How Can Molecules Think?

[partinobodycular]

while there is enough evidence to show it is not a simulation.

Such as?

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

From what I've seen, it depends on the depth of a person's own inner experience of deep consciousness.

As a meditator now of 50 years I cannot say I have an answer. Some deep silence and stillness, awareness without “thought” samadhi style. Something there but without faith to help interpret the experience it seems more of a silent void. John of the cross apophatic realm. Perhaps like the awareness of a molecule or lets get fancy and say monad.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Have you ever read “Autobiography of a Yogi”?
There are accounts of yogis leaving their bodies and returning.

 

[FredVB]

Such as?

Physicists Have Mathematically Proven the Universe Is Not a Simulation

A new study applies logic and physics to provide a definitive answer to one of science’s greatest questions. It’s an idea often explored in science fiction: what if our entire universe is actually a simulation created by an advanced civilization’s supercomputer? New research from UBC Okanagan su

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[Bob Crowley]

And yet curiously there has never been any evidence of a soul existing.

I dispute that. There may not be any "Scientific" evidence of a soul existing, but there's plenty of anecdotal evidence, which is often relied upon in court. That's what witnesses are for, and that's why perjury is treated so seriously.

I've long maintained that the night my father died, he turned up in my bedroom. Neither of us knew where the other lived, but he was sent to apologise for his behaviour. As he said himself on that night "I've been an absolute mongrel to you!"

A lady I met in my last job as a community transport driver said her husband turned up as "something white" and sat on the foot of the bed. She said she was freaking out, but when the thing spoke it was her husband. He also apologised for his abusive behaviour. Interestingly he appeared to their eldest daughter as well and apologised to her. Apparenlty he'd been most abusive to her by far out of all their children.

A Catholic psychiatrist I knew (unfortunately he died last year so I can't call on him for personal testimony) said that he was attending a mass at a Catholic Church. They announced a parishioner had died that morning. But he also knew her as a patient.

He said to me "She was in the church!" He could see her. He said she seemed to be trying to get his attention, but gave up after a while and moved to the other side of the church. He thought she might have had family on that side.

A fellow parishioner I know who does a lot of counselling work said to me one day that "Last goodbyes are fairly common".

There's plenty of anecdotal evidence, which is precisely the same sort of evidence we rely on for Christ's resurrected body and those of the other dead who rose with Him. We don't have any scientific evidence at all. We rely on the testimony of witnesses.

If you were to ask around the population generally I'd bet a pound to a penny that quite a few people have seen deceased relatives and / or friends, usually not long after they've died.

There was another incident in my own life. When I was quite young, an aunt died suddenly. She'd had glandular fever and it weakened her heart. She was standing on the back stairs brushing her daughter's hair and dropped dead from a heart attack.

We (our family) drove to her home to offer condolences. They took a bit longer in those days to take the bodies away. I blundered into the bedroom and she was still lying in state on the bed.

But as we were leaving and I was standing on the footpath, she "walked" onto their front porch and looked at us. She gave my father a real look of judgement. Then she looked at me and it wasn't much better. Then she looked back at him again with this look of judgement, turned and walked back into the house.

My father turned to me with a demonic look on his face and snarled "Get in the car!!". So I got in the car. But I was only about six or seven at the time and it rattled me.

Years later, probably when i was in my thirties my mother told me the aunt had been a devout Catholic. I suspect she had been shown how my father was and would treat her husband's sister and her children. Hence the look of judgement.

There's plenty of anecdotal evidence around, and a lot the witnesses are honest and reliable people, like Mary and the apostles who witnessed the risen Christ. They went from being frightened men to martyrs willing to die for what they had seen.

But there's not a scrap of Scientific evidence that what they saw existed. it's anecdotal evidence, which is often relied upon in a court of law.

 

[Larniavc]

There may not be any "Scientific" evidence of a soul existing

That’s why souls don’t exist and witness testimony is widely known as prone to error.

 

[BCP1928]

That’s why souls don’t exist and witness testimony is widely known as prone to error.

The error lies in assuming that substance dualism is a fundamental Christian doctrine.

 

[partinobodycular]

Physicists Have Mathematically Proven the Universe Is Not a Simulation

A new study applies logic and physics to provide a definitive answer to one of science’s greatest questions. It’s an idea often explored in science fiction: what if our entire universe is actually a simulation created by an advanced civilization’s supercomputer? New research from UBC Okanagan su

scitechdaily.com

It sounds impressive whenever scientists say that they've proved something, but one needs to be careful about misinterpreting what scientists mean by proved.

As far as this particular study goes, I'm with Sabine on giving it a 9 out of 10 on the BS meter, and I'd already filed it in my evidence database accordingly. But still, I'll give you an 'A' for effort.

 

[Bob Crowley]

That’s why souls don’t exist and witness testimony is widely known as prone to error.

I've usually got a pretty fair idea whether I've seen something or not. I used the same brain and optic senses to see my father's spirit the night he turned up and to take in the bedroom I was in at the time.

There was a rather plain chipboard bookcase against the wall, and I can still remember seeing it through him if I wanted to.

In other words I had no issue seeing the ordinary things around me, and the most unusual spiritual witness at the same time.

I know my mind better than you know my mind thanks.

 

[Larniavc]

I've usually got a pretty fair idea whether I've seen something or not. I used the same brain and optic senses to see my father's spirit the night he turned up and to take in the bedroom I was in at the time.

Hypnogogic or hypnopompic hallucination. Really common. It’s not the spirits of our dead loved ones.

 

[Larniavc]

I know my mind better than you know my mind thanks.

But not human psychology obviously.

 

[Bob Crowley]

Hypnogogic or hypnopompic hallucination. Really common. It’s not the spirits of our dead loved ones.

When your father turns up the night he died, and apologises for the way he treated you, it's not a hypnogogic or hypnopompic hallucination, esecially when i didn't even know he'd died. I didn't find out for another four days by normal human methods when one of my uncles turned up to tell me.

Incidentally the uncle was my mother's brother and it was his wife who died brushing her daughter's hair years before as related in my post above.

Secondly when our exchange had elements such as "What is this?? A dream or something??" to which my father replied "No, it's not a dream. I died tonight." And "It wasn't easy for me either you know and I never had a chance to see anything like this!"

To which I replied "I know it wasn't easy! I knew that by the time I was twelve."

It was no hallucination, and his departing scream just before he disappeared again was terrifying. Something was coming for him. I think he's in hell personally.

You weren't there to see it, were you?

He also said "You'll become a Christian" as I was an atheist at the time. And "You'll meet a pastor. You'll think he's great, but all he'll do is discourage you even more!"

I met the pastor shortly after I became Christian in late 1982, and before I left his church in 1991 as I got married and moved away (he died himself in 1992) he apologised to me. I asked him what he was apologising for and he said "You needed encouragement but all I've done is to discourage you even more".

I'd often told him about my father's apparition and pointed out he'd just quoted my "dead" father back to me word for word.

You can shove your arrogance and your "Hypnogogic or hypnopompic hallucination". You think you know it all because you've read a bit about psychology.

How wrong you are!

As you'll eventually find out.