How can creation week be literal 24 hour days?

[Jamsie]

The statement God makes - is to show that the units are the same and that the week is the same ... and argues that the Hebrews were to follow that same pattern INSTEAD of saying "scatter 6 days all across any given year... then add a 7th day at any point during the year"

That is what you choose to read into the text. What has "God makes" have to do with units of time. It is simply explanatory to "And God said,..." you do agree that the command was the sole operative agent of creation, do you not? So anything that would follow would logically explanatory, would it not?

No rather the statements show that "God spoke" and "it was so" then the time unit added "and evening and morning where the nth day".

Since we know the text imposes a mediate command, then the "it was so" would have to do with the processes God created. Any reference following is parenthetical, and any use of the term completion would have to do directly with the process invoked.

The creative suggestion that the bounded time frame is not in the text that we can all read in that time-boxed chronological sequence is -- not a suggestion that survives much of the text we are reading. The structure in the text fully supports God's summary of it in Ex 20:11

It doesn't survive if one does not read the text in the way that it is clearly structured.

1. "And God said,..." quite plain in that it establishes that creation was actualized by God's fiat/command, nothing else. (As noted "On each day it is clear that God has not Done something but rather to have Said something, not to have Made something but to have Commanded something.")

2. "And God made,..." is therefore clearly parenthetical or explanatory since the spoken command was all sufficient. One would need to deny the efficacy of God's command to alter the text or refute His power to accomplish his purpose with simply a word.

3. Only in Gen. 1:3 does the text state an immediate fulfillment - "And God said, Let there be light and there was light". We also know from the verses that the "day one" or "first day" was referring to the command or fiat.

4. One will note that subsequent to Gen. 1:3 all of the following commands are directed to created matter. The text does not say "And God said, Let there be vegetation and there was vegetation..." or "And God said, Let there be living creatures and there was living creatures". What is evident is that God commands or authorizes the separation/water/land as a mediate instrument for His purposes. (God set in motion at the beginning all of the "laws" for the "incipient powers, elements, material, etc. as to the natural processes of phenomena to be produced".)

5. If "And God said,..." is the sole and only operative agent then clearly the designation of "day one" or "first day" relates directly to the commands, thus command or fiat days. There is no "stretch" or "twist" or "adding" to the text as that is quite explicitly what the passage states.

6. One would need to deny where the commands are directed so as to not logically conclude that we have 5 days of mediate creation. The commands succinctly command the various created matter to initiate a God ordained process to accomplish His will/purpose. Therefore there is no reason to conclude that the mediate creative fiats would require time for to be accomplished. Just as they are today and throughout history, unless one chooses to put an infinite God inside some sort of finite time box.

7. As the structure of Genesis 1 shows the days are based on the commands or fiats. In terms of time no definitive reference is made other then each day's fiat. So the time spans can be indefinite or too they may overlap allowing the processes He input through his fiats to be fulfilled. Therefore, there are six creative days, plus the seventh which total what we now call a week. There is no dismissal of Exodus 20:11 as there would literally be "..in six days ...". Again, the completion relates to the processes invoked based on the assurance that what God commands comes to pass.

*The sixth day remains a question as to time: "So Gen. 1:27 creation of "male and female", then 2:15 God put man in the garden to "work and care", compare Gen. 1:31 to Ge. 2:18. Gen.2:19 naming of the animals, the Gen. 2:22 has Eve, and Adam uses the word "pa‛ămâh" which hints at "at last" or "now" which one would infer a passage of time. Would there not be some passage of time for Adam to work and care for the plants, etc. if not why would he need a `ezer - helper? Would it be a "stretch" to believe that Adam must have had some interaction with the variety of animals, birds, etc. in order to name them, if they were named meaningfully ...and would not that require time? So given the mediate nature of creation how is equating days to commands so far fetched...the Bible is quite clear that each day (5 days) is a command day that involves process."


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[ChristaLife]

Very creative.. and incredibly more unscientific than the Bible account itself could be said to be. The motion of planets in a solar system including the solid principle of conservation of angular momentum is solid science. Each time you add some creative innovation to the chapter you remove it so many steps further from credibility and must rely on your own guess as the source of authority for it.

