How can creation week be literal 24 hour days?

[BobRyan]

Where exactly did I state that "nothing else happened" or "nothing was done"?

here

Again, you need to address this if you disagree "On each day it is clear that God has not Done something but rather to have Said something, not to have Made something but to have Commanded something." .

Your argument is "with the text"

Genesis 2
Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

What part of "MADE" are you not getting?? -- you are debating against the text again... debating against "the obvious"

. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

Your argument would be with the many Bible scholars

My argument is not with the Word of God. And there is where we differ.

You have chosen the ever-fickle creative-writing of man...I choose the Word of God

 

[BobRyan]

So let us take Psalm 33 and try and understand this passage

Let's do - it is another great example of "the obvious"

Ps 33
6 By the word of the Lord were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.
7 He gathereth the waters of the sea together as an heap: he layeth up the depth in storehouses.
8 Let all the earth fear the Lord: let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him.
9 For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast.

Blows away your entire argument as everyone can instantly see.

obviously.

Your practice of quoting a text that refutes your entire position - for all the readers to see... then doing a victory dance over it as if you had proved anything at all... is astounding.

 

[BobRyan]

*The sixth day remains a question as to time:

Just not in real life

In real life we can SEE in the text that there is "no question at all"

But as you learned, the "days" in chapter 1, and the "day" in chapter 2, are not calendar days.

As for Genesis 1:2-2:4 your statement is Not true according To God Himself speaking and writing in Exodus 20:8-11 where we see the days of Exodus 20 are drawn out as the same as Genesis 1-2:3

Ex 16
, “This is what the Lord meant: Tomorrow is the Sabbath observance, a holy sabbath to the Lord. Bake what you will bake and boil what you will boil, and all that is left over put aside to be kept until morning.” 24 So they put it aside until morning, as Moses had ordered, and it did not become foul nor was there any worm in it. 25 Moses said, “Eat it today, for today is the Sabbath to the Lord; today you will not find it in the field. 26 Six days you shall gather it, but on the seventh day, the sabbath, there will be none.”
27 It came about on the seventh day that some of the people went out to gather, but they found none.

Sorry, He doesn't say they are calendar days there, either.

True - in Exodus 16 He did not say "six calendar days".

Was your point that they had to starve for a 6 months and eat the 7th month?

Exodus 20 -- do they work for 60 days then rest for 7 minutes?

Exodus 20
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter, your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

How much bend-and-wrench can be done to the text and still have that exercise taken seriously?

Your argument would be with the many Bible scholars

My argument is not with the Word of God. And there is where we differ.

You have chosen the ever-fickle creative-writing of man...I choose the Word of God

 

[Jamsie]

As usual -- your argument is "with the text" ... it is "the text" that has "both said and made" for each of the days. Contrary to your entire line of creative writing that we should ignore the "made" and see only "said" with the end of those 6 literal days being "nothing made" and "all incomplete".

Again, you insist on false statements to defend your non-position. Where did I say ignore "made"? Rather I asked you to define it in terms of "Said"? That you have not to date been able to do.

That is not a question - obviously.

Again, you have failed to answer what "Made" means relative to "Said", that is what is obvious...if it is so obvious then we await your explanation?

A distinction without a difference in the case of Genesis 1.

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Again, you refuse to understand even a modicum of Hebrew structure... so it would be difficult to understand the difference since you know nothing about it. Why not look it up and learn something...

Circular reasoning - and the obvious logical fallacy of using your own false alternative

Again, you didn't answer the question...how is it circular reasoning? Does the Bible say "And God said,..."? If so you need to explain what that means...are you unable to give a reasoned answer? Stating something is "obvious" is not an answer it is an avoidance!

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It is in the text -- you argue as IF I wrote the text.
Your argument is "with the text".
Obviously

Obviously not an answer, AGAIN! We all know it is in the text, but until you are able to explain "made" in relation to "Said" you are simply avoiding the question and fumbling with vague generalizations.

You placed a question mark at the end of your own statement. Try English syntax. God made from nothing... "3 By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible.".
Less gaming... more Bible please.

