PsychoSarah
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Hold on while I try to grasp the concept of someone developing an atheist mindset only by reading the bible alone... Ugh, can't do it, doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.
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I think these guys don't know, and just want to blame it on the Bible.
Don't you?
It isn't a psychological need to be atheist it is a lack of a psychological need for worship.
What's my problem then? or my pastor's? or my neighbors? or our country's? or Israel's? or India's? or Egypt's? or Arabia's? or Saudi Arabia's? or ...?Good question.
For me specifically, after thoroughly examining the bible and then looking at the realities of the world we live in, I could not reconcile the story as believable. So you could say, I got to a psychological point, of needing to be honest with myself and I could not go on, thinking I believed in something and I was only fooling myself.
So, it was a need to acquire knowledge of a specific source and not reject reality.
Okie-doke.Very little, actually. Reading it might have reaffirmed that view, but I was atheist before I read it. Evolution isn't the reason either, just going to put that out there before it is brought up.
What's my problem then? or my pastor's? or my neighbors? or our country's? or Israel's? or India's? or Egypt's? or Arabia's? or Saudi Arabia's? or ...?
Okie-doke.
Thank you for being honest.
And let's not lose sight of SI's point.Hold on while I try to grasp the concept of someone developing an atheist mindset only by reading the bible alone... Ugh, can't do it, doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.
At one point, he and "they" were Christians.The Bible is precisely what turned many Christians into atheists in the first place.
And let's not lose sight of SI's point.
Here it is again:
At one point, he and "they" were Christians.
You know:
Hebrews 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Hebrews 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
You sound like you are not one of the "they" that SI was talking about.
And let's not lose sight of SI's point.
Here it is again:
At one point, he and "they" were Christians.
You know:
Hebrews 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Hebrews 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
You sound like you are not one of the "they" that SI was talking about.
What happened to the word "Bible" in all of this?Who said it was a problem, it is just different needs. It can be a problem, if believers judge others who disagree with them, they are forced to refute reality for their belief or they use their religion as a weapon.
Upbringing also has something to do with it, but not everything, as young people are very moldable when exposed to certain beliefs.
What happened to the word "Bible" in all of this?
I thought SI was very explicit in stating that it was a matter of cause-and-effect.
He put the blame right square where he thinks it belongs.
You guys are starting to wax vague for some reason?
What happened to the word "Bible" in all of this?
I thought SI was very explicit in stating that it was a matter of cause-and-effect.
He put the blame right square where he thinks it belongs.
You guys are starting to wax vague for some reason?
Would I be incorrect to assume that SI and others came to accept being considered a Christian without having read the Bible, or parts of It read to them?Everyone is different AV.
For me, the bible helped push me over the edge, but if one only reads the bible and has little knowledge of other sources of knowledge, then reading the bible alone will not have the same effect as someone who has other knowledge and then compares that to the bible.
Would I be incorrect to assume that SI and others came to accept being considered a Christian without having read the Bible, or parts of It read to them?
If, as the Bible says, faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God; then how is it that the same word of God that generated that faith in the first place ... destroyed it?
I have a feeling that some people are a little ... well ... premature in their acceptance of the faith.
In other words, they may have never been truly saved in the first place.
But it's not my call to judge that.
SI laid the blame squarely on something that has mass.Read my other posts for clarification.
Okay ... I understand.Technically, what difference would it make if it was extended to other religious texts? The reasons people are atheist or become atheist are different from person to person, so there will be a lot of nonspecific stuff to cover.
Of course they weren´t.In other words, they may have never been truly saved in the first place.
Would I be incorrect to assume that SI and others came to accept being considered a Christian without having read the Bible, or parts of It read to them?
If, as the Bible says, faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God; then how is it that the same word of God that generated that faith in the first place ... destroyed it?
I have a feeling that some people are a little ... well ... premature in their acceptance of the faith.
In other words, they may have never been truly saved in the first place.
But it's not my call to judge that.
Okay ... I understand.
I just find it ... well ... hard to accept that a person can once be a Christian, read the Bible, then refuse to call himself a Christian anymore.
I'm not saying it doesn't happen.
After all, I refuse to be called a Homo sapiens.
So, in other words, you are saying you had faith at one time, but not to the point where you defined it as:I can't speak for others, only me.
I had read the bible before, but I hadn't researched the book from a historical standpoint, I just believed it. When I researched the book, I acquired knowledge about the book, that I had not had before and the book became much less credible to me.
So when you rely on; the bible says this and the bible says that, it doesn't have the meaning to me, that it does for you, because I seriously question the credibility of the book, based on the knowledge I acquired and looking at reality.
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