How can creation week be literal 24 hour days?

Jipsah · Jul 16, 2018

miamited said:
That is not now, nor has ever been what determines a 24 hour day upon the earth.

Is this where you tell us the length of an hour is arbitrary, so a "day" is really only one revolution of the earth?

Kaon · Jul 16, 2018

Doveaman said:
How do we explain the creation week as literal 24 hour days in the light of the verses below (no pun intended)?

'Then God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness. God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day.' -- (Gen 1:4-5).

"Then God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night. He made the stars also. God set them in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth, and to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good. So the evening and the morning were the fourth day." -- (Gen 1:16-17).

The sun was made on day four.

So what was the source of the light on day one, if not the sun?

And if it was not the sun, then how can the fist three days be literal 24 hour days, since the sun is what determines a 24 hour day?

And if there was already light on the earth on day one, then how can the sun be made on day four "to give light on the earth", a light that already existed on day one?

And if the light and darkness were already divided on day one, then how can the sun be made on day four "to divide the light from the darkness", a division that already existed on day one?

I do believe, however, that all six days of creation week were literal 24 hour days.

But how do we give such a literal explanation to anyone who ask, since the literal evidence (the sun made on day four) does not seem to support it?

There was something else going on.

Look up what "or," "choshek," and "yom," "tohu," and "tobu" mean in the context of no sun and moon.

Reread the first four days of creation.

Time wasn't defined until He separated light (or) and darkness (choshek.) According to man, you need a sun and moon to count a 24 hour day. But, the definition of a day under the Most High varies greatly from man's definition of a day.

Jipsah · Jul 16, 2018

yeshuaslavejeff said:
It looks like %origen% didn't speak Yahweh's Word.

What Yahweh Says is Truth, unspoiled by man's thinking or man's sin or man's ways. Man doesn't get it. Man doesn't grasp Yahweh's Word or Yahweh's Ways.

So no sun until day 4, and hence no "day" or "night". Right?

Greg J. · Jul 16, 2018

Ask a physicist if time flows differently now than it did at the creation of the universe ("yes"). Time has also always flowed differently depending on who (and where he is, etc.) is looking for a time flow difference for someone or something he is observing. Perhaps just as interesting is that it is impossible it is for anyone to directly detect differences in time flow.

Senkaku · Jul 16, 2018

well, if there is not 7 literal days then I guess the sabbath only happens once every 1,000 years.

AlexDTX · Jul 16, 2018

Doveaman said:
The sun was made on day four.

So what was the source of the light on day one, if not the sun?

And if it was not the sun, then how can the fist three days be literal 24 hour days, since the sun is what determines a 24 hour day?

Light bathed the creation on day one. The sun and stars were a coalescing of that light into gaseous balls. The rotation of the Earth is how time is calculated. Sunlight and darkness are simply results of the Earth's spin.

JacksBratt · Jul 16, 2018

Doveaman said:
How do we explain the creation week as literal 24 hour days in the light of the verses below (no pun intended)?

'Then God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness. God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day.' -- (Gen 1:4-5).

"Then God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night. He made the stars also. God set them in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth, and to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good. So the evening and the morning were the fourth day." -- (Gen 1:16-17).

The sun was made on day four.

So what was the source of the light on day one, if not the sun?

And if it was not the sun, then how can the fist three days be literal 24 hour days, since the sun is what determines a 24 hour day?

And if there was already light on the earth on day one, then how can the sun be made on day four "to give light on the earth", a light that already existed on day one?

And if the light and darkness were already divided on day one, then how can the sun be made on day four "to divide the light from the darkness", a division that already existed on day one?

I do believe, however, that all six days of creation week were literal 24 hour days.

But how do we give such a literal explanation to anyone who ask, since the literal evidence (the sun made on day four) does not seem to support it?

So your saying that the only source of light in God's universe is the sun?

I would question that.

I take it that the scripture means that God created "light" itself. You cannot have light energy if light has never been created.

