws of man and not the commands of The King of Kings?

Have you not read John 13:34? Do you understand what The Lord wants from us?

The law of The Kingdom is the law of love!


Is there lawkeeping in Heaven? No. What then wil lawkeepers do?

Is there love in Heaven? Yes. God's love endures forever.

Your are kicking against the goads brother...The Law was fulfilled in Christ!

 

[Marvin Knox]

Show us where Jesus said anything about salvation by grace. Look long and hard, Marvin. When you find it, please share.

"For by grace you are saved through faith, and this not of yourselves; it is the gift God not of works, so that o one can boast." Ephesians 2:8-9

Good try Marvin, but you dodged what I asked. Let me put it in bold, so you can see it.

SHOW US WHERE JESUS SAID WE ARE SAVED BY GRACE! PLEASE NOTICE, I SAID WHERE JESUS SAID IT.

"For by grace you are saved through faith, and this not of yourselves; it is the gift God not of works, so that o one can boast." Ephesians 2:8-9

 

[EmSw]

You just didn't like the answer!

Grace is in The Bible...why do you keep pretending it isn't?

I never said grace wasn't in the Bible. I said Jesus never told us we are saved by grace.

If we are not saved by grace, the alternative must be works.

Are you one of those who believes a dead faith saves?

The Pharisees were experts in law, not grace, mercy, or love.

You pov seems to embrace The Pharisee position which Jesus condemned.

Jesus never condemned the law. NEVER! He condemned those who made their own interpretations of the law.

Why do you follow the laws of man and not the commands of The King of Kings?

Have you not read John 13:34? Do you understand what The Lord wants from us?

The law of The Kingdom is the law of love!

I follow the laws of God. Is that a problem?

Yes, I have read John 13:34. Have you read Luke 10?

27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.

Do you realize this is the OT law? How about that, Jesus said do this and you will live. Amazing what one finds if he only searches.

Is there lawkeeping in Heaven? No. What then wil lawkeepers do?

Is there love in Heaven? Yes. God's love endures forever.

Your are kicking against the goads brother...The Law was fulfilled in Christ!

So you think Heaven is a lawless place for lawlessness? Did you not know love is part of the OT law? Perhaps you didn't know this.

Yes, the law was fulfilled in Christ, and it must be fulfilled by us.

Perhaps you haven't read this either -

Matthew 5
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Many think Jesus came to abolish the law - NOT SO! In fact, He says not jot or tittle will pass (away) until ALL is fulfilled. Certainly, not ALL is fulfilled.

Then He tells us this (listen carefully) - whosoever shall DO and TEACH the commandments (the law) shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

I think I'm in pretty good company with Jesus. Don't you think so?

 

[EmSw]

"For by grace you are saved through faith, and this not of yourselves; it is the gift God not of works, so that o one can boast." Ephesians 2:8-9

"For by grace you are saved through faith, and this not of yourselves; it is the gift God not of works, so that o one can boast." Ephesians 2:8-9

That's what I thought, you can't. You are acting as if Paul is your savior, Marvin. You need to read and do what the Savior Himself says. For His words are life.

Have you found the narrow path which leads to life yet? This is the true Gospel preached by Jesus. Better listen and heed His words before it's too late. Don't put your trust in man.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

You just didn't like the answer!

Grace is in The Bible...why do you keep pretending it isn't?

A lot of doctrines of a lot of religions all over the world don't accept some things the BIBLE says plainly to others.

 

[EmSw]

A lot of doctrines of a lot of religions all over the world don't accept some things the BIBLE says plainly to others.

Like these jeff -

James 4:6
But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.

1 Peter 5:5
Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all of you be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble.

Is this plain enough for you to believe? Do you accept these truths?

 

[bottomofsandal]

I never said grace wasn't in the Bible. I said Jesus never told us we are saved by grace.



Are you one of those who believes a dead faith saves?



Jesus never condemned the law. NEVER! He condemned those who made their own interpretations of the law.



I follow the laws of God. Is that a problem?

Yes, I have read John 13:34. Have you read Luke 10?

27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.

Do you realize this is the OT law? How about that, Jesus said do this and you will live. Amazing what one finds if he only searches.



So you think Heaven is a lawless place for lawlessness? Did you not know love is part of the OT law? Perhaps you didn't know this.

Yes, the law was fulfilled in Christ, and it must be fulfilled by us.

Perhaps you haven't read this either -

Matthew 5
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Many think Jesus came to abolish the law - NOT SO! In fact, He says not jot or tittle will pass (away) until ALL is fulfilled. Certainly, not ALL is fulfilled.

Then He tells us this (listen carefully) - whosoever shall DO and TEACH the commandments (the law) shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

I think I'm in pretty good company with Jesus. Don't you think so?

You agreed with nearly everything I said except for grace...


It is bizarre that you believe love is lawkeeping.

You are conflating 2 polar opposite concepts.

The love of God is poured out into our hearts by The Holy Spirit...it is not lawkeeping


You may be struggling and working hard now to keep the law, ordinances, and commandments-

But, in Heaven we will not be striving to obey the law as you mistakenly teach.

 

[EmSw]

You agreed with nearly everything I said except for grace...

It is bizarre that you believe love is lawkeeping.

You are conflating 2 polar opposite concepts.

The love of God is poured out into our hearts by The Holy Spirit...it is not lawkeeping

You may be struggling and working hard now to keep the law, ordinances, and commandments-

But, in Heaven we will not be striving to obey the law as you mistakenly teach.

What Bible are you reading?

Mark 12:30
And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.

Mark 12:31
And the second is like, namely this, thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

John 13:34
A new commandment I give unto you, that ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Romans 13:8
Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.

Romans 13:10
Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Galatians 5:14
For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

I wonder why some do not even know what the Bible says when they make such statements as yours.

 

[tatteredsoul]

Is the grace of God irresistible as the "I" in TULIP proclaims?

No.

What enables some men to receive the grace of God unto salvation?

God

OTOH, what prevents some men from receiving God's grace?

Predetermination of God, not to be confused with a violation of will.

Everything that WILL happen has ALREADY happened. What we are living now is a time-dependent event-based existence that is meant to help us understand our decisions from the foundations.

Christ is before He was.

The prophets are known by God before they were human. They were chosen by Him from the foundations of the world.

Anyone who has rejected God permanently does so because they did so since the foundations.


This is silly sounding, until one really meditates on the fact that time does not exist - that it is a measure of change in events.