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And you realize that just because God knows all does not mean that He has decided the outcome of each person's life.Revelation of YHWH'S PLAN: You do realize that YHWH knew everything before creating anything , right ? YHWH knew everything from beginning to end about everything and everyone who ever exists, before HE created all the universe and the earth and life.
No worries.I'm sorry but you have no scripture to support what you say and much of it doesn't make sense as we are discussing a certain topic in the Bible and not the entire Bible itself.
I'm not sure that you are following the thread.
HE schedules everyone's life PERFECTLY. No, not everyone (an understatement)And you realize that just because God knows all does not mean that He has decided the outcome of each person's life.
People /sinful men/ define predestining differently amongst themselves.Knowing is not the same as predestining some to hell. Can you understand that? Free-will was shown in the garden that God allowed Adam & Eve to disobey Him.
Sounds like you are not a Calvinist, yet you are agreeing with some of their posts. Confusing.HE schedules everyone's life PERFECTLY. No, not everyone (an understatement)
learns or goes along with HIS schedule OR HIS PLAN(in Y'SHUA). They have free will and HE never forces them to go against their will, nor coerces their will.
HE KNOWS THE OUTCOME of everyone; of every person's life.
HE HAS ALWAYS KNOWN the outcome of every person's life.
There is no exception.
People /sinful men/ define predestining differently amongst themselves.
That is nothing to determine or test or judge anything by.
YHWH knew perfectly well every ADAM and HAVAH (EVE) were going to do.
HE knows perfectly well everything you and I were ever going to do , or did.
Nothing escapes HIS PERFECT WISDOM AND KNOWING.
It may surprise you that even the scribes and pharisees got some things right.Sounds like you are not a Calvinist, yet you are agreeing with some of their posts. Confusing.
But I agree with you that God knows the outcome of all of our lives. God does not have a past, present and future. That is our understanding because on earth we have time.
Why are you on a thread that is debating Calvinist doctrine then? Would seem that you would have a position either way.It may surprise you that even the scribes and pharisees got some things right.
So why shouldn't the ones you call 'calvinist' get some things (or more) right ?
I don't care to know what 'calvinist' nor 'armenians' nor any group per se posts,
because it is not vital nor important here, and anyway cannot be addressed properly if something is wrong with it, unless they post something specifically that is apparently in error, right ?
I am glad you are actually reading the posts now (and earlier), and can tell that I am not speaking nor posting as a calvinist, but simply from the BIBLE and the GOSPEL of Y'SHUA(JESUS).
Some of what you post I agree with. Does that surprise the calvinists? I don't know - I actually have no idea of anything specific.
Just noticed the last part of the post, just now after typing all this previous 'till here:
"That is our understanding because on earth we have time."
This distinction is perhaps very critical to at least accept , "by FAITH"? in Y'SHUA,
and seeking HIS TRUTH, as always.
Not at all.Why are you on a thread that is debating Calvinist doctrine then? Would seem that you would have a position either way. I guess your just walking in the middle of the road then.
Everyone seeking TRUTH finds it.
Not too many on earth ever find TRUTH.
It is a paradox and a tragedy and a dilemma and vexing.
Only if they accept deception. (if they keep on seeking TRUTH (Y'SHUA) , eventually they learn the TRUTH.Though a lot of times people seek truth and come to a different view of what the truth is.
Only if they accept deception.
Not at all.
When Y'SHUA was in a crowd,
and when PAUL or the APOSTLES were between scribes and pharisees,
or at athens, or in any group of people,
what did they speak ? They did not take sides.
Not even "I am of PAUL" nor "I am of Apollos" nor even (SURPRISE) "I am of Christ" !!
The dear brother has contributed substantially to the thread!Why are you on a thread that is debating Calvinist doctrine then?
Did the Apostles take the side of YHWH and Y'SHUA,Paul definately took sides when others were coming into the churches preaching a false gospel.
I might have replied to this already,And you realize that just because God knows all does not mean that He has decided the outcome of each person's life.
This is what he was supposed to do.Paul took sides when Peter wouldn't eat with the Gentiles. Paul called Peter out publically.
What about those moments?And what about when all the apostles got together to talk about if Gentiles needed to follow Jewish religious holidays or not?
There are moments. They were not perfect
Good question.How can we be absolutely certain what is truth and that we are not deceived?
Jesus gave Paul the words to write. We have just discussed Jesus words in John. At this point you are openly rejecting God's word. There is nothing more to say when you reject God's word to maintain an errant theology.
First off: I am using the parable to better define “dead” when deity or the Bible talk about death other than physical death.
In the parable the father even after knowing the son was physically alive calls the young son dead, so this would be some form of “spiritual” death. While spiritual dead according to Jesus the young son came to his senses and turned to the father.
I also do not go along with the doctrine of original sin where even an unborn baby is a sinner, so we all start out as children of God (as Paul described us), but we are the children of who we obey, so when we start sinning we become children of satan.
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