Thing you must remember
1. CREATION COMES BEFORE SCIENCE
2. SCIENCE IS ONLY A KNOWLEDGE OF THE FUNCTIONS OF CREATION NEVER THE DETAILS OF CREATION
3. SCIENCE IS ALWAYS EVOLVING. (SO HOW MANY SCIENCE BOOK ARE OBSOLETE )
4. SCIENCE CAN TELL US A LOT TO MAKE US APPRECIATE CREATION BUT SCIENCE IS ALWAYS TRYING TO PLAY GOD HENCE THEIR ACCOUNT ARE FULL OF HERESIES.
5. THERE ARE STILL A LOT SCIENCE DOES NOT KNOW. ( YOU TALK ABOUT HELIUM I BET YOU COME TOMORROW IT CAN BE ANOTHER ELEMENT CLOSELY ASSOCIATED WITH HELIUM RATHER THAN HELIUM)

TO UNDERSTAND THE BIBLE DUMP SCIENCE ALL YOU NEED
1. THE BIBLE
2. THE HOLY SPIRIT
3. HUMBLE MIND TO ALLOW GOD TO GIVE YOU THE SIMPLE TRUTH.

Once there was no rain on the earth and water was coming out of the earth to water the earth. Then there was rain and that became the way the earth is being watered. Since that process is no longer there SCIENCE CAN NOT FIND OUT HOW THAT WAS WORKING IN FACT SCIENCE COULD ARGUE THAT NEVER HAPPENED.

Once there was no AIR then there was AIR. CAN SCIENCE EVER TELL YOU WHERE THE AIR CAME FROM. IT IS NOT VISIBLE , IT IS NOT TANGIBLE. CREATION TELLS US ALL ABOUT IT.
1. god breath into man (AIR) and man became a living souls : breathing (AIR)
2. It could also have come with the creation of seasons with the creation of the sun.

LASTLY
The bible said there was light on the 1st day but the Sun was created on the 4th day. Clearly they are not the same. THIS FACT IS MADE VERY CLEAR IN THE BIBLE . The bible says God made the SUN TO RULE OVER THE LIGHT. THAT MEANS THEY WERE TWO DIFFERENT ENTITIES BUT THE LIGHT WAS MADE SUBJECT TO THE SUN BECAUSE THE SUN WAS BEING CREATED FOR THE ESTABLISHMENT OF SEASONS DAYS AND YEARS. God made then made the sun TO RULE OVER THE DAY AND THE LIGHT.

Genesis 1:17-18 King James Version (KJV)
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

 

[BobRyan]

Thing you must remember
1. CREATION COMES BEFORE SCIENCE
2. SCIENCE IS ONLY A KNOWLEDGE OF THE FUNCTIONS OF CREATION NEVER THE DETAILS OF CREATION

Which is not the problem here... the problem is that when you insert your novelties and creative-writing into the text you do damage both to the text and to science.

Exodus 20
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter, your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

vs 11 is a direct reference to Genesis 2:1-3 ... same author, same subject, same event.

Genesis 2:1-3
Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their hosts. 2 By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.



The statement God makes - is to show that the units are the same and that the week is the same ... and argues that the Hebrews were to follow that same pattern INSTEAD of saying "scatter 6 days all across any given year... then add a 7th day at any point during the year"


Notice that God's summary in Exodus 20:11 of that Genesis event -- is the opposite of what you creatively propose

 

[BobRyan]

Exodus 20
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter, your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

vs 11 is a direct reference to Genesis 2:1-3 ... same author, same subject, same event.

Genesis 2:1-3
Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their hosts. 2 By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

The statement God makes - is to show that the units are the same and that the week is the same ... and argues that the Hebrews were to follow that same pattern INSTEAD of saying "scatter 6 days all across any given year... then add a 7th day at any point during the year"

That is what you choose to read into the text. ​

A perfect contrast to our different responses to the facts listed above - so obvious that the 7 day week is observed in Exodus 16 and in Exodus 20 -- rather than working for 60 million years and resting for 10 million years (or any other such creative bending of the text) -- the obvious week is clearly conveyed and observed in exactly that unit of time conveyed.

 

[BobRyan]

LASTLY
The bible said there was light on the 1st day but the Sun was created on the 4th day. .

And obviously we all know that light can be had from other sources and is not limited to fusion of helium as the only source of light known in the universe.

 

[ChristaLife]

The statement God makes - is to show that the units are the same and that the week is the same ... and argues that the Hebrews were to follow that same pattern INSTEAD of saying "scatter 6 days all across any given year... then add a 7th day at any point during the year"

Hi dear brother
I guess you are confusing me with somebody else. I SAID THEY ARE THE SAME AND THAT IS ALL I HAVE BEEN SAYING.
IT IS MR BARBARIAN THAT IS ARGUING THEY ARE NOT THE SAME.