Again, answer the question instead of your evasions. What does "And God said, Let the land produce..." mean? That was God's command, and I'm sure you understand that the command follows "God said", not to living creatures but to the Land...please answer? Again, you do not answer the question however, you post a verse that supports what I have been saying, interesting ...isn't it?

I wrote: Again, you need to address this if you disagree "On each day it is clear that God has not Done something but rather to have Said something, not to have Made something but to have Commanded something."

You wrote - here

Yet you also post "By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible.".

Again, you do not answer the question however, you post a verse that supports what I have been saying, interesting ...isn't it? Exactly what I've been saying, "And God said,..." Said and the various commands. So what scripture states is that the universe was formed by God's command...which was spoken...which is all-sufficient...which is Genesis 1 stating as you show in the verse...God saying something, and God commanding something. Instead of evading show me where that is my creative take or where that is obviously wrong?​

What part of "MADE" are you not getting?? You are debating against "the obvious" again.

I've defined Made in the Genesis and all scriptural context as relating to Said (the spoken command) and you affirmed that with Hebrews 11:3. Perhaps you are unclear as to what God's command means?

 

[Jamsie]

Let's do - it is another great example of "the obvious"

Ps 33
6 By the word of the Lord were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.
7 He gathereth the waters of the sea together as an heap: he layeth up the depth in storehouses.
8 Let all the earth fear the Lord: let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him.
9 For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast.

Blows away your entire argument as everyone can instantly see.

obviously.

Your practice of quoting a text that refutes your entire position - for all the readers to see... then doing a victory dance over it as if you had proved anything at all... is astounding.

Interesting that you avoided answering but what you have set forth absolutely supports exactly what I have been saying...

he spake … "And God said, …" and By the word of God … "And God said,..."

Thank you for finally seeing what scripture makes clear...

 

[Jamsie]

Just not in real life
In real life we can SEE in the text that there is "no question at all"

As for Genesis 1:2-2:4 your statement is Not true according To God Himself speaking and writing in Exodus 20:8-11 where we see the days of Exodus 20 are drawn out as the same as Genesis 1-2:3

Ex 16
, “This is what the Lord meant: Tomorrow is the Sabbath observance, a holy sabbath to the Lord. Bake what you will bake and boil what you will boil, and all that is left over put aside to be kept until morning.” 24 So they put it aside until morning, as Moses had ordered, and it did not become foul nor was there any worm in it. 25 Moses said, “Eat it today, for today is the Sabbath to the Lord; today you will not find it in the field. 26 Six days you shall gather it, but on the seventh day, the sabbath, there will be none.”
27 It came about on the seventh day that some of the people went out to gather, but they found none.

True - in Exodus 16 He did not say "six calendar days".

Was your point that they had to starve for a 6 months and eat the 7th month?

Exodus 20 -- do they work for 60 days then rest for 7 minutes?

Exodus 20
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter, your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

How much bend-and-wrench can be done to the text and still have that exercise taken seriously?

Your argument would be with the many Bible scholars that have unpacked the Hebrew narrative to show that the 24 hour day is not written in "stone". Then again you seem unwilling and unable to view or humbly accept that your interpretation is not the only one with validity.

"Linguistic scholars acknowledge the Hebrew word yôm (translated “day” in English) has several literal meanings: a period of daylight, 12-hour day, 24-hour day, time, period of time with unspecified duration, and epoch of time.6 While modern English has numerous words to describe a long time-span, no word in biblical Hebrew adequately denotes a finite epoch of time other than yôm."

"Many in the young-earth community point to Exodus 20:9-11 as evidence for a creation week of 24-hour days: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Reference to the Sabbath in Exodus 20 illustrates God’s pattern of six days of work and one day of rest, not their duration: God’s six yôms (epochs) of creating and one of rest. Man’s six days of work and one day of rest. The land’s six years of cultivation and one year of rest (Leviticus 25:4). Gleason Archer notes, “By no means does this demonstrate that 24-hour intervals were involved in the first six ‘days,’ any more than the eight-day celebration of the Feast of Tabernacles proves that the wilderness wanderings under Moses occupied only eight days.”

