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How are we to explain these "miracles?"

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bhsmte

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So, in other words, you are saying you had faith at one time, but not to the point where you defined it as:

"Believing something, even if science says otherwise."

Is that correct?

I have never been prone to refuting obvious realities, no.
 
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Like I said, the investigation into the bible pushed me over the edge, but was not the sole reason.
How much mass does "investigation into the Bible" have?
 
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Read post #224.

I did. Just claims with no support.


If God has interacted with our universe, then there will be evidence of it. Your claims here sound like just a way to handwave away the fact there's no actual evidence. And to do it you need to invoke some mysterious spiritual energy that has no supporting evidence whatsoever. In short, when you have to use one unsupported claim to support another claim, neither claim comes of as very convincing.

Show me something I can actually check and measure, and then you'll get my attention. Until then, all you have is a bunch of claims and no way for me to test them for myself. And I don't find your word to be particularly convincing.


You may believe that. But then again, I've seen people who are absolutely convinced they've seen someone push a lit cigarette through a solid metal coin that had no hole in it.

The fact that you are absolutely convinced of this means very little to me.
 
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How do you know that the accounts attributed to Matthew and John were actually written by them?
 
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Last night my daughter floated down the hallway instead of walking when I told her to go to bed. Like it or not, believe me or not, but this actually happened. No evidence in the physical needed. Maybe for you and about 20 to 30 other people who don't believe me on this forum. Supplying physical evidence is your problem. You cannot say it is a lie and did not happen in reality. It only shows your ignorance of the reality of Spiritual Realm Dynamics you know not of.
 
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My daughter did that too, I swear!
 
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The Bible is precisely what turned many Christians into atheists in the first place. I am one of those myself.

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Classic Tree of Knowledge sin. What happen, you never heard nor followed the Holy Spirit?

I guess like you are now, ignoring Him.

You never understood nor experienced the basis of the New Covenant.

While I was a lost geologist you were just a church goer ignorant of the New Covenant. And look who found Him!

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What makes you state that?


I state that simply because it is a fact, the only accounts we have of Him are from people who never witnessed Him.

Are you also with others, claiming that I lied about the miracles I've witnessed?

I wouldn't explicitly claim that you are lying, but I do dismiss ALL extraordinary claims that lack sufficient evidence.
 
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All the accounts about Jesus in the bible were written by authors born long after Jesus died.

Do you really believe Matt and John wrote Matt and John?

Really?

If so, then you my friend are in denial of the truth.
 
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