TO USE SCIENCE TO INTERPRET THE BIBLE IS WRONG. SCIENCE IS ONLY TO BRING OUT THE GLORY IN GOD'S CREATION TO AS A TOOL FOR INTERPRETATION.
THE BIBLE SAYS
2 Peter 1:20
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
THAT INCLUDES SCIENCE. IF YOU USE SCIENCE you will miss out on the joy of creation and you will lack the ability to appreciate God. You will end up always putting science before creation where as THE CREATION IS BEFORE SCIENCE. SCIENCE CAN NOT EXPLAIN CREATION BUT CAN ONLY TALK ABOUT IT WORKS.

1 Timothy 6:20
O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:

 

[Jamsie]

A perfect contrast to our different responses to the facts listed above - so obvious that the 7 day week is observed in Exodus 16 and in Exodus 20 -- rather than working for 60 million years and resting for 10 million years (or any other such creative bending of the text) -- the obvious week is clearly conveyed and observed in exactly that unit of time conveyed.

Is this addressed to me? I ask because I notice that you have only reiterated your interpretation and neglected my responses and questions....

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

How do we explain the creation week as literal 24 hour days in the light of the verses below (no pun intended)?

'Then God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness. God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day.' -- (Gen 1:4-5).

"Then God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night. He made the stars also. God set them in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth, and to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good. So the evening and the morning were the fourth day." -- (Gen 1:16-17).

The sun was made on day four.

So what was the source of the light on day one, if not the sun?

And if it was not the sun, then how can the fist three days be literal 24 hour days, since the sun is what determines a 24 hour day?

And if there was already light on the earth on day one, then how can the sun be made on day four "to give light on the earth", a light that already existed on day one?

And if the light and darkness were already divided on day one, then how can the sun be made on day four "to divide the light from the darkness", a division that already existed on day one?

I do believe, however, that all six days of creation week were literal 24 hour days.

But how do we give such a literal explanation to anyone who ask, since the literal evidence (the sun made on day four) does not seem to support it?

The light was the glory of God. The book of Revelation tells us that in heaven there will be no need for the sun to light everything, because the glory of God will do that. I believe that when God said, "Let there be light", His glory lit everything up before He set fire to the sun. If He divided the light into light and darkness, He must have started the rotation of the earth first before he lit up the sun.

We have ample evidence from Scripture that the glory of God consists in blazing and blinding light. Paul experienced the glory when Jesus encountered him on the Damascus Road and the light of the glory outshone the midday sun and blinded Paul for a time.

The pillar of fire that guided the Israelites through the wilderness was the glory of God. Moses, when he was at the top of Mt Sinai, was not permitted to view the whole glory of God because it would have vaporised him, so all he saw was the hind parts of God, and when he came down, his face shone with the reflected glory of what he saw, for days afterward. The burning bush that Moses saw was not actual fire. It was the glory of God shining through the bush. The flames of fire that settled on the heads of the 120 in the upper was not actual fire, but little bits of the glory of God when each person was filled with the Holy Spirit.

So, the light that God commanded that initially lit up the universe was His glory, only to be replaced on day 4 by the light of the sun and the stars.

 

[ChristaLife]

The sun on day four is the light source on day one.

The light on day one of creation week is serving the exact same purpose as the sunlight on day four, which suggests that both lights are coming from the exact same light source, which is the sun.

No No No
Your inference can only be wrong totally wrong. THE CREATOR AND THE WRITER SAYS THE SUN WAS CREATED ON THE 4TH DAY. WHY ARE YOU ARGUING WITH HIM THAT THE SUN WAS ACTUALLY CREATED ON DAY ONE.
THE FACTS THAT THEY ARE DOING THE SAME THING, WHICH THEY ARE NOT, DOES NOT MEAN THEY ARE THE SAME. Th e bible even says the sun was made to RULE OVER THE LIGHT WHICH MEAN THEY WERE NOT THE SAME.
There was darkness all over the light in the beginning and the light that was created was also ALL OVER THE EARTH AT ONCE. WHICH COULD MEAN THE EARTH WAS FLAT AT THE TIME. EVEN IF IT WERE ROUND GOD CAN STILL MAKE LIGHT GO ROUND IT ALL AT ONCE.