Hosea 6:2, He will revive us after two days; He will raise us up on the third day. This refers to Israel’s ultimate restoration hundreds or thousands of years in the future.

Zechariah 14:7-8 suggests yôm echad will be a period of time spanning at least one summer and one winter, obviously longer than a 24-hour calendar day.

"Other Hebrew language scholars (C. John Collins, Bruce Waltke, and Rodney Whitefield) agree the evening/morning phrase does not necessitate a 24-hour day interpretation. Collins comments that the order of evening and morning is a time-span that includes no daylight. While it is commonly thought that evening/morning represents a “day,” Collins says “Logically, this is nonsense [since] a day must describe 24 hours or at least a period of daylight.” He further states “and there was evening, and there was morning” brackets the night and marks the end points of each workday of God."

Edward J. Young (1907-1968), regarded as the epitome of conservative exegetical orthodoxy: “But then there arises the question as the length of these days. That is a question which is difficult to answer. Indications are not lacking that they may have been longer than the days we now know, but the Scripture itself does not speak as clearly as one might like.”

So if you think and believe that your reading of Genesis is the only valid one...you are quite mistaken. It would appear that what you claim as "obvious" is by no means as you suggest...

 

[BobRyan]

God spoke - at it was. end of story according to Psalms 33.


http://www.wnd.com/2018/07/media-silent-on-genetic-study-defying-evolution/

from the article:

"May 2018, when Mark Stoeckle from the Rockefeller University in New York and David Thaler at the University of Basel in Switzerland, both evolutionary scientists, published in the Journal of Human Evolution the results of their meticulous and sweeping genetic study of the DNA barcodes of more than 100,000 animal species and humans showing man and all the animals seem to have sprung to life spontaneously no more than 200,000 years ago.

Since then, not one major news agency has reported the shocking findings. There has not been any significant attempt at refutation of the research by the evolutionary scientific community. There are no reports of an uproar in the science academy.

“This conclusion is very surprising, and I fought against it as hard as I could,” researcher and co-author Thaler told one interviewer.

The first report on the study came in Phys.org, which concluded the findings are “sure to jostle, if not overturn, more than one settled idea about how evolution unfolds.” Yet, even that report buried the lead under the headline: “Sweeping gene survey reveals new facets of evolution.”...

The researchers examined some 5 million gene snapshots, or DNA barcodes, collected from 100,000 animal species by hundreds of researchers around the world and deposited in the U.S. government-run GenBank database....

Nathaniel Jeanson, who holds a Ph.D. from Harvard University in cell and developmental biology and the author of the book “Replacing Darwin,” says, “There’s a great danger to the evolutionary model in this study in ways they don’t quite realize yet.”

He notes, of course, the fact that many species formed contemporaneously with modern human beings. But he adds that data strongly suggests that the mitochondrial DNA clocks of modern humans “formed within the last 6,000 years.” That would be a confirmation of the literal Genesis account of Creation. He also asserts, after studying the data released in the report that suggests many, if not most, of the species “formed within the last 6,000 years.”

 

[BobRyan]

"Linguistic scholars acknowledge the Hebrew word yôm (translated “day” in English) has several literal meanings: a period of daylight, 12-hour day, 24-hour day, time, period of time with unspecified duration, and epoch of time.6

But they don't argue that it has all those meanings in Exodus 20:8-11 or in Genesis 1:2-2:3.

Details you leave out of your notes are the ones that matter.

 

[BobRyan]

"Many in the young-earth community point to Exodus 20:9-11 as evidence for a creation week of 24-hour days: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day.

Or to be more precise

"SIX DAYS you shall labor... For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day.

(details matter) Particularly the ones you leave out of your comment

Reference to the Sabbath in Exodus 20 illustrates God’s pattern of six days of work and one day of rest,

And also that the duration is the same six days as the work week.

"SIX DAYS you shall labor... For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day.

(details matter)

What is more "TOMORROW is the Sabbath" Exodus 16 -- so it is not merely "a pattern of six days" rather it is THE VERY six days and the VERY seventh day that God is signifying.