So God created light and all the physical limitation of it. It moves in a straight line, travels at a determined speed, has a certain amount of heat. Contains different wavelengths that determine colour... the whole thing. It would not have been necessary before our universe. Just as time would not have been necessary. God was creating physical aspects of our physical world and all the laws that things must obey in this universe.

nonaeroterraqueous · Jul 16, 2018

An electrician walks into a darkened room and installs electricity and ceiling-mounted lighting. Do we imagine that he did it all blindly, in the darkness? The first thing he does in that dark room is create light. He does this because the light itself is more important than the source. After having lighted the room by whatever temporary means, he then creates the permanent system of lighting. The home owner comes later and sees the finished product. Does the home owner assume that there was no temporary source of light before the lighting was installed, because he looks around and does not see it? Whatever the source of the light, if there even was a source for the light apart from God, we will not find it. We would be foolish to assume that the light was not present.

Deductive fallacy, in this kind of situation, stems from an attempt to know all that ever was from all that currently is. If we see no other way of producing light than by the sun, then we assume that there could not have been light if there was no sun.

miamited · Jul 16, 2018

Not me said:
Hi Ted!
Thanks for responding. I agree we don’t know for sure how things work in Spiritual realm, but we can get a glimmer here and a glimmer there. My post was what I had read in a book once that got me to thinking. Just a thought, and a possibility. That to me, makes some sense.

As a YEC myself the evidence of creation always fascinates me. Are you familiar with the fact they found soft dinosaur tissue in dinosaurs bones?

Much love in Christ, Not me

Hi not me,

Yes, I have read up on some of the info regarding the soft tissue find. There are actually quite a few extrapolated proofs that the creation could actually be as young as about 6,000 years. Of course, much like those who are sold on President Trump like to think of any news that might show him in a bad light as being 'fake' news, those who believe in similarly extrapolated proofs that the creation is millions or billions of years old consider such evidences as being 'fake' evidence.

I'm one who has convinced myself that there is nothing that God does that we can prove through the science of man. We can't prove that God flooded the entire planet. We can't prove that water at least several hundred feet deep stood at attention on both the left and right hand of the Israelites as they passed through the sea. We can't prove that there was a night in which every first born child and cattle animal died by some miraculous sweep of death. We can't prove that the Nile has ever run red with blood or that digging into the dirt to get water only brought forth blood. We can't prove that the sun has ever stood still in the sky for nearly an entire period of daylight or that it ever moved in such a way as to cause a shadow to back up about 10 feet. We can't prove that Mary was still a virgin when Jesus was born of her womb.

But, we live by faith, that there is a God who loves us and wants us to know 'why' we were created. That He wants us, understanding why we were created, to love Him in return and seek for the promise of eternal life with Him that He holds out for those with such faith. That this God created man for the same reason that He created the angelic realm. He wants to have a relationship with His creation. He desires, and will achieve by His will, the day when He will bring all of this to an end and gather those who have understood and loved Him to be His people and He will be our God.

As I have studied the Scriptures, I see a clear and concise plan that God is working out in this realm from the very first command that there be light to the culmination of the plan when there will be no more weeping or mourning or pain. A plan that takes a sinner who has failed to live up to God's expectations and renews that sinner and forgives that sin to enjoy eternal life with Him. Just as the first man was created to achieve. Once man began questioning the authority of God in Eve and Adam, then God needed to provide a way of salvation.

From God's call to Abram of Ur, to the building of a special nation of people to be His people upon the earth, to the giving of His Son for our redemption, God has created this realm of living beings that He calls man to co-exist with the other realm of living beings that He has created that He calls angels. In the end, God will separate, both of men and angels, those who love Him from those who don't. In that final existence, according to His Son, those who have chosen to refuse His love and mercy and continue to live their lives in defiance of God will live a life of eternal torment. Those who have accepted God's offer of mercy and choose to live in obedience to Him, will live an eternal existence of peace with God.

That seems to be the simple nuts and bolts of God's plan. But, everything that God has done by His hand in this realm of creation, will never be proven by the science of man.

God bless,
In Christ, ted

miamited · Jul 16, 2018

Jipsah said:
Is this where you tell us the length of an hour is arbitrary, so a "day" is really only one revolution of the earth?