The sun was created FOR SEASON AND DAYS AND YEARS . THIS IS THE TIME THE EARTH WILL ROUND UP TO BE ABLE TO OBEY THE LAW OF CREATION. ALSO THE LIGHT ON THE SUN IS PERMANENT SO IN ORDER FOR THE EARTH TO FULFIL THE LAW OF CREATION IT WILL HAVE TO ROUND UP AND START SPINNING . ON THE OTHER HAND THE LIGHT ON THE FIRST DAY WAS ALTERNATING WITH DARKNESS IT WAS NOT PERMANENT AND THE LIGHT FROM THE SUN.

DO NOT ARGUE WITH GOD TAKE IT AS A LITTLE CHILD IF YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND JUST ASK NOT PROJECT YOUR OWN THEORY. IT WILL NOT HELP YOU AND IT WILL NOT CHANGE THE TRUTH. If by the time you get to heaven you still have not understood guess you will have eternity to ask him.

 

[ChristaLife]

The light was the glory of God. The book of Revelation tells us that in heaven there will be no need for the sun to light everything, because the glory of God will do that. I believe that when God said, "Let there be lig

If He divided the light into light and darkness, He must have started the rotation of the earth first before he lit up the sun.

God does not do thing in bits like men GOD ONLY SPEAKS ONE AND THE THING WILL HAPPEN WITH ALL THE NECESSARY SCIENCE FOR IT. If God says the sun is for the SEASONS then in that instant all the bodies starts revolving as to obey the law god just made.
I STRONGLY WILL SAY IN THE THINGS OF GOD WE MUST ACCEPT THEM AS A LITTLE CHILD WILL BELIEVE HIS FATHER IS ABLE TO GET HIM THE SUN AND ANY STAR.
Matthew 18:3
And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

If you approach the word of God with too much grown up mind we will miss the message and it will do us no good.

If you don't understand accept you don't understand then that makes it easy for God to find the way to make you understand.
If you rather substitute your idea you make it that much hard for God to teach you.

SORRY I AM TALKING GENERAL HERE NOT A DIRECT REPLY TO THE ISSUE RAISED HERE.
ht", His glory lit everything up before He set fire to the sun. If He divided the light into light and

It is probably not the glory of God. If it was the glory of God then THERE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN DARKNESS IN THE FIRST PLACE. THE GLORY OF GOD IS WITH HIM AND WHEN WE ARE WITH HIM THE GLORY WILL GIVE US LIGHT.
What you must understand here is that God was creating a place for MANKIND NOT FOR HIMSELF SO EVERY THING WAS AWAY FROM HIM. OF COURSE WHEN THE SPIRIT OF GOD MOVED OVER THE CREATION HIS LIGHT WILL BE WITH HIM. IF HE MOVES AWAY AS HE DID HIS LIGHT / HIS GLORY WILL GO WITH HIM. The creation of for man and God created a light for it.
ALSO REMEMBER ALL OF THESE WILL PASS AWAY AT THE END OF TIME. THE SUN THE MOON THE STARS THE EARTH AND THE HEAVEN AND THE LIGHTS WILL ALL PASS AWAY BUT THE GLORY OF GOD WILL NEVER PASS AWAY SO IT IS MOST MOST PROBABLY OR SHOULD I SAY MOST DEFINITELY NOT THE GLORY OF GOD.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

It is probably not the glory of God. If it was the glory of God then THERE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN DARKNESS IN THE FIRST PLACE. THE GLORY OF GOD IS WITH HIM AND WHEN WE ARE WITH HIM THE GLORY WILL GIVE US LIGHT.
What you must understand here is that God was creating a place for MANKIND NOT FOR HIMSELF SO EVERY THING WAS AWAY FROM HIM. OF COURSE WHEN THE SPIRIT OF GOD MOVED OVER THE CREATION HIS LIGHT WILL BE WITH HIM. IF HE MOVES AWAY AS HE DID HIS LIGHT / HIS GLORY WILL GO WITH HIM. The creation of for man and God created a light for it.
ALSO REMEMBER ALL OF THESE WILL PASS AWAY AT THE END OF TIME. THE SUN THE MOON THE STARS THE EARTH AND THE HEAVEN AND THE LIGHTS WILL ALL PASS AWAY BUT THE GLORY OF GOD WILL NEVER PASS AWAY SO IT IS MOST MOST PROBABLY OR SHOULD I SAY MOST DEFINITELY NOT THE GLORY OF GOD.