(details matter) Particularly the ones you leave out of your comment

 

[BobRyan]

So let us take Psalm 33 and try and understand this passage

Let's do - it is another great example of "the obvious"

Ps 33
6 By the word of the Lord were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.
7 He gathereth the waters of the sea together as an heap: he layeth up the depth in storehouses.
8 Let all the earth fear the Lord: let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him.
9 For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast.

Blows away your entire argument as everyone can instantly see.

obviously.

Your practice of quoting a text that refutes your entire position - for all the readers to see... then doing a victory dance over it as if you had proved anything at all... is astounding.

Interesting that you avoided answering

Answering what???

Ask a serious question -- get a serious answer.

But ask non-serious "what is the meaning of is.. or of said... or of made" and get the detail that you are "Questioning the obvious" you are merely "asking that the obvious be explained to you"

-- which instantly gives me the option of NOT doing that - since the reader already "sees the obvious".

A win which you seem to enjoy continually handing me for reasons I cannot explain.

Your efforts to focus on details that make no difference in the text - is not helping your argument. It just makes your case appear to confine itself to "Fluff" -- as in "arguing with the text and then asking the obvious to be explained to you" in an endless "tell me what the meaning of "IS" is"

 

[Jamsie]

Let's do - it is another great example of "the obvious"

Ps 33
6 By the word of the Lord were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.
7 He gathereth the waters of the sea together as an heap: he layeth up the depth in storehouses.
8 Let all the earth fear the Lord: let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him.
9 For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast.

Blows away your entire argument as everyone can instantly see.

obviously.

Your practice of quoting a text that refutes your entire position - for all the readers to see... then doing a victory dance over it as if you had proved anything at all... is astounding.



Answering what???

Ask a serious question -- get a serious answer.

But ask non-serious "what is the meaning of is.. or of said... or of made" and get the detail that you are "Questioning the obvious" you are merely "asking that the obvious be explained to you"

-- which instantly gives me the option of NOT doing that - since the reader already "sees the obvious".

A win which you seem to enjoy continually handing me for reasons I cannot explain.

Your efforts to focus on details that make no difference in the text - is not helping your argument. It just makes your case appear to confine itself to "Fluff" -- as in "arguing with the text and then asking the obvious to be explained to you" in an endless "tell me what the meaning of "IS" is"

Sorry Bob...you are once again "grasping at straws" and you remain unable to answer the questions. You believe that your avoidance of giving answers to the text and words contained therein amounts to some well thought and relevant response...it does not as anyone can see. You can't even explain what you claim to be "obvious", and then you extract little tidbits and proclaim "details matter" … so do the words, context, logic, and understanding but you seem to avoid such.

It is "obvious" as to the person relying on "fluff", avoidance, "gymnastics", illogic, lack of reading comprehension, and you are the only one "arguing" with the text simply because you are unable to either understand or explain the "text".

I hardly think an article in wnd, a bogus site, will deter serious people, but it will play to those so inclined to "believe anything" that supports their narrow bias. Here is a challenge, since you believe that the wnd article is conclusive, post this in the Creation and Theistic Evolution forum - I've no doubt that you won't.

I didn't ask you what the meaning of "is" is...but actually regarding the words of scripture … which unfortunately it appears of no import to you or you simply believe words don't matter.

Again, sorry but you refuted your "argument", if one can call it that, already with - he spake … "And God said, …" and By the word of God … "And God said,..." - What you don't seem to comprehend, which was the point from the start, was that God's command was the sole operative agent of creation, which you have finally illustrated with your post. Therefore, anyone would realize that "made" must refer to "And God said,...(command/fiat)" since the Bible "obviously" states that "he spake" defines the how of all creation.

You wrote - A win which you seem to enjoy continually handing me for reasons I cannot explain.

I would agree with you regarding your "I cannot explain." because that has been obvious from your lack of answers. There are two basic types of Bible readers--those who superficially skim the text and those who look deeper to gain understanding, the latter involves a sense of humility and an openness to the treasures beneath.