Hi jipsah,

Well of course the length of an hour is arbitrary. God's word never discusses hours in the creation event. That we have 24 hours in a day is a construct of man in breaking down the length of a day into further, more manageable parts. Then from hours we get minutes and seconds, but all of that is merely based on breaking down each of those smaller divisions of the time of day into 60 equal parts. We could just as well have 26 hours in a day with each one broken into 50 smaller parts of minutes and seconds.

But, the day, has always been, and if you look into any of the measurements of days on any of the other planets in our solar system and beyond, based on the length of time that it takes for that heavenly body to complete a rotation upon its axis. A day is not arbitrary and any scientist worth his salt will tell you that the measurement of a day on any heavenly body is the time it takes that body to make one full rotation.

A day on Mars, for instance, is equivalent to 37 minutes, as measured by our time, but that 37 minute long day is determined by measuring how long it takes the planet of Mars to make one full rotation. So, if one is living on Mars, then his day would last 37 minutes, according to time measured upon the earth. A day on Venus, on the other hand is very, very long in comparison to our day, but it is still determined by the length of time it takes Venus to make a full rotation on its axis. A day on Venus is the length of 116 or our days and 18 hours. But still, if you lived on Venus your day would be that long and likely then divided into smaller parts of some other length than our hour, minutes and seconds.

So, if, when God spoke the earth into existence covered in water as it were, and it was immediately spinning on its axis about the same speed that it is spinning today on its axis, then a day would pass in about 24 hours even though there would be no sun or moon in the entire heavens. The sun could implode and become non-existent tomorrow and days would still pass upon the earth so long as the earth remained in its place spinning on its axis. They'd be pretty dark and some claim pretty cold, although our atmosphere would keep heat in for at least a while, just as it does at nighttime now. There would also be no moon to see since the light of the moon is really a reflection of the light of the sun. It would be somewhat like the long night in Alaska where you could look up into the heavens pretty much 24 hours a day and all you will see is the stars scattered about the heavens. But, days would continue to pass upon the earth.

Here's a link to explain it for you:
https://prezi.com/fraqt87myqyz/what-determines-the-length-of-a-day/

Day: the time it takes a planet to complete one full rotation on its axis. Rotation The Earth rotates in a clockwise motion around its axis.

Yes, it is agreed that the days wouldn't be like the days that we are accustomed to by the rising of the sun and moon, but they would still be days. Neither were the 6 days of the creation event anything like any day that we have ever experienced, but there would have been days to pass even before the sun and moon, if the earth was spinning on its axis.

God bless,
In Christ, ted

PaulCyp1 · Jul 16, 2018

Obviously it was not literal "days". A day is the period of revolution of a planet, and is a different length of time on each planet. The "days" of creation simply mean "periods of time", and science reveals that they were very long periods of time.

Halbhh · Jul 16, 2018

Doveaman said:
How do we explain the creation week as literal 24 hour days in the light of the verses below (no pun intended)?

'Then God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness. God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day.' -- (Gen 1:4-5).

"Then God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night. He made the stars also. God set them in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth, and to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good. So the evening and the morning were the fourth day." -- (Gen 1:16-17).

The sun was made on day four.

So what was the source of the light on day one, if not the sun?

And if it was not the sun, then how can the fist three days be literal 24 hour days, since the sun is what determines a 24 hour day?

And if there was already light on the earth on day one, then how can the sun be made on day four "to give light on the earth", a light that already existed on day one?

And if the light and darkness were already divided on day one, then how can the sun be made on day four "to divide the light from the darkness", a division that already existed on day one?

I do believe, however, that all six days of creation week were literal 24 hour days.

But how do we give such a literal explanation to anyone who ask, since the literal evidence (the sun made on day four) does not seem to support it?

First, consider that we can expect Genesis chapter 1 was a vision (visions are a normal way God communicates (1 Sam 3:1)), with some brief narrations from God so that Moses would have some understanding of the scenes he was seeing, (instead of these amazing scenes, days, making no sense at all to Moses).

