yeshuaslavejeff
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Are parents of six children knowingly callous and sadistic ?
Just because 3 of them choose death,
and 3 choose life ?
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Are parents of six children knowingly callous and sadistic ?Doesn't this pov depict God as callous and sadistic by knowingly creating condemned men?
It is you who defines "divine hate" as being not Loving at all and wanting to send to hell, but I have shown with this verse that Deity can use the word "hate", for hating someone we can also Love with Godly type Love.
Does God love rebels who deliberately break his commands and desire to be their own sovereign? Or does he hate such people?
Will he destroy all rebels who attempt to stand against him?
You are making this huge error in thinking that there is anything within us that is loveable.
There is NOTHING loveable in humanity apart from Christ. Nothing. Toss out any and all imagination about your perceived innate goodness and loveability. You have none. You are a filthy rag worthy of throwing onto the trash heap and being burned. That is the very best you have to offer God. God is just in tossing every humanbeing into eternal hell. He is gracious and merciful if he chooses even one to make clean. He chooses according to his own will and apart from your opinion on the matter. Yes, our opinion means nothing to the Sovereign King. He chooses. He rules with all authority.
God displays love to those He chooses to redeem. He does not love sin and the unredeemed. He will toss filthy sinners onto the pile and burn them for eternity.
Does God love rebels who deliberately break his commands and desire to be their own sovereign? Or does he hate such people?
Will he destroy all rebels who attempt to stand against him?
You are making this huge error in thinking that there is anything within us that is loveable.
There is NOTHING loveable in humanity apart from Christ. Nothing. Toss out any and all imagination about your perceived innate goodness and loveability. You have none. You are a filthy rag worthy of throwing onto the trash heap and being burned. That is the very best you have to offer God. God is just in tossing every humanbeing into eternal hell. He is gracious and merciful if he chooses even one to make clean. He chooses according to his own will and apart from your opinion on the matter. Yes, our opinion means nothing to the Sovereign King. He chooses. He rules with all authority.
God displays love to those He chooses to redeem. He does not love sin and the unredeemed. He will toss filthy sinners onto the pile and burn them for eternity.
It took you understanding and becoming a Calvinist to come up with this bad doctrine?Does God love rebels who deliberately break his commands and desire to be their own sovereign? Or does he hate such people?
Will he destroy all rebels who attempt to stand against him?
You are making this huge error in thinking that there is anything within us that is loveable.
There is NOTHING loveable in humanity apart from Christ. Nothing. Toss out any and all imagination about your perceived innate goodness and loveability. You have none. You are a filthy rag worthy of throwing onto the trash heap and being burned. That is the very best you have to offer God. God is just in tossing every humanbeing into eternal hell. He is gracious and merciful if he chooses even one to make clean. He chooses according to his own will and apart from your opinion on the matter. Yes, our opinion means nothing to the Sovereign King. He chooses. He rules with all authority.
God displays love to those He chooses to redeem. He does not love sin and the unredeemed. He will toss filthy sinners onto the pile and burn them for eternity.
The "all" is not universal. The "all" refers to all God's adopted children. The illegitimate children (see Hebrews 12) are not counted in the word "all."What does it matter whether there is anything loveable in us in anyone else's opinion when Christ says He loved us first
God loves ALL His children. You got that wrong. God loves us all unconditionally. Each person that does not come to Him, grieves Him.
You've created your own God. One that hates some of His children.
God loves Yeshua. When God looks upon His chosen, adopted, children, He see's Yeshua's atonement and loves us.Just as we are to Love our enemies, God loves rebels like Saul before he began Paul.
Saul was rebelling against God when he went out persecuting Christians and God did not destroy him.
No not at all!!! Godly type Love is Loving those in spite of what they have done or will do. It is an unconditional Love (“God forgive them they know not what they do”). Godly type Love is not logical, nor can it be learned/developed/taught or made instinctive to the person (robotic).
There was nothing “lovable” about the prodigal son in the pigsty.
You are equating being Lovable (in some way deserving of salvation) with God’s Love for sinful man, which is not Godly type Love.
