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How can the grace of God be resisted by some yet received by others?

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bottomofsandal said:
God loves different people differently.

---doesn't God love Jesus more than us?
---doesn't God love the devil less than us?
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This seems to me to be a rather odd direction to take this.

We are talking about human beings and the creation of earth and human beings. Why you would compare God's love for His Son to His love for us is puzzling. Then, why you would compare the love of God for human beings to what He feels for Satan, who is another creation of angels, is puzzling also.

Please start another thread for these two other positions if you would like to discuss them, but I really don't see how you can think them relevant to whether God loves all of His human creation or not.

Is there a point here?
 
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I think you miss the point of John 14:23. The primary reference is to salvation and faith, at which time we become a Child of God and are given the Holy Spirit.

Now how does this show that God hates those who do not believe?

I don't need your opinions or summizations. Give clear, relevant scripture please.
 
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I have provided text after text. Apparently you reject the text. I cannot help you read and comprehend.
Go along and be your own king if that is what you wish.
 
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ToBeLoved said:
I'm still waiting for @MennoSota to provide scripture.

You are more than welcome to join in the conversation but you should explain your position if you'd like to join and the verses that support it.
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I already provided scripture. You seemingly reject what I have provided.
 
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I think everyone following this thread can read what you posted.

Now how does this say that God hates those who are not His Children?

That is what you said and this is NOT proof of that statement.

Just because God disciplines His Own, does not mean He hates the others.

Try again.

*BUMP*
 
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I already answered this. Go back and read it.
 
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MennoSota said:
You imagine God to be arbitrary because you are forcing your rules on God.
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I in no way image God to be arbitrary, what you describes to be God’s selection method for the elect is definitely an arbitrary selection (there is no difference between those He selected and those He did not select). How is it not arbitrary, other than saying it is not arbitrary because “you think” God did it this way.

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It is YOU who demands to be on the throne and in control. YOU want a passive God who grants your wishes. When you choose Him for salvation, you want to thank Him for doing you bidding as though he were your own dog to command.
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Wow! That is a little inflammatory and certainly not what I am doing. Without my asking God is offering tons of unbelievable wonderful gifts, but I do have to “trust” (believe) enough that He might help me in order for me to humbly accept His free unconditional pure charity.

I did not make any challenging choice to accept, since the alternative was to continue suffering in the pains of my sins (the pigsty of this life) until I die.




Yes, I do believe in the servant Messiah who was willing to wash Judas’ feet. Would you be like Peter and refuse to be waited on?

Was Jesus showing weakness when He washed the feet of the disciples?

Jesus is the way God is and God is doing all He can to help His willing children fulfill their earthly objective.

The glory of Deity is seen with Jesus on the cross and not way off somewhere.

Again, it is not me whom God is answering to, but He is limited to His own character and must be who He is and I am only describing what God is like especially through the example Jesus left us with.
 
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bling said:
(there is no difference between those He selected and those He did not select)
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There is a difference or actually many difference(s) listed all through SCRIPTURE (YHWH'S WORD).
Do you mean there's no difference shown or identified in what some brand or denomination says ?
 
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We are all filthy rags. Not one of us is better than the other and worthy of God's acceptance. Yes, God chose by His own will according to His purpose. He does not consult anyone else, nor does he ask you to "pretty please" pick Him off the pantheon God shelf.
You want to call it arbitrary. I call it Sovereign choice.


You would never call to God except that He made you alive first. Dead men cannot call to anyone. (Ephesians 2:1)

The prodigal son parable has no connection with salvation. You are forcing a meaning on the parable. You need to stop using false illustrations.



Again, another false illustration in regard to free will.
Jesus washing feet has nothing to do with His calling unregenerate sinners and raising them to eternal life.

Bling, there are no willing dead people (Ephesians 2:1). God must make us alive (Ephesians 2:4-5).

You ignore the attribute of Jesus character as Judge and King. Read Revelation to see what He will do with those whom He hates.

You seem to want a "Barney" Jesus, but the Bible never portrays Yeshua, Jesus in that light. You have a false impression of your God.
 
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Interesting how you must discredit his belief by putting in such a statement as "nor does he ask you to "pretty please" pick Him off the pantheon God shelf" to try to discredit his opinion and make yours seem more noble.

Psychology 101.

Just because you are loosing the debate, you should not feel like you need to degrade this brothers opinion or His belief in the Savior. Very telling words.
 
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MennoSota said:
You seem to want a "Barney" Jesus, but the Bible never portrays Yeshua, Jesus in that light. You have a false impression of your God.
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Wow, comparing the God of the Universe with "Barney". Praying for you and your mind. I would expect this from atheists, but a believer. SHAME.
 
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I am honest. Why are you arguing for the right to pick YHWH off the grocery store shelf of gods you might like?

Now, let's play your game. Provide a bible verse where the words free will are spoken. Go!
 
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MennoSota said:
I am honest. Why are you arguing for the right to pick YHWH off the grocery store shelf of gods you might like?
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No, I'm saying that you should not be saying something like that when he in no way has said anything that would give you that sort of summization of his beliefs. That is marginalizing another believer. You really should read what you write. Maybe step away from the keyboard for five minutes and reread again before pressing 'Reply'. Self control.
 
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That has been both his and your argument. You desperately want to choose God and then pat yourselves on the back for being so wise in picking YHWH.

Your argument has non biblical support.
 
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