As a vision, the scenes are either actual or representative to real days as seen from a perspective from the surface of Earth, therefore any cloudiness would hide the sun, moon and stars, of course, until the first day with clear skies. Ergo the light in verse 3 is sensibly the light from the sun, and that's why day 1 has a morning and evening -- it's a normal day! -- just as the text says.

"...And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day."

See? It's an actual day -- Earth is rotating and lit by the sun, but the sun isn't visible in the vision scenes of day 1, 2 or 3. And God's narration to Moses helps Moses understand that this perfect home, Earth, is
"very good" for us.

A very good home. So perfectly suited as a home for us.

On day 4, a clear day allows the sun moon and stars to be seen, and they are a wonderful gift from God for us.

The Barbarian · Jul 16, 2018

συνείδησις said:
And then there's this where it says the heavens and the earth were created in one day.

These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, Genesis 2:4

Which is why Christians generally don't see the creation story as a literal history. Too many internal contradictions, if you try to make it so.

tkolter · Jul 16, 2018

We are talking about GOD here the mighty creator of everything who can bend natural law to His Divine Will with but a hint of His power and you're trying to apply mere human logic and science to this divine miracle the first true miracle in the Bible the Creation. The Bible is not a book of science but of Wonders and once you accept that you only need to trust the Bible accounts as factual and move on.

Ken Rank · Jul 16, 2018

Doveaman said:
How do we explain the creation week as literal 24 hour days in the light of the verses below (no pun intended)?

'Then God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness. God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day.' -- (Gen 1:4-5).

"Then God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night. He made the stars also. God set them in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth, and to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good. So the evening and the morning were the fourth day." -- (Gen 1:16-17).

The sun was made on day four.

So what was the source of the light on day one, if not the sun?

And if it was not the sun, then how can the fist three days be literal 24 hour days, since the sun is what determines a 24 hour day?

And if there was already light on the earth on day one, then how can the sun be made on day four "to give light on the earth", a light that already existed on day one?

And if the light and darkness were already divided on day one, then how can the sun be made on day four "to divide the light from the darkness", a division that already existed on day one?

I do believe, however, that all six days of creation week were literal 24 hour days.

But how do we give such a literal explanation to anyone who ask, since the literal evidence (the sun made on day four) does not seem to support it?

The light could be the material from which all else was created? And, it could be the gospel... in other words, the plan to bring back before anyone fell away. Yeshua said, "I am the light" and his work redeems the fallen... and I can show that God knew that we would fall before He created us. So that is two quick possibilities, I can probably come up with others... I am sure some other folks can too.

FutureAndAHope · Jul 16, 2018

Doveaman said:
How do we explain the creation week as literal 24 hour days in the light of the verses below (no pun intended)?

'Then God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness. God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day.' -- (Gen 1:4-5).

"Then God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night. He made the stars also. God set them in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth, and to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good. So the evening and the morning were the fourth day." -- (Gen 1:16-17).

The sun was made on day four.

So what was the source of the light on day one, if not the sun?

And if it was not the sun, then how can the fist three days be literal 24 hour days, since the sun is what determines a 24 hour day?

And if there was already light on the earth on day one, then how can the sun be made on day four "to give light on the earth", a light that already existed on day one?

And if the light and darkness were already divided on day one, then how can the sun be made on day four "to divide the light from the darkness", a division that already existed on day one?

I do believe, however, that all six days of creation week were literal 24 hour days.

But how do we give such a literal explanation to anyone who ask, since the literal evidence (the sun made on day four) does not seem to support it?

In my opinion there are two possibilities. If you read revelation you will see that heaven has no sun, yet there is light, it says that Jesus is the light. There is the possibility that beneath the sun is a God given light, that the sun is just a cloth, covering for what really generates the light.

The second possibility is that Genesis was passed down incorrectly through the generations. There are some typographical errors in the bible so there is also the possibility of tradition that old being modified.

mark kennedy · Jul 16, 2018

Doveaman said:
How do we explain the creation week as literal 24 hour days in the light of the verses below (no pun intended)?

'Then God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness. God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day.' -- (Gen 1:4-5).

