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So the high point of history was just plan B? The one point in time where God was most glorified was only in case Adam failed? I'm thinking not.I think when God created Adam & Eve with free-will He as a loving Father also created a plan for if Adam & Eve should choose to not listen to God's commands.
So no, I do not believe that the cross was predestined before Adam & Eve were created to happen. I believe that when God gave them free-will, He had decided how He would protect mankind if they chose wrongly.
I know what I believe. But you've made some vague statements that I felt needed exploring.I'll let you wonder and ponder.
I've explained much more than you sitting there asking questions with your dull answer. No Calvinists will explain themselves, because they have no idea what they believe.
I will leave you now, I have other important things to do than hold a one-sided conversation with someone more interested in winning an debate, than he is teaching what he believes to be right. Stay humble, Hammster.
Well, you think that God is the predestinator of evil. When God's Word says that God can ONLY give good things and that He is only fair, righteous, just and perfect.So the high point of history was just plan B? The one point in time where God was most glorified was only in case Adam failed? I'm thinking not.
What attributes of God would we not know of without the existence of sin?Well, you think that God is the predestinator of evil. When God's Word says that God can ONLY give good things and that He is only fair, righteous, just and perfect.
I'm sure you think that God also predestined Lucifer to rebel and take 1/3 of the angels with him. Because if God predestined evil on earth, He probably did the same and evil entered heaven.
The problem with your scenario is that God cannot be what the Bible says God is then. When God says that He is perfect, that means nothing. When God says He can only give good things, that is nothing. When God says that He is just, that means nothing.
You cannot reconcile your belief in predestination with the rest of the Bible, nor can you explain it in relation to the Bible, except to say God wanted it this way. Sorry, but that is a cop-out since the Bible doesn't support your theory.
How do you know that God didn't want the earth to be perfect? God needed additional 'glory' when all the angels sing 'Holy, Holy, Holy'. Yeah, what you say makes a lot of sense. Pfft.
How can God have predestined sin but not be a liar according to His Holy Word?What attributes of God would we not know of without the existence of sin?
Actually, there is only one fair thing for God to do, and that is for God to eternally punish us all.
What you are saying is that instead of punishing all the mass murderers, to be fair, if God chose to set one free, he would be morally obligated to set them all free. But there is no moral basis for that idea when it is God who is the omniscient judge.
Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden. One of you will say to me: “Then why does God still blame us? For who resists his will?” But who are you, O man, to talk back to God? “Shall what is formed say to him who formed it, ‘Why did you make me like this?’ ”Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for noble purposes and some for common use? (Romans 9:18-21, 1984 NIV)
Punishment is not based on God's desire, it is based on his grace and justice. Every person who has a sinful nature on Judgment Day will be punished. No exceptions.
Jesus died so that everyone who ever lived could choose to yield to God's lordship. Without his death, no one could make that choice. It would have been moral for God not to send his son to earth, but it was not immoral for him to do so. He chose the latter because he desired to save us all so much that he was even willing to die to do so. As a result, the sins of everyone who have ever lived have been forgiven by God—but that is a one-sided action (God's side, not a person's side).
Even though we are forgiven, God is not willing to override anyone's will (and never does). However it is still moral for him to command those that knew him to tell everyone about what he had done and the option they have. That he knew ahead of time what people would choose is irrelevant to the fact that people had (and still have) a choice.
Here we see a person's salvation is dependent upon another human and his own response to it:
But if you do warn the wicked man and he does not turn from his wickedness or from his evil ways, he will die for his sin; but you will have saved yourself. ... But if you do warn the righteous man not to sin and he does not sin, he will surely live because he took warning, and you will have saved yourself.” (Ezekiel 3:19,21, 1984 NIV)
We are shown that it is humans who cause the condemnation of a person in John 3:18, Romans 2:1, and Romans 14:22. We are born without righteousness before God and stand condemned due to the evil nature of our parents and ancestors.
I don't understand what you are referring to, so don't understand what you mean.
Not what God's Word says.Noah received undeserved kindness and mercy from God. Just like anyone else who God saves.
Now all of a sudden Lazarus has a free will to allow Jesus to resurrect him? lol.Hamm will tell you that he allowed God to save him the same way Lazarus allowed Jesus to resurrect him.
So God favors those who are good enough or spiritual enough or smart enough to believe. That is still discrimination.
Trust me, you don't know anything about Calvinism. Only what you've heard other anti-Calvinists inaccurately say.
free willIs the grace of God irresistible as the "I" in TULIP proclaims?
What enables some men to receive the grace of God unto salvation?
OTOH, what prevents some men from receiving God's grace?
Not what God's Word says.
Hebrews 11:7
“By faith Noah, being warned by God about things not yet seen, in reverence prepared an ark for the salvation of his household, by which he condemned the world, and became an heir of the righteousness which is according to faith.”
Genesis 7:1
1 And the Lord said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.
Now all of a sudden Lazarus has a free will to allow Jesus to resurrect him? lol.
You guys flip and flop and flip-flop.
Hint: Check the Bible before answering next time.The Bible is usually how the Holy Spirit teaches, unless of course you were predestined not to know God's Word.
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