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How can anyone justify not believing in capital punishment?

sealacamp

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It is only by surrendering to the two great commandments that one may have eternal life.

Not quite. It is only by surrendering to the Lord Himself after being broken that we are remade and given the opportunity to have life eternal with Him. We surrender to Him nothing more, nothing less.

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Not quite. It is only by surrendering to the Lord Himself after being broken that we are remade and given the opportunity to have life eternal with Him. We surrender to Him nothing more, nothing less.

Sealacamp

The bible and Jesus disagree with your ideology. But let's let Christ speak for Himself:

25And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life.

26He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?

27And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.

28And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.

Ahh...the simplicity Christ. Love, love, love! Without it, we are doomed despite man made rituals that claim to offer salvation. Love is the key to salvation. Dodge the truth as many will try, one can't claim to know God, if they don't know love. "For many will come in my name and I will say to them, I never knew you".

Truth is, it's hard to offer love, especially toward someone who has done terrible things. But I speculate, that's why it's such a big deal to Christ, because it is the ultimate denial of ones own fleshy feelings and desires. Love in itself IS obedience to God and why if you follow these two commands, you shall live. You can add anything to this equation you like, but without love, it's all for nothing. Or, just call Jesus a liar and we can agree to disagree and move on. Either case, I stand on the words of Christ.
 
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They wouldn't care less if he "converted" or not.

Do not assume to speak for the families of those who have been killed at his hands. I am seriously and completely SEETHING right now at seeing that statement.

I'm so sick of people who have no idea what they are talking about piping up about "the victim's families", as if they are some sort of advocate for me. Here's a news flash: I am a family member of TWO Al-Qaeda victims and YOU do not speak for me. Ever. Period.

Do not open your mouth in regards to something you are ignorant about. If Osama had come to Christ I would have rejoiced, because it would have been an incredible testament to the LORD's glory and power. Would it have brought my family members back? Of course not. Would it erase my pain? Never. But it would mean another soul saved. The rest of my family feels similarly.

I am not against the death penalty, and considering the situation I don't feel like the military members had any choice but shoot him or lose their own life. But I certainly wasn't dancing in the streets when he died. Why on earth would I? It doesn't make me happy to know someone is burning in hell, because the ONLY difference between myself and bin Laden is that I asked for forgiveness for my sins, and he did not.

Sorry, end rant.
 
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I think you need to reread the new testiment, paying particular notice to the words in red, and while the old testiment law and requirements were good the new covenant is even better. and who's disciple are you if you are not following the words of Jesus and what He taught under the new and better way
 
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never really understood how people could imagine 19 guys with box cutters could bypass all of the worlds intelligence agency's....all of America's defense systems, Airforce, Navy, Army, even separate defense systems of the Pentigon, and White house which have their own defense systems. fly aircraft never flown by any of them with such accuracy and finesse that it would almost appear these aircraft were flown by computer generated flight path. then as all hell breaks out with these odds breaking terrorist attacks three steel reinforced buildings which never in the history of construction fall into their own basement at freefall speed. and all these coinsedences happened on one and the same day. Its amazing if you believe 19 guys with box cutters orgestrated and brought to fruition the most diabolical plan ever hatched against the most highly protected and costly defense systems the world has ever known.........I would imagine Allah was behind their success
 
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I have to ask if you're referring to capital punishment as in the legal institution of execution or the specific case of Bin Laden?

If the first, in my case I'm against it simply because only God knows a person's heart and full and complete truth. In a system created by man we are often wrong and I hate to think of the risk of being wrong when it comes to a person's very life.
 
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Do not judge so that you will not be judged. For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you.



“People tell me judge not lest ye be judged. I always tell them, twist not scripture lest ye be like Satan.” - Paul Washer
 
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Actually, since 1 John was written arond A.D. 90-95, there were plenty of Christians around, so it is referring to Christians.
 
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I somewhat agree with the exception of that we are all God's children. We are not. We are all God's creation but only those who are born again are God's children. One is either a child of God or a child of Satan. John 8:42-47
 
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As for capital punishment it is easy for me there is no question that we have put innocent people to death and there is no question that it will always remain a possibility. One innocent is enough for me to end capital punishment completely.



No one is innocent. We are all deserving of death and an eternity in Hell. Be thankful for God's grace, mercy and longsuffering.
 
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Taken from the New Covenant:


Romans 13:1–5

Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. 2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: 4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. 5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.
 
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I'm just gonna say this (without reading all the multitudes of pages)-

Hate the sin, but love the sinner.

Now, I ask you to consider the many people that have been freed from Death Row, after finding the state was negligent in their rights.
 
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I'm just gonna say this (without reading all the multitudes of pages)-

Hate the sin, but love the sinner.



Nowhere found in the bible. Made popular if not originally coined by Ghandi. Also, read Psalm 5:5
 
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So should we hate our enemies then?
God did not show mercy against the enemies of Israel in the OT. Was God wrong? Was God wrong when He said the following?

Malachi 1:1 - An oracle: The word of the LORD to Israel through Malachi.
Malachi 1:2 -
"I have loved you," says the LORD. "But you ask, 'How have you loved us?' "Was not Esau Jacob's brother?" the LORD says. "Yet I have loved Jacob,
Malachi 1:3 -
but Esau I have hated, and I have turned his mountains into a wasteland and left his inheritance to the desert jackals."
[NIV 1984]

Romans 9:13
- Just as it is written: "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated." [NIV 1984]
 
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Isn't that because God is perfect and omnipotent He has the right to hate people while humans are sinful and not omnipotent they shouldn't.

Matthew 5:43-48


However I've also heard that "loving your enemies" means in this context your personal enemies like people you argue with or a bully not a mortal enemy like say someone who tried to murder you.
 
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