"Then God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night. He made the stars also. God set them in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth, and to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good. So the evening and the morning were the fourth day." -- (Gen 1:16-17).

The sun was made on day four.

So what was the source of the light on day one, if not the sun?

And if it was not the sun, then how can the fist three days be literal 24 hour days, since the sun is what determines a 24 hour day?

And if there was already light on the earth on day one, then how can the sun be made on day four "to give light on the earth", a light that already existed on day one?

And if the light and darkness were already divided on day one, then how can the sun be made on day four "to divide the light from the darkness", a division that already existed on day one?

I do believe, however, that all six days of creation week were literal 24 hour days.

But how do we give such a literal explanation to anyone who ask, since the literal evidence (the sun made on day four) does not seem to support it?

Ok, the initial creation verse 1 was, ' in the begining', no special time frame. Creation week begin with the Spirit hovering over the face of the deep. The world is covered in thick clouds and water, the original light might have been the shekinah, but most likely God just thinned the clouds out some. The sun moon and stars were created as a part of the original creation, day 4 Go's is making continued adjustments to the atmosphere making the regularly visible as signs for the season's etc. If God did just thin out the clouds day one of could account for there being evening and morning.

It should be noted that this view of creation is fonsistant with the Big Bang theory and the scientific research telling us the earth at one time was covered in water and had a reducing (hydrogen rich) atmosphere. The creation of life on the other hand is a different issue entirely.

Jennifer Rothnie · Jul 16, 2018

συνείδησις said:
And then there's this where it says the heavens and the earth were created in one day.

These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, Genesis 2:4

Yom without a modifier, such as in Gen 2:4, can be figurative - referring to days, an era, a period of time, etc. Context often makes this clear. English uses a similar pattern - 'The days of King Herod' or 'in the Day of Chaucer' would be figurative uses where day or days can designate a time period.

With a modifier, however, yom is always literal. Modifiers are things like first, fourth, three, etc. All 359 times the Hebrew 'yom' is coupled with a specific time modifier (ie 'first') outside Gen 1; it's always literal! (Num 19:12, II Sam 1:1-2, Ezek 1:1-2, Ex 27:21, Num 9:15, Num 9:21, Deut 28:67, Psalm 55:17, etc) [There are the rare case of prophetic days, which are not 24 hour days, but are still distinct time periods based on the literal days. Even this cannot apply here though, as Gen 1-2 are clearly not prophecies]. For consistency with the Hebrew, then, the Gen 1 uses with modifiers must be literal. Without a modifier, yom can be specific or general depending on context - so Gen 2:4 does not contradict Gen 1.

Jennifer Rothnie · Jul 16, 2018

Valetic said:
I believe the days of creation are represented in the OT through the sabbath. Such as when the mosaic covenant was established in the wilderness, God gave them manna from Heaven to eat and they had to go gather it for the 6 days but then do no work on the 7th day. There also seems to be this universal 7 day week most of the world has observed historically. So in a way, God is setting up the universe in a way that is standardized to humans in the days of creation. We go to bed for a certain amount of time, we go to work for a certain amount of time before we become tired, and the cycle repeats itself.

Well the bible doesn't specify what the "light" is. It just is. And so is the darkness. Since the Heaven and Earth are created first, obviously the rest of the physical universe is created with the Earth in mind. But regardless there was light and there was darkness, there was day and there was night, there was evening and there was morning, the first day.

There are several verses that might hint to what that light could be, or at least hint at it's existence IMO. My favorite of which is Revelations 22:5 when it says, "There will be no more night. They will not need the light of a lamp or the light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them light." (NIV)

Jesus says He is the "light of the world" in the gospels. Contextually, you wouldn't say that Jesus is the light in the days of creation, but that doesn't out rule the possibility if it. There was no light, then God spoke it into existence, and it just existed. God is the great I AM through whom light exists. Sunlight is sunlight. I might be implying here that God is in fact the source of the light that He created on day 1.

Then for some reason on day 4 it would seem He would let the material universe handle the days and nights.