 

[Jamsie]

Jamsie said: "Reference to the Sabbath in Exodus 20 illustrates God’s pattern of six days of work and one day of rest, And also that the duration is the same six days as the work week."

You wrote: "SIX DAYS you shall labor... For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day.

(details matter)

Since you claim details matter here is the quote with full context:

"Reference to the Sabbath in Exodus 20 illustrates God’s pattern of six days of work and one day of rest, not their duration: God’s six yôms (epochs) of creating and one of rest. Man’s six days of work and one day of rest. The land’s six years of cultivation and one year of rest (Leviticus 25:4). Gleason Archer notes, “By no means does this demonstrate that 24-hour intervals were involved in the first six ‘days,’ any more than the eight-day celebration of the Feast of Tabernacles proves that the wilderness wanderings under Moses occupied only eight days.”

As I've pointed out myriad times Bible scholars, theologians, etc. disagree on many aspects of Genesis 1. Of course they don't find it "obvious" but are willing to do the work in Hebrew, structure, context, support passages, etc. that many people simply don't choose to do. To those who actually read the Bible in a non-superficial manner it would tend to bring a certain humility in an attempt to understand … realizing that "... yet they cannot fathom what God has done from beginning to end". (Ecc. 3)

 

[Tomb523]

And if it was not the sun, then how can the fist three days be literal 24 hour days, since the sun is what determines a 24 hour day?

Are you sure the Sun determines the 24 hour time frame? Most scientist say the 24 hours is determined by the time it takes the earth to rotate one revolution. From that perspective, it doesn't require a sun to determine 24 hours, it just helps us measure it.

 

[Mark51]

The Bible does not specify the length of each of the creative periods. Yet all six of them have ended-with respect to the sixth day. (Genesis 1:31) However, regarding the seventh day, God proceeded to rest, indicating that it continued. (Genesis 2:1-3) Thousands of years later and before the seventh day concluded, Paul indicated that it was still in progress. At Hebrews 4:1-11 he referred to the earlier words of David (Psalms 95:10, 11) and urged: “Let us therefore do our utmost to enter into that rest.”

By the apostle’s time, the seventh day had been continuing for thousands of years and had not yet ended. Also, indicative of this, Peter likened what a day means to God. -2 Peter 3:8.

 

[ChristaLife]

The Bible does not specify the length of each of the creative periods. Yet all six of them have ended-with respect to the sixth day. (Genesis 1:31) However, regarding the seventh day, God proceeded to rest, indicating that it continued. (Genesis 2:1-3) Thousands of years later and before the seventh day concluded, Paul indicated that it was still in progress. At Hebrews 4:1-11 he referred to the earlier words of David (Psalms 95:10, 11) and urged: “Let us therefore do our utmost to enter into that rest.”

By the apostle’s time, the seventh day had been continuing for thousands of years and had not yet ended. Also, indicative of this, Peter likened what a day means to God. -2 Peter 3:8.

Ignorance is a disease but what is worst is when you do not know you are ignorant. I am choosing my words carefully and in relation to what has been going on in this discussion so far. It appears people do not know the bible and as such lack understanding. The painful thing is that they really do not want to learn the truth but to keep up their line of argument which shows that they are really not interested in learning the truth.
The rest in Genesis referred to the 7th day "and the lord rested and hallowed it". It was finished as a day. It further said in Exodus "six days shall thou labour and do all thy work but the seventh day is the day of rest. Thou shall not do any wk ................" This God ordering the week for us how to spend it. The seventh day is and has always been our weekend. WHAT WILL YOU DO IF SOMEONE WERE TO TAKE THE WEEKEND AWAY FROM YOU?

"ENTER INTO YOUR REST" This is like the confusion you have been expressing here all along where bu you equate "day light" day with 24 hours day. they are different. The rest refer to here is the rest after DEATH. Do we not always say "MAY YOUR SOUL REST IN PEACE" TO THE DEAD?

