How can RCs and Protestants reconcile

JohnDeereFan · Feb 11, 2009

Markus6 said:
That's a good trick too. You seem to be quite good at that: making claims without backing them up. How about you show us the context and why his interpretation was wrong and what the interpretation should be?

How about I follow Jesus' teachings not to throw pearls before swine?

Markus6 · Feb 11, 2009

JohnDeereFan said:
How about I follow Jesus' teachings not to throw pearls before swine?

Good point. One sentence dismissals are easier than doing any work.

katholikos · Feb 11, 2009

JohnDeereFan said:
How about I follow Jesus' teachings not to throw pearls before swine?

Start with this one: "Love thy neighbor as thyself"

LittleLambofJesus · Feb 11, 2009

katholikos said:
Thats quite an assumption. What makes you think I'm a Roman Rite Catholic? Do you even know the Rites that comprise the Catholic Church?

NOPE.....And don't care to know. This thread is about how Roman Catholicism can reconcile with the Protestants and all you have been doing is showing why your own Denomination is right and all others are wrong.......

John 11:48 "If-ever we may be be letting Him thus, all shall be believing in Him. And shall be coming the Romans and they shall be taking away/arousin <142> (5692) of Us and the Place and the Nation

Revelation 6:6 And I hear a voice in midst of the four living-ones saying: "choinex of grain/wheat a denari and three choinex of barleys/kriqhV <2915> a denari, and the oil and the wine no you should be injuring".

JohnDeereFan · Feb 11, 2009

katholikos said:
Yet you could not refute one of them

Honestly? I'm not really interested in refuting them.

I don't believe that you would accept anything I say, anyway.

In any event, Jesus is very clear not to present scripture to those who won't listen.

I think the fact that you don't even know the difference between the Gospel and the Lord's Prayer speaks for itself.

squint · Feb 11, 2009

ARBITER01 said:
You need to back up and regroup there marine, there is but one judge who will condemn.

Oh, back again? I think we both delineated WHO was WHO in that measure. YOU are on record. If you want to go back and cite it, please do so.

You really need to get past the habit of trying to wrongfully pin guilt on a person and hold it over their head, that is a very fleshly practice of yours for your age, ya know?

It was quite easy and a scripture I often use to show the differences in peoples beliefs. We very obviously have vastly different views of the SAME TEXT. I accept it exactly as written and in an encompassing manner that is beneficial to 'my neighbors.' I'd say your view is substantially different. And if you want to continue to deploy the false equations, that is also your gig.

I will remain on record for the belief that EVERYONE WHO LOVES knows God and is BORN OF GOD regardless of 'which version' of Jesus they have painted across their lips IF ANY.

God is not against LOVE nor will He be anytime soon.

Just because I'm not loving to a segment of people or actually really care about them at all, doesn't mean I harbor hate and condemnation for them.

You are certainly free to condemn your unsaved neighbors any way you are led to. I will see differently on this matter.

If GOD desires to save them HE will, it is not of me to step in HIS way, nor can I.

Great! Then why are you seeking to NOT love them IF this can potentially transpire?

Your ambition to just love everyone as your neighbor is yours, I can't do such things unless led by The Holy Spirit to do so.

Last time I checked we were supposed to love our neighbors and our enemies. Please bring me up to date if this changed on the re-writes.

Jesus cursed and condemned a big segment of folks because they attributed the works of The Holy Spirit to satan,

Did He?

John 5:22
For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son

John 8:15
Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man.

Should I ignore these verses in order to uphold what you think you see, or perhaps is JUDGMENT just a tad bit more complex of a subject matter than YOU are led to see?

you should have a talk with Him about that, He wasn't as loving as you seem to want folks to be.

Oh, I very very much agree that there is SURELY JUDGMENT, DAMNATION and WRATH.

But I am surely not IGNORANT of the OPEN FACT that Jesus showed us ALL very clearly that MANKIND is not alone in either flesh or in mind. And if I don't take those facts into account when I pick up judgment I AM going to have some missing components eh?

enjoy!

squint

JohnDeereFan · Feb 11, 2009

katholikos said:
Start with this one: "Love thy neighbor as thyself"

I do. That I disagree with Catholcism doesn't mean that I don't love Catholics.

Just out of curiousity, were you loving me when you repeatedly called me names and made false accusations against me?

I have to go now and, as I'm pretty sure this thread will be closed by the time I get back, I reckon you have the last word.

ARBITER01 · Feb 11, 2009

Markus6 said:
Good point. One sentence dismissals are easier than doing any work.

No, actually he is correct. Pearls is an aramaic idiom for bits of wisdom, and you don't just toss those out to folks that are hard of hearing and rebellious because they will just disregard them and get upset.

If he is dealing with a hardheaded person, then bibilically Jesus considers them swine. lol sorry, but truth is truth here.

katholikos · Feb 11, 2009

katholikos said:
Thats quite an assumption. What makes you think I'm a Roman Rite Catholic? Do you even know the Rites that comprise the Catholic Church?

LittleLambofJesus said:
NOPE.....And don't care to know.........

You really have no idea what you are talking about do you.

The Catholic Church is made up of many "Rites": Roman Rite, Marion Rite, Byzantine Rite, and many many more.

