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How can Jesus have born future sins?

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I was out walking today, thinking about the sacrifice of Christ. Then this question arose, how Jesus could have born all sins that hadn't even been comitted yet. How do you reason around this?

There are two possibilities.

1. Our understanding of what "bore our sins" means.

2. All the sin that would ever be committed is known in advance.
 
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..., how Jesus could have born all sins that hadn't even been comitted yet.
God is outside of time...
You're Not Thinking 4th Dimensionally, Back to the Future Part III (1990)
 
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God is outside of time...
You're Not Thinking 4th Dimensionally, Back to the Future Part III (1990)
Like a trust at the bank for grandkids' future college education.
 
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I was out walking today, thinking about the sacrifice of Christ. Then this question arose, how Jesus could have born all sins that hadn't even been comitted yet. How do you reason around this?

Paul talks about it in Ephesians 5,

12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.

17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:

21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
 
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Can you clarify what that means? Jesus only had to die once. It`s not something that is "occurring"

Yes it is - because it is a timeless event anchored in History.

His Blood covers believers sins, past present and future, including those who believed under the Old Covenant.
 
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His Blood covers believers sins, past present and future, including those who believed under the Old Covenant.

Agreed. It`s your use of the word "occurring" in connection to the cross. The crucifixion happened one time. It occurred, it is not occurring. Maybe I`m splitting hairs, I wasn`t sure how you were looking at it.
 
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Paul talks about it in Ephesians 5,

12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.

17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:

21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

Romans 5 ;)

I don't see how this explains it. So feel free to expand on that.
 
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There are two possibilities.

1. Our understanding of what "bore our sins" means.

2. All the sin that would ever be committed is known in advance.

1. Yes, that is what I like to know.

2. Knowing of something to come, you can prepare for it, pay for it, but not carry it on you, since it doesn't yet exist, in my reasoning.

Makes sense if we see the sacrifice as an atoning sacrifice for sins, a payment for sin, whatever sin that might be or will come. But this makes the sacrifice of Christ feel less personal.
 
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The Cross is a non chronological event that IS occurring in every instant of time.

From Gods perspective (in timelessness) it is always occurring...

Sounds like an idea of the RCC. They view the eucharist as a sacrifice, like an extension (?) of the one sacrifice. But I'm not fully clear how they understand it.
 
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God is outside of time...
You're Not Thinking 4th Dimensionally, Back to the Future Part III (1990)

Hm, but this sounds a bit like you get a 10 million $ inheritance from a relative you didn't know you had. And you say to God you never prayed for being rich. God answers, well in ten years you will.

Can God punish me now for something I will do in the future, that wouldn't be right.
 
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1. Yes, that is what I like to know.

2. Knowing of something to come, you can prepare for it, pay for it, but not carry it on you, since it doesn't yet exist, in my reasoning.

Makes sense if we see the sacrifice as an atoning sacrifice for sins, a payment for sin, whatever sin that might be or will come. But this makes the sacrifice of Christ feel less personal.

What would be your conclusion, if you had to make your call based on this verse?

Act 4:26 The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers were gathered together against the Lord, and against his Christ.
Act 4:27 For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together,
Act 4:28 For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done.
 
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