IT JUST OCCUR TO ME JUST NOW THAT MAY BE THE PROBLEM HERE IS THAT YOUR FIRST LANGUAGE IS NOT ENGLISH . If that is the case I will advise that you get a bible in the language you know and understand very well.
At Hebrews 4:1-11 he referred to the earlier words of David (Psalms 95:10, 11) and urged: “Let us therefore do our utmost to enter into that rest.”
This means WHAT EVER YOU DO IN LIFE MAKE SURE YOU DO WHAT IS RIGHT AS STATED IN THE BIBLE TO ENTER INTO HEAVEN

If you died without being saved YOU WILL GO TO HELL where there is pain and gnashing of teeth. THERE IS NO REST THERE.
If you made it to heaven then there will be NO MORE SORROW NO MORE PAIN NO MORE DISEASE NO MORE DEATH NO MORE HUNGER NO MORE DARKNESS AND MUCH MORE.

1 Corinthians 2:9
But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

Hebrews 4:1-11
1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.

2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.

5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.

6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:

7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.

8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.

9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

 

[Jamsie]

Ignorance is a disease but what is worst is when you do not know you are ignorant. I am choosing my words carefully and in relation to what has been going on in this discussion so far. It appears people do not know the bible and as such lack understanding. The painful thing is that they really do not want to learn the truth but to keep up their line of argument which shows that they are really not interested in learning the truth.

It is often found that such remarks have more to do with the person making such an assertion, as they are talking into a mirror. That one would call the interpretations by myriad Bible scholars and Christians ignorant tends more to the arrogance of the speaker than to those to whom it is addressed.

This is precisely why an attitude of humility should accompany any contentious disagreement in interpretations of passages having no bearing on salvation.

"ENTER INTO YOUR REST" This is like the confusion you have been expressing here all along where bu you equate "day light" day with 24 hours day. they are different. The rest refer to here is the rest after DEATH. Do we not always say "MAY YOUR SOUL REST IN PEACE" TO THE DEAD?

Many disagree with you on this point as it can have meaning beyond your singular perspective.

The text gives meaning to several "rests", one as heavenly and one as a "saving" rest for those believers in Christ (Matthew 11:28). The former points to the future and the latter would be the present.

The overall point is simply this, one can have their own interpretation of a passage of scripture while understanding that others may have a different, and valid one as well. One's own viewpoint/opinion can and should be argued and defended however, to term another's interpretation "ignorant" serves little purpose. The inspired writers did not detail all things but left many of the peripheral issues open to question...which is why there is a Theology forum and differences of opinion.

 

[ChristaLife]

It is often found that such remarks have more to do with the person making such an assertion, as they are talking into a mirror. That one would call the interpretations by myriad Bible scholars and Christians ignorant tends more to the arrogance of the speaker than to those to whom it is addressed.

This is precisely why an attitude of humility should accompany any contentious disagreement in interpretations of passages having no bearing on salvation.

Rebuke a wise man and he shall yet be wiser. That is the way it is in Christianity. Our relationship is based on love and if love you and you are my brother indeed them I SHOULD BE ABLE TO TALK TO YOU FRANKLY. All because i want you to make heaven. I was not putting you down but yet I was giving you a knock on the head.

Many disagree with you on this point as it can have meaning beyond your singular perspective.

The text gives meaning to several "rests", one as heavenly and one as a "saving" rest for those believers in Christ (Matthew 11:28). The former points to the future and the latter would be the present.

The overall point is simply this, one can have their own interpretation of a passage of scripture while understanding that others may have a different, and valid one as well. One's own viewpoint/opinion can and should be argued and defended however, to term another's interpretation "ignorant" serves little purpose. The inspired writers did not detail all things but left many of the peripheral issues open to question...which is why there is a Theology forum and differences of opinion.