Good thoughts. I'd also add to those verses these:

"The Son is the effulgence of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven." Heb 1:3

Effulgence/radiance here is a shining forth. It's like the rays of the sun which make the sun 'visible' to us on Earth.

And an even clearer passage, perhaps:

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it." Jn 1:1-4

I remember as a young adult reading that for the umpteenth time and finally realizing it's parallels to Gen 1:1-5 in wording and subject. Now, if we assume that this is on purpose (likely) it could very well be showing that Jesus was the light prior to the sun. This wouldn't mean God had to 'create' Jesus or anything - but rather that God would have commanded that Christ reveal light to the world physically during creation, just as Christ would bring spiritual light to the world millenia later.

There is also a bit of a hint in Jer 33:25-26 that shows that God's covenant with the Day/Night (i.e. making the stars and moon for signs) was meant to serve as a physical reminder of His Covenant of grace - that there would be a redeemer from the seed of Abraham/David, etc. (Jesus.)

That doesn't completely prove that Jesus was the light - but a strong case could be made for it. It also could be just that God created light and controlled it separately from any lesser sources, and just bound the light to individual sources on Day 4.

Not me · Jul 16, 2018

miamited said:
Hi not me,

Yes, I have read up on some of the info regarding the soft tissue find. There are actually quite a few extrapolated proofs that the creation could actually be as young as about 6,000 years. Of course, much like those who are sold on President Trump like to think of any news that might show him in a bad light as being 'fake' news, those who believe in similarly extrapolated proofs that the creation is millions or billions of years old consider such evidences as being 'fake' evidence.

I'm one who has convinced myself that there is nothing that God does that we can prove through the science of man. We can't prove that God flooded the entire planet. We can't prove that water at least several hundred feet deep stood at attention on both the left and right hand of the Israelites as they passed through the sea. We can't prove that there was a night in which every first born child and cattle animal died by some miraculous sweep of death. We can't prove that the Nile has ever run red with blood or that digging into the dirt to get water only brought forth blood. We can't prove that the sun has ever stood still in the sky for nearly an entire period of daylight or that it ever moved in such a way as to cause a shadow to back up about 10 feet. We can't prove that Mary was still a virgin when Jesus was born of her womb.

But, we live by faith, that there is a God who loves us and wants us to know 'why' we were created. That He wants us, understanding why we were created, to love Him in return and seek for the promise of eternal life with Him that He holds out for those with such faith. That this God created man for the same reason that He created the angelic realm. He wants to have a relationship with His creation. He desires, and will achieve by His will, the day when He will bring all of this to an end and gather those who have understood and loved Him to be His people and He will be our God.

As I have studied the Scriptures, I see a clear and concise plan that God is working out in this realm from the very first command that there be light to the culmination of the plan when there will be no more weeping or mourning or pain. A plan that takes a sinner who has failed to live up to God's expectations and renews that sinner and forgives that sin to enjoy eternal life with Him. Just as the first man was created to achieve. Once man began questioning the authority of God in Eve and Adam, then God needed to provide a way of salvation.

From God's call to Abram of Ur, to the building of a special nation of people to be His people upon the earth, to the giving of His Son for our redemption, God has created this realm of living beings that He calls man to co-exist with the other realm of living beings that He has created that He calls angels. In the end, God will separate, both of men and angels, those who love Him from those who don't. In that final existence, according to His Son, those who have chosen to refuse His love and mercy and continue to live their lives in defiance of God will live a life of eternal torment. Those who have accepted God's offer of mercy and choose to live in obedience to Him, will live an eternal existence of peace with God.

That seems to be the simple nuts and bolts of God's plan. But, everything that God has done by His hand in this realm of creation, will never be proven by the science of man.

God bless,
In Christ, ted

I couldn’t agree more, God has called us into fellowship with Himself. That we might come to know Him in all reality and truth. That we might, starting in the here and now, come to have that personal relationship with Christ. That it might grow and grow, and be enlarged. That today, we might know Him a little more than we did yesterday. And tomorrow a little more than today. Blessing to you my brother in Christ.

Much love in Christ, Not me

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