I am A Catholic. You said I was a "Roman" Catholic. If you do not know that I actually am Roman Rite, then you should not post that I am. Frankly, you should know what the heck you're talking about before you post.

BTW: What I have been doing is defending myself against the type of ignorance your post demonstrates

benedictaoo · Feb 11, 2009

simonthezealot said:
I always wondered about those who believed these words as the catholics do and yet weren't able to partake in the Lord supper because it hadn't been institued for at least another year later...What if they passed on before that???

Simon, the Eucharist was instituted at the Last Supper. What do you mean, a year later?

sunlover1 · Feb 11, 2009

squint said:
I will remain on record for the belief that EVERYONE WHO LOVES knows God and is BORN OF GOD regardless of 'which version' of Jesus they have painted across their lips IF ANY.

No Jesus, no love.

God is not against LOVE nor will He be anytime soon.

And nobody is implying that He is.
What is love?

katholikos · Feb 11, 2009

ARBITER01 said:
No, actually he is correct. Pearls is an aramaic idiom for bits of wisdom, and you don't just toss those out to folks that are hard of hearing and rebellious because they will just disregard them and get upset.

If he is dealing with a hardheaded person, then bibilically Jesus considers them swine. lol sorry, but truth is truth here.

First you must have them before you can toss them

ARBITER01 · Feb 11, 2009

squint said:
I will remain on record for the belief that EVERYONE WHO LOVES knows God and is BORN OF GOD regardless of 'which version' of Jesus they have painted across their lips IF ANY.

Sorry fella, but I don't have a universalist viewpoint as you seem to be manifesting here.

There will be folks go to hell because they were not saved, period. The bible is clear about it.

Sorry, lol

PujolsNonRoidHomerHitter · Feb 11, 2009

Some reconciliations will only happen when Jesus sets everything right. Until then we will fight and bicker about who's crow is the blackest.

Go Cards!

LittleLambofJesus · Feb 11, 2009

katholikos said:
You really have no idea what you are talking about do you.

The Catholic Church is made up of many "Rites": Roman Rite, Marion Rite, Byzantine Rite, and many many more.

I am A Catholic. You said I was a "Roman" Catholic. If you do not know that I actually am Roman Rite, then you should not post that I am. Frankly, you should know what the heck you're talking about before you post.

Well then, perhaps your own denomination needs to figure out how to reconcile itself first me thinks.

Luke 21:28 Beginning yet to-be-becoming these-things, up-bend!, and lift up! the heads of ye, thru-that is nearing the loosing/apo-lutrwsiV <629> of ye [Daniel 12/Reve 19,20]

Reve 9:11 and they are having on them a king, the messenger of the abyss, name to him to-Hebrew, abaddwn <3>, and in the Greecian name he is having apo-lluwn <623>. [Exodus 12:23/Luke 21:28]

Nadiine · Feb 11, 2009

Markus6 said:
If you are going to put it in quotes I'd agree with LLOJ. Post the full scripture, or at least a reference. I think we're talking about this verse:

This one does not say "nothing". It is also clear that in order to be in God's hand and so unsnatchable you must follow Jesus.

Other verses clearly show us that Christians are operating in God's
power, not our own power.
And in fact, when it's in our power, we see people falling away from
their faith.

I dont' at all believe they lost salvation, they never truly had it to
begin with.
Mat. 13 - no root took place, they had one of the bad soils that
the seed was planted in but nothing continued to live.

John 17 12"While I was with them, I was keeping them in Your name which You have given Me; and I guarded them and not one of them perished but the son of perdition, so that the Scripture would be fulfilled.

Romans 9:21
Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?

Ephesians 3:20

20 Now to Him who is able to do exceedingly abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that works in us,

Colossians 1:10-12

10 that you may walk worthy of the Lord, fully pleasing Him, being fruitful in every good work and increasing in the knowledge of God;
11 strengthened with all might, according to His glorious power, for all patience and longsuffering with joy; 1
2 giving thanks to the Father who has qualified us to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in the light.

God kept them in their genuine faith - it wasn't their own doing.
Even in Peter's failing, He wasn't lost & didn't remove Himself from
God's hand in his denial.

I think we tend to think that we're doing this all in our own
willpower, strength & ability or something...
God is doing ALL OF IT thru us - even providing our WILL to
continue in Him.
We don't even have that outside ourselves.

squint · Feb 11, 2009

sunlover1 said:
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No Jesus, no love.

I find no difference between the Two.

God is Love. Jesus Is God. Love Is God. Kinda all works out pretty good.

And nobody is implying that He is.

Great! Then you get the picture?

What is love?

Who Is Love? Our Lord!

Love is OF and FROM God. Everyone who LOVES knows God, is born OF God and GOD Himself LIVES in them.

enjoy!

squint

ARBITER01 · Feb 11, 2009

sunlover1 said:
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No Jesus, no love.

Exactly.

Without GOD is but self love, which doesnt do any good anyways, it is humanistic in quality.

katholikos · Feb 11, 2009

JohnDeereFan said:
Honestly? I'm not really interested in refuting them....

TRANSLATION: You can't refute what I said

Uphill Battle · Feb 11, 2009

Katholikos, as wrong as I believe JohnDeere has been, I believe that the extra hostility on your part only serves to make it worse, not better.

Just advice.

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