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My question is more centered around their logic and justification in supporting abortion.
I want to keep this centered around biblical truths in order to explain to me why pro-choice Christians are not disregarding the Word of God.
Local laws say that I may become drunk so long as I'm at my home, does it mean that it's not wrong for me to become drunk at home?God's word explains that local laws are under God's direction.
If local laws do not say that abortion is murder, then it is not murder.
Local laws say that I may become drunk so long as I'm at my home, does it mean that it's not wrong for me to become drunk at home?
It sounds like you're saying that the local law actually determines what actions are moral or immoral, not Scripture... which anyone with half a brain would recognize as absurd.
Please respond to appropriate questions to a theological position you're asserting as true. I'm not arguing for anything, I'm presenting realistic questions to theology that you're representing to other Believers as true. It matters.Please refer to scripture for rebuttals. Engage both halves.
Please refer to scripture as requested in the opening post.Please respond to appropriate questions to a theological position you're asserting as true. I'm not arguing for anything, I'm presenting realistic questions to theology that you're representing to other Believers as true. It matters.
You're asserting that: God's word explains that local laws are under God's direction.
If local laws do not say that abortion is murder, then it is not murder.
This then begs the following question for clarification:Local laws say that I may become drunk so long as I'm at my home, does it mean that it's not wrong for me to become drunk at home?
It sounds like you're saying that the local law actually determines what actions are moral or immoral, not Scripture. Is this true?
Please respond to appropriate questions to a theological position you're asserting as true. I'm not arguing for anything, I'm presenting realistic questions to theology that you're representing to other Believers as true. It matters.
You're asserting that: God's word explains that local laws are under God's direction.
If local laws do not say that abortion is murder, then it is not murder.
This then begs the following question for clarification:Local laws say that I may become drunk so long as I'm at my home, does it mean that it's not wrong for me to become drunk at home?
It sounds like you're saying that the local law actually determines what actions are moral or immoral, not Scripture. Is this true?
I want to keep this centered around biblical truths in order to explain to me why pro-choice Christians are not disregarding the Word of God.
... how can a Christian hold true to the Word of God and support abortion at the same time?
What does that say about the rapist who impregnated the young girl who is now seeking an abortion?Romans 8:28
27 And He who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of God. 28 And we know that God works all things together for the good of those who love Him, who are called according to His purpose.
We learn here that God is responsible for the actions of everyone, and the actions of everyone are for the benefit of the Faithful.
The thing about Proverbs is that they are words of wisdom, that if followed, will generally bring the outcome that is mentioned. However, they don't necessarily guarantee that the outcome will happen or should happen. For example, if we were to apply your understanding to this passage to Daniel, he would have been wrong to violate the law of the king which prohibited worship to the king alone. Furthermore, shadrach, Meshach, and Abendigo would have been wrong not to bow to the golden image and deserved to be thrown into the fiery furnace. The way that I understand the passage, it doesn't say "if abortion is legal, the faithful should not try to stop them." Rather, it is saying not to provoke those in authority unless you are willing to endure the consequences. When a wicked king, or any other authority, establishes a law which violates God's Law, we should not obey them with the understanding that we may have to endure terrible consequences as a result of our faithfulness to God. This is what happened with Daniel. He knew what the King's law said, he did not obey the law in favor of obedience to God knowing that it could bring death. However, when did not argue or appeal when he was thrown in the lion's den. In conclusion, if this is a passage used to support abortion, it is used out of context and is a stretch at best.Proverbs 20:2
2 The terror of a king is like the roar of a lion; whoever provokes him forfeits his own life.
This passage says that if abortion is legal, the faithful should not try to stop them.
Death penalty for abortion? Abortion is killing an unborn baby so are we then obligated to kill mothers for the murder of their unborn child? "You shall not murder." (Exodus 20:13)Matthew 7:12
“So whatever you wish that others would do to you,
do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.
I don't understand how this relates to the topic of abortion. Please clarify.1 Corinthians 15:33
Do not be deceived: “Bad company ruins good morals.”
1. The passage in context is talking about the things we teach and say to others and has nothing to do with abortion.2 Timothy 2:15
Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who has no need to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth.
And whose temple is the body of the unborn child? Second, the passage is referring to sexual immorality. Many of the unwanted pregnancies that lead to abortion would be prevented if this passage was followed.1 Corinthians 6:19-20
Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own, for you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body.
1 Peter 2:11-12
Beloved, I urge you as sojourners and exiles to abstain from the passions of the flesh, which wage war against your soul. Keep your conduct among the Gentiles honorable, so that when they speak against you as evildoers, they may see your good deeds and glorify God on the day of visitation.
Death penalty for abortion? Abortion is killing an unborn baby so are we then obligated to kill mothers for the murder of their unborn child? "You shall not murder." (Exodus 20:13)
2. 1 Timothy 2:11-15 says:
"A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. But women will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.
What exactly are you suggesting? Are we not to follow Matthew 7:12 that you referenced by executing women who murder their unborn child? Or that we should ignore Exodus 20:13? This is the conundrum with Christians who support abortion. They have yet to demonstrate a biblical way to justify abortion without ignoring or contradicting other passages.Under grace we do not live by the written laws of God.
I did not provide any application. What application are you inferring to 1 Timothy 2:11-15?Yes but your application is malarkey. You can't treat others as you would wish for them to treat you, and then treat them with different rights. So your application is malarkey.
Just so I understand clearly. You are saying we ought to set the laws of men above the laws of God?But to give Paul credit...for a minute...local laws may have required certain things of women, and indeed, local law comes first. Following Biblical requirements that people be treated equally as oneself, comes second.
You can't hope for participation in society if you don't follow local laws first.
A kingdom divided will not stand.
Correct. Fornication cannot be biblically defended because it is clearly unbiblical. Thus, should abstain from it regardless of its legality.Fornication can't be biblically defended, either, but the laws of men still allow it.
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