Your post in capitals suggests you are shouting this for all you are worth!
So, how do you explain where the light came from if it was two days before the sun and the stars were lit up?

 

[ChristaLife]

Your post in capitals suggests you are shouting this for all you are worth!
So, how do you explain where the light came from if it was two days before the sun and the stars were lit up?

I did not realise writing in CAPITAL MEANS SHOUTING: I was wondering what you meant when you said that the first time. my CAPITALS are just to HIGHLIGHT THE POINT I AM MAKING.
Thank you POINT TAKEN.

AS FOR THE LIGHT
I am not going to speculate I am taking it as it is written GOD MADE IT AND ON THE 4TH DAY HE PUT IT UNDER THE FUNCTION OF THE SUN THAT WAS NEWLY CREATED. GOD CAN DO ANYTHING

CHILD LIKENESS
When it comes to the things of God YOU MUST TAKE IT LIKE A CHILD.
If a father tells his child I WILL BRING YOU THE MOON. The child will believe and not doubt him. A CHILD HAS LIMITED UNDERSTANDING AND HE BELIEVES HIS DAD KNOWS IT ALL AND WHATEVER HIS DAD SAYS HIS FATHER IS ABLE TO DO IT.
WE HAVE VERY VERY VERY LIMITED KNOWLEDGE THAN GOD IN FACT INSIGNIFICANT KNOWLEDGE :A CHILD IS CLOSER TO US THAT WE ARE CLOSE TO GOD IN KNOWLEDGE.
TO ENJOY GOD YOU MUST BE LIKE OUR LITTLE CHILDREN TO HIM. THE BELIEVE A CHILD HAS FOR HIS FATHER GIVES HIM JOY and he is able to trust his father and depend on him for everything. WHEN A CHILD DOES NOT UNDERSTAND HE ASKS HIS FATHER AND WHATEVER ANSWER HIS FATHER GIVES HIM THAT IS THE ANSWER. WITH GOD IF YOU ASK HIM HE WILL NOT ONLY GIVE YOU THE ANSWER BUT HE WILL ALSO MAKE YOU UNDERSTAND (because we are GROWN UPS compare with our children) BUT YOU MUST ALLOW HIM TO LEAD YOU.

Matthew 18:3

• King James Version
  And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Psalm 37:5 King James Version (KJV)
5 Commit thy way unto the Lord; trust also in him; and he shall bring it to pass.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

I did not realise writing in CAPITAL MEANS SHOUTING: I was wondering what you meant when you said that the first time. my CAPITALS are just to HIGHLIGHT THE POINT I AM MAKING.
Thank you POINT TAKEN.

AS FOR THE LIGHT
I am not going to speculate I am taking it as it is written GOD MADE IT AND ON THE 4TH DAY HE PUT IT UNDER THE FUNCTION OF THE SUN THAT WAS NEWLY CREATED. GOD CAN DO ANYTHING

CHILD LIKENESS
When it comes to the things of God YOU MUST TAKE IT LIKE A CHILD.
If a father tells his child I WILL BRING YOU THE MOON. The child will believe and not doubt him. A CHILD HAS LIMITED UNDERSTANDING AND HE BELIEVES HIS DAD KNOWS IT ALL AND WHATEVER HIS DAD SAYS HIS FATHER IS ABLE TO DO IT.
WE HAVE VERY VERY VERY LIMITED KNOWLEDGE THAN GOD IN FACT INSIGNIFICANT KNOWLEDGE :A CHILD IS CLOSER TO US THAT WE ARE CLOSE TO GOD IN KNOWLEDGE.
TO ENJOY GOD YOU MUST BE LIKE OUR LITTLE CHILDREN TO HIM. THE BELIEVE A CHILD HAS FOR HIS FATHER GIVES HIM JOY and he is able to trust his father and depend on him for everything. WHEN A CHILD DOES NOT UNDERSTAND HE ASKS HIS FATHER AND WHATEVER ANSWER HIS FATHER GIVES HIM THAT IS THE ANSWER. WITH GOD IF YOU ASK HIM HE WILL NOT ONLY GIVE YOU THE ANSWER BUT HE WILL ALSO MAKE YOU UNDERSTAND (because we are GROWN UPS compare with our children) BUT YOU MUST ALLOW HIM TO LEAD YOU.

Matthew 18:3

• King James Version
  And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Psalm 37:5 King James Version (KJV)
5 Commit thy way unto the Lord; trust also in him; and he shall bring it to pass.