At the moment I don't see many people . I only see you and I am talking to you. Of course other will or may read it.
This is the reason i question if your first language is English. REST has different meaning but in use it only has one meaning. That is in a sentence the meaning of a word is one even though each word on its own can have many meaning. In Matthew 11:28 the word rest means salvation In "God rest on the seventh day" The word rest means no work . if i may also add IT DOES NOT MEAN DO NOTHING AT ALL. The bible says God hallowed it. That mean it is the day you give your best to God a day of thanking God for seeing you through another week. FOR REST AS IN DOING NOTHING GOD GAVE YOU THE NIGHTS. IN FACT GOD DESIGNED US TO HAVE NIGHTLY SLEEP OR A SLEEP WITHIN EVERY 24 HOURS.
The rest in Hebrews 4:1-11 ONLY MEANS ETERNAL LIFE IN HEAVEN. NO OTHER MEANING

The overall point is simply this, one can have their own interpretation of a passage of scripture while understanding that others may have a different, and valid one as well. One's own viewpoint/opinion can and should be argued and defended however, to term another's interpretation "ignorant" serves little purpose. The inspired writers did not detail all things but left many of the peripheral issues open to question...which is why there is a Theology forum and differences of opinion.

You prove my point about calling you ignorant in this comment.
Understand this very clearly now
THE BIBLE IS NOT YOUR COMMON TEXT BOOKS IS IS NOT A SCIENCE FICTION
IT IS THE WORD OF GOD WRITTEN BY HUMAN HANDS. When it was completed God then chose another to bind it together . He gave them wisdom to carefully select exclusively what came from him only . Then he said DO NOT ADD TO IT OR TAKE AWAY FROM IT.

THE INTERPRETATION IS OF GOD ONLY AND NOT OF MAN SO THE INTERPRETATION IS ONE. THERE IS ONLY ONE INTERPRETATION
2 Peter 1:20-21 King James Version (KJV)
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

To understand the word of God then YOU NEED THE HOLY GHOST IN YOUR LIFE.

I think Christian forum is about finding the ONE truth about the word of God and God. It is not and should not be about pushing human ideas.

1. You must come with a humble heart to learn and of course ask question.

2. You must have an open mind to receive because if there is something rooted there already you will not be able to take in the truth.

3. You must accept it is the word of God and not of man.

4. You must depend on the holy ghost for the truth

5. You must know that there is only one truth because God is true and his words are true and straight to the point. Even when written in parables it still has one interpretation

6. You must also accept that everything God talks about is for you own absolute goodness it is the best there can ever be


Of course the list goes on but it is always all about God.

 

[Doveaman]

Well the bible doesn't specify what the "light" is.

Well then we should go with the simplest answer: Sunlight.

''Then God said, "Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear."...Then God said, "Let the land produce vegetation...And there was evening, and there was morning — the third day.' -- (Gen 1:9-13)

Vegetation on day three required sunlight to grow.

This indicates that the light on day one was sunlight.

When the land emerged from the water on day three it became exposed to the sunlight from day one, and vegetation began to grow.

The sun then became visible on day four.

 

[Jamsie]

Rebuke a wise man and he shall yet be wiser. That is the way it is in Christianity. Our relationship is based on love and if love you and you are my brother indeed them I SHOULD BE ABLE TO TALK TO YOU FRANKLY. All because i want you to make heaven. I was not putting you down but yet I was giving you a knock on the head.

Thank you for your consideration however, perhaps you might consider giving thought to my "rebuke". The problem is that the total context of Hebrews 4 must be understood in the light of Hebrews 3. The interpretive problem lies in the failure to take in any bible subject with only the narrowest focus of selected verses/thoughts. The statement that Hebrews 4:1-11 "ONLY MEANS ETERNAL LIFE IN HEAVEN", I'm not disagreeing but it dismisses the totality of what is being set forth. To understand Hebrews 4 one must give consideration to Chapter 3 with reference to the Israelites and their desert wanderings. There they rebelled against the promises of God and failed to trust in him, the promise of Canaan as their place of rest. Canaan is not a type of heaven but rather a promise, that can be accepted through faith or rejected. Hebrews 3:14 "We have come to share in Christ..." which is the promise God has given to us if we do not reject or disobey. Hebrews 4:1 confirms that the promise still stands, if the promise still stands how then could the "day" have ended? It does turn personal yet the promise of rest continues, based on faith and belief in Christ not on our works or merit by our own effort but by resting on him. There exists no "Rest" without Christ. Hebrews 4:3 "Now we who have believed enter that rest..." this verse does not in any way suggest that one must die to enter but rather today through belief in Jesus Christ one enters. In Greek the word "enter" (eiserchomaetha) is present indicative and informs us the action was going on at the present time.

