How can RCs and Protestants reconcile

[JohnDeereFan]

John 6:53 "So Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in yourselves."

You're starting to repeat yourself.

 

[squint]

My request (actually more of a demand) has to include both sides. I see condemnation from both sides being a large stumbling block. No one has to agree with the other's position but we will stop flaming each other.

I will ask again...aren't positions that openly condemn other people who disagree with those positions to potentially burn alive forever OVERTLY PERSONALLY FLAMING?

hello! There doesn't seem to be much greater measure of PERSONAL FLAMING than that!

Yet this is what the BULK of christian theology consists of.

enjoy!

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[JohnDeereFan]

He just posted scripture and you dismissed it.

I didn't dismiss it at all. I simply pointed out that by responding to the question of how one is saved by posting that verse, he is saying that we must partake of the Catholic eucharist in order to be saved.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

John 6:53 "So Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in yourselves."

For the record I DENY the real presence of the Roman eucharist

http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=7313207
Is denying the Real Presense also the denying of Jesus Christ?

 

[katholikos]

"Nothing" means "nothing". It says that "nothing" can take you from God's hand.....

That this belief is contrary to the Bible & constant Christian teaching.

Recall this Scripture: "If we have died with him [in baptism; see Rom. 6:3-4] we shall also live with him; if we persevere we shall also reign with him" (2 Tim. 2:11-12). So, ff we do NOT persevere, we shall NOT reign with him. In other words, Christians can forfeit heaven. Jesus tells us, "He who endures to the end will be saved" (Matt. 24:13; cf. 25:31-46). Ergo, if you do not endure to the end, well........

The Bible makes it clear that Christians have a moral assurance of salvation (God will be true to his word and will grant salvation to those who have faith in Christ and are obedient to him [1 John 3:19-24]), but the Bible does NOT teach that Christians have a guarantee of heaven. There can be no absolute assurance of salvation. The Bible says, "See, then, the kindness and severity of God: severity toward those who fell, but God's kindness to you, provided you remain in his kindness, otherwise you too will be cut off" (Rom. 11:22-23; Matt. 18:21-35, 1 Cor. 15:1-2, 2 Pet. 2:20-21).

Note that this includes an important condition: "provided you remain in his kindness." It is saying that Christians can lose their salvation by throwing it away. He warns, "Whoever thinks he is standing secure should take care not to fall" (1 Cor. 10:11-12). , Paul admitted that even he could fall away: "I pummel my body and subdue it, lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified" (1 Cor. 9:27). In saying this he points out that even he cannot be infallibly sure of his own present state or of his future salvation.

 

[squint]

You're starting to repeat yourself.

You really should start your own "How can I ignorantly misrepresent the RCC positions and then attack them" thread.

 

[katholikos]

For the record I DENY the real presence of the Roman eucharist....

Okay. Since I don't know what a "Roman Eucharist" is I guess I won't argue with you

 

[ARBITER01]

In 'your view' it was not apparent. To me it was VERY apparent and openly done right there in front of our eyes. Go back and look and you may readily see it.

You need to back up and regroup there marine, there is but one judge who will condemn.

You really need to get past the habit of trying to wrongfully pin guilt on a person and hold it over their head, that is a very fleshly practice of yours for your age, ya know?

Just because I'm not loving to a segment of people or actually really care about them at all, doesn't mean I harbor hate and condemnation for them. If GOD desires to save them HE will, it is not of me to step in HIS way, nor can I. Your ambition to just love everyone as your neighbor is yours, I can't do such things unless led by The Holy Spirit to do so.

Jesus cursed and condemned a big segment of folks because they attributed the works of The Holy Spirit to satan, you should have a talk with Him about that, He wasn't as loving as you seem to want folks to be.

 

[simonthezealot]

So i this what the catholic gospel message is?

commissioning them to proclaim the gospel: "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age." Strengthened by this mission, the apostles "went forth and preached everywhere, while the Lord worked with them and confirmed the message by the signs that attended it.

 

[katholikos]

You really should start your own "How can I ignorantly misrepresent the RCC positions and then attack them" thread.

Oh, there's lots of those already. LOL

 

[CaliforniaJosiah]

... I'm not too smart but I'm SURE having a problem following this thread, how the question of this thread is being addressed....

Sorry.




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[sunlover1]

Cool I read this in my morning reading today...

In 'your view' it was not apparent. To me it was VERY apparent and openly done right there in front of our eyes. Go back and look and you may readily see it.