Reminds me of the time when a prominent preacher left his notes in the pulpit. An elder found those notes and saw that parts were underlined and notes were in the margin. There was one passage heavily underlined in red and the margin note read: SHOUT FOR ALL YOU'RE WORTH. ARGUMENT VERY WEAK!

 

[ChristaLife]

Reminds me of the time when a prominent preacher left his notes in the pulpit. An elder found those notes and saw that parts were underlined and notes were in the margin. There was one passage heavily underlined in red and the margin note read: SHOUT FOR ALL YOU'RE WORTH. ARGUMENT VE

Oh you still think I am shouting. LIKE I SAID IT IS A STYLE NOT A SHOUT.
AS FOR ARGUMENT : I DON'T ARGUE. iI JUST FOLLOW THE BIBLE LIKE A LITTLE CHILD FOLLOWING HIS FATHER. I pray you will hear HIM and understand without the need for any one else to explain to you. Other wise you run the risk of being in THIS CATEGORY OF PEOPLE.:
Isaiah 6:9-10 King James Version (KJV)
9 And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not.

10 Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed.

 

[ChristaLife]

Reminds me of the time when a prominent preacher left his notes in the pulpit. An elder found those notes and saw that parts were underlined and notes were in the margin. There was one passage heavily underlined in red and the margin note read: SHOUT FOR ALL YOU'RE WORTH. ARGUMENT VERY WEAK!

Oh you still think I am shouting. LIKE I SAID IT IS A STYLE NOT A SHOUT.
AS FOR ARGUMENT : I DON'T ARGUE. iI JUST FOLLOW THE BIBLE LIKE A LITTLE CHILD FOLLOWING HIS FATHER. I pray you will hear HIM and understand without the need for any one else to explain to you. Other wise you run the risk of being in THIS CATEGORY OF PEOPLE.:
Isaiah 6:9-10 King James Version (KJV)
9 And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not.

10 Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Oh you still think I am shouting. LIKE I SAID IT IS A STYLE NOT A SHOUT.
AS FOR ARGUMENT : I DON'T ARGUE. iI JUST FOLLOW THE BIBLE LIKE A LITTLE CHILD FOLLOWING HIS FATHER. I pray you will hear HIM and understand without the need for any one else to explain to you. Other wise you run the risk of being in THIS CATEGORY OF PEOPLE.:
Isaiah 6:9-10 King James Version (KJV)
9 And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not.

10 Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed.

I have just been on Youtube and viewed a shouting preacher who preached the Word of God and it blew my spiritual socks off! So, I can understand there are times when we need to be noisy to make an important point. So, bless you for making your points with noise and emphasis!!

 

[ChristaLife]

I have just been on Youtube and viewed a shouting preacher who preached the Word of God and it blew my spiritual socks off! So, I can understand there are times when we need to be noisy to make an important point. So, bless you for making your points with noise and emphasis!!

Bless you too and thank you. Please help my ignorance : is it a general principle that when you write in capitals you are shouting. If that were to be the case: How do you emphasis you point?
Cheers

 

[BobRyan]

Hi dear brother
I guess you are confusing me with somebody else. I SAID THEY ARE THE SAME AND THAT IS ALL I HAVE BEEN SAYING.
IT IS MR BARBARIAN THAT IS ARGUING THEY ARE NOT THE SAME.

I do see Barbarian arguing that they are aeons and symbolic.

But I thought you were arguing that days 1-3 are not actually 24 hour days - and that the earth was not rotating until day 4 or something of that sort.

 

[BobRyan]

Your post in capitals suggests you are shouting this for all you are worth!
So, how do you explain where the light came from if it was two days before the sun and the stars were lit up?

1. Two great lights were made on day 4 .. not 'a zillion and two'. The stars were already there.
2. The 24 hour unit of time for our day comes from the rotation of the planet which did not change between day 1 and day 7 or between day 1 and day 4.

It also comes from having a light source on one side of the planet while it is rotating --- not on both sides at once. The idea that God could create the Sun and Earth but could not figure out another source of light other than the fusion of hydrogen (and so He would be stuck for a light source until day-4) is not entirely rational.

 

[BobRyan]

The light was the glory of God. The book of Revelation tells us that in heaven there will be no need for the sun to light everything, because the glory of God will do that.

Certainly it is true that what you point out is a possible solution for "Another light source" in the universe other than our sun.