You are saying: “God displays love to those He chooses to redeem”, but they are just like those that are not redeemed (by your definition), so you are describing a very inconsistent (unfair/unjust) God.
The "all" is not universal. The "all" refers to all God's adopted children. The illegitimate children (see Hebrews 12) are not counted in the word "all."
God loves Yeshua. When God looks upon His chosen, adopted, children, He see's Yeshua's atonement and loves us.
When God looks on unregenerate humanity, He sees filthy rags to throw on the fire.
The sole reason a Christian is not tossed in the fire is because of Jesus substitutionary work and absolutely nothing else. We have nothing to boast about.
Why do you desire to boast about yourself by imagining that you chose God as though He were a product to be picked from the grocery store of gods?
My views are biblical. I have provided scripture after scripture within the context of the passages. You may reject God's word if you like. I will not.It took you understanding and becoming a Calvinist to come up with this bad doctrine?
You are saying: “God displays love to those He chooses to redeem”, but they are just like those that are not redeemed (by your definition), so you are describing a very inconsistent (unfair/unjust) God.
Hebrews 12:5-8I don't see any proof in Hebrews 12. Why don't you list the scripture?
Isaiah 64:1-6Why don't you see that God loves all of His creation.
God hates sin. Of course, but not the sinner.
Your changing the subject. You need to Biblically account for your words, scripture reference?
My views are biblical. I have provided scripture after scripture within the context of the passages. You may reject God's word if you like. I will not.
You said Hebrews 12 but I read it and there is nothing in the Chapter to support your point. So I asked for scripture, which you now won't produce?
Maybe just admit it's not there and half your scripture references are off subject.
If you had the verses you would produce them. Seems you do not.
In case you missed the scripture reference.Hebrews 12:5-8
[5]And have you forgotten the encouraging words God spoke to you as his children? He said, “My child, don’t make light of the lord’s discipline, and don’t give up when he corrects you.
[6]For the lord disciplines those he loves, and he punishes each one he accepts as his child.”
[7]As you endure this divine discipline, remember that God is treating you as his own children. Who ever heard of a child who is never disciplined by its father?
[8]If God doesn’t discipline you as he does all of his children, it means that you are illegitimate and are not really his children at all.
Notice that not "all" are His children. Some are illegitimate.
God knows His chosen children and he lovingly disciplines us.
Perhaps you are clueless to what 'hate' means.I am describing a Sovereign King who laughs at your accusations of Him.
Yes, we are exactly like those whom God has not redeemed. Ephesians 2:1 - We were dead. Yep, just like the non redeemed.
Ephesians 2:4-5 - But God...made us alive.
Yep, God chose from a pile of filthy rags who are all equally deserving of being burned up. His choice is His to make and our complaints regarding His choice are ignored by the Sovereign King.
Perhaps you are clueless as to what Sovereign King means. It means, the King is above the law and can do anything He wants to any subject. He has no obligation to act as you wish him to act. You can either hate Him for having that authority or you can bow in His presence. What say you about the King of Kings?
Is there a question in here...LOL?Well, you should be able to reconcile your POV with the rest of the Bible. Verses that show very clearly that Jesus wants ALL to come to Him and be saved.
You believe that God says one thing about who He is in the Bible and then is another when it comes to predestination? That makes no sense. So don't act like your claim is fully supported because it is not, unless God would lie. But then you would have even more issues.
Psalm 5:5, "The boastful shall not stand before Thine eyes; Thou dost hate all who do iniquity,"Perhaps you are clueless to what 'hate' means.
Who equivelates 'hate' with God being sovereign? You turn it around like I and others who disagree with a premise that you say do not respect Christ as King. Stay on topic please.
Now where are the verses that say God hates mankind until they are saved?
God loves Yeshua. When God looks upon His chosen, adopted, children, He see's Yeshua's atonement and loves us.
When God looks on unregenerate humanity, He sees filthy rags to throw on the fire.
The sole reason a Christian is not tossed in the fire is because of Jesus substitutionary work and absolutely nothing else. We have nothing to boast about.
Why do you desire to boast about yourself by imagining that you chose God as though He were a product to be picked from the grocery store of gods?
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