That is a very common FALLACY mask of the condemnation of other people.

"I'm not doing the condemning of them, BUT GOD IS..."

And to that I say, NO, it's what YOU THINK YOU SEE

...and in FACT IT IS what is IN YOU that is being reflected i.e. YOUR CONCLUSIONS as there are many other legitimate ways to see those same scriptures and come to completely different conclusions.

I see much more than you can imagine.

No

rofl

EDIT.
DANG, i keep forgetting to post Scripture.
And me a SS and all


Matt 9

35 And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people.
36 But when he saw the multitudes, he was moved with compassion on them, because they faintedd, and were scattered abroad, as sheep having no shepherd.
37 Then saith he unto his disciples, The harvest truly is plenteous, but the labourers are few;
38 Pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he will send forth labourers into his harvest.​

 

[JohnDeereFan]

You really should start your own "How can I ignorantly misrepresent the RCC positions and then attack them" thread.

You're going to have to grow up sometime.

 

[Uphill Battle]

Nope. Never said that. To the contrary, I've been a very vocal critic of Jack Chick.

then it's an awful shame that you sound so very much like him, don't you think?

Put your money where your mouth is: find me a Catholic who can articulate the Gospel.

Not going to happen. Your narrow vison of what the gospel is, will preclude anything they say as wrong.

"Nothing" means "nothing". It says that "nothing" can take you from God's hand.

it says nothing can take you from it. It does not say you can't walk away.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus For the record I DENY the real presence of the Roman eucharist....

Okay. Since I don't know what a "Roman Eucharist" is I guess I won't argue with you

Your a Roman Catholic and don't know

2 Corin 3:14 But was calloused/epwrwqh <4456> (5681) the minds of them. For until the today day, the same covering/kalumma <2571> upon the reading of the Old Covenant is remaining, no being up-covered/anakaluptomenon <343> (5746). That In Christ it is being-taken-away.

 

[JohnDeereFan]

That this belief is contrary to the Bible & constant Christian teaching.

Recall this Scripture: "If we have died with him [in baptism; see Rom. 6:3-4] we shall also live with him; if we persevere we shall also reign with him" (2 Tim. 2:11-12). So, ff we do NOT persevere, we shall NOT reign with him. In other words, Christians can forfeit heaven. Jesus tells us, "He who endures to the end will be saved" (Matt. 24:13; cf. 25:31-46). Ergo, if you do not endure to the end, well........

The Bible makes it clear that Christians have a moral assurance of salvation (God will be true to his word and will grant salvation to those who have faith in Christ and are obedient to him [1 John 3:19-24]), but the Bible does NOT teach that Christians have a guarantee of heaven. There can be no absolute assurance of salvation. The Bible says, "See, then, the kindness and severity of God: severity toward those who fell, but God's kindness to you, provided you remain in his kindness, otherwise you too will be cut off" (Rom. 11:22-23; Matt. 18:21-35, 1 Cor. 15:1-2, 2 Pet. 2:20-21).

Note that this includes an important condition: "provided you remain in his kindness." It is saying that Christians can lose their salvation by throwing it away. He warns, "Whoever thinks he is standing secure should take care not to fall" (1 Cor. 10:11-12). , Paul admitted that even he could fall away: "I pummel my body and subdue it, lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified" (1 Cor. 9:27). In saying this he points out that even he cannot be infallibly sure of his own present state or of his future salvation.

That's a good trick. Literally every one of these verses is out of context.

 

[JohnDeereFan]

then it's an awful shame that you sound so very much like him, don't you think?

No, actually, if you compare what I say with what he says, you'll see that we don't sound anything alike.

Not going to happen. Your narrow vison of what the gospel is, will preclude anything they say as wrong.

If what they say is Biblical, then it isn't wrong.

it says nothing can take you from it. It does not say you can't walk away.

Good luck with that.

 

[katholikos]

Your a Roman Catholic and don't know...

Thats quite an assumption. What makes you think I'm a Roman Rite Catholic? Do you even know the Rites that comprise the Catholic Church?

 

[Markus6]

That's a good trick. Literally every one of these verses is out of context.

That's a good trick too. You seem to be quite good at that: making claims without backing them up. How about you show us the context and why his interpretation was wrong and what the interpretation should be?

 

[katholikos]

That's a good trick. Literally every one of these verses is out of context.

Yet you could not refute one of them