Today, as in verse 9 clearly states that there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. Therefore the "rest" is still open, through Faith, trust, and belief in the saving work of Christ we can find rest in him without "fear" to then gain the ultimate promise of Rest.

The rest refer to here is the rest after DEATH. Do we not always say "MAY YOUR SOUL REST IN PEACE" TO THE DEAD?

The question would be do you at present "rest" in the promises of God? Also, RIP is a social amenity a mere pleasantry for if you knew that the deceased person was an ardent Atheist you would know that the person's soul will not rest in peace.

At the moment I don't see many people . I only see you and I am talking to you.

Of course other will or may read it. This is the reason i question if your first language is English.

Actually you may not see "many people" but our accumulated knowledge is based on many people. We all have built our thoughts, opinions, and interpretations based on the teachings of pastors, theologians, Bible scholars, perhaps parents, and these sermons, writings, and such through prayer for guidance and study of God's word. Since the Bible was essentially in Hebrew and Greek rather silly to rely on English, isn't it? Did you ever wonder why there are myriad discussions, disagreements, and differing thoughts on the various theological subjects even with people who have English as a first language?

REST has different meaning but in use it only has one meaning. That is in a sentence the meaning of a word is one even though each word on its own can have many meaning. In Matthew 11:28 the word rest means salvation

No, the Greek word used for rest is anapaúō which is defined as to give rest, give intermission from labor. Since God has given us reason in order to have an understanding of Him we can make rational judgements as to the wider implications of certain passages, is that adding or taking away?

You prove my point about calling you ignorant in this comment.
Understand this very clearly now
THE BIBLE IS NOT YOUR COMMON TEXT BOOKS IS IS NOT A SCIENCE FICTION
IT IS THE WORD OF GOD WRITTEN BY HUMAN HANDS.

When it was completed God then chose another to bind it together . He gave them wisdom to carefully select exclusively what came from him only . Then he said DO NOT ADD TO IT OR TAKE AWAY FROM IT.
THE INTERPRETATION IS OF GOD ONLY AND NOT OF MAN SO THE INTERPRETATION IS ONE. THERE IS ONLY ONE INTERPRETATION

What is clear to me is that your remark above is as noted previous, you talking in a mirror. Are you familiar with the term Ad hominem? Why are there so many denominations within the sphere of Christianity? In spite of the fact that all use the same basic Bible why are there disagreements over eschatology, creationism, baptism, etc.? Should women be pastors or preachers? How about "Once saved, always saved? Are the miraculous gifts available today or are do you believe in cessationism? Calvinism versus Arminianism? Does God have legs, hands, fingers, and is not omniscient? Can you show me where it was suggested that the Bible is science fiction? If the Trinity is not explicitly defined in the Bible is it acceptable to infer from various passages such, without adding or taking away?

No, there is not only one interpretation on peripheral subjects, though you seem to think so. It may come as a shock but we are not God, and God has chosen not to detail all aspects of either every theological subject or of physical reality. God endowed us with reason to know the truth, to apprehend facts, and the primary ideas concerning the world around us and especially of Him, essential to any subsequent knowledge. God wrote two books, the Bible for spiritual reality and nature for physical reality... we can not know God from "beginning to end" nor can we understand nature completely, though some people seem to think so.

 

[Doveaman]

Sun created on the 4th day WHY WILL IT BE THE SAME AS THE ONE ON THE 1ST DAY. BETTER TO FOLLOW G OD NOT HUMAN LOGIC. HUMAN LOGICS ARE ALWAYS FAULTY.

The sun was not "created" on the 4th day; the sun was "made" on the 4th day.

"Then God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night. He made the stars also." -- (Gen 1:16)

There's a difference between "created" and "made", as I explained here.

I'm not saying it's impossible, but it certainly is unlikely that God would create all the stars in the universe in one day.

If the earth took God six days to create, one might expect that it took God many days to create all the other stars and planets in the universe.