How about asking them?

[buchanan701]

It would seem as though a lot of you are judging these poor creatures as if they do not have a voice. As if their opinions actually come in to question.

Well here it is - straight from the horse's mouth.

I'm gay.
I'm also a christian.

That means I love God, I am a creationist, I could qualify as a bible bashing, old fashioned, hillbilly (if I lived in America)
But here's the catch - I also love the same sex as me. *SHOCK*
I'm a muff-munching, dirty, filthy lesbo!

I have a girlfriend called Jessica, who lives with me, and we love each other - very much.

Do you have any questions? Queeries (see what I did thar?)? Or maybe you want to throw some 'evidence' at me?

Go ahead, I'm ready.

Ps-Please don't go 'eeeew, lesbienne sex is disKUSTINK!
What y'all do ain't so perty either...

 

[savedandhappy1]

Your gay and a christian that uses an atheist icon, well about all I can say is that the Lord says if you aren't ashamed of me I won't be of you.

Using an atheist icon would seem to be more than just ashamed, but that would be my opinion.

 

[buchanan701]

Your gay and a christian that uses an atheist icon, well about all I can say is that the Lord says if you aren't ashamed of me I won't be of you.

Using an atheist icon would seem to be more than just ashamed, but that would be my opinion.

Ha! I seemed to have clicked the wrong thing. Sorry your highness. The scrolly thing on my mouse might have changed it. I haved changed it however, and would love an end to this sarcastic drone.

Ps - Greetings from England

 

[Criada]

Hi
I am from England too.. and also gay.. tho not practicing.

I am a little surprised that you are living with a girlfriend at 15...
Not trying to be patronising, sis, just wondering how you can do that... being below the age of consent and all that.

 

[buchanan701]

Hi
I am from England too.. and also gay.. tho not practicing.

I am a little surprised that you are living with a girlfriend at 15...
Not trying to be patronising, sis, just wondering how you can do that... being below the age of consent and all that.

Maybe that came out a little wrong - she is living in my house because her parents have kicked her out. WE obviously don't own our own house

 

[Ubik]

I'm gay and Christian too. You guys can ask me questions as well.

 

[BreadAlone]

To the OP, since you claim to be Bilbe believing, how do you rationalize the parts of the Bible that condemn homosexuality?

 

[texastig]

It would seem as though a lot of you are judging these poor creatures as if they do not have a voice. As if their opinions actually come in to question.

Well here it is - straight from the horse's mouth.

I'm gay.
I'm also a christian.

That means I love God, I am a creationist, I could qualify as a bible bashing, old fashioned, hillbilly (if I lived in America)
But here's the catch - I also love the same sex as me. *SHOCK*
I'm a muff-munching, dirty, filthy lesbo!

I have a girlfriend called Jessica, who lives with me, and we love each other - very much.

Do you have any questions? Queeries (see what I did thar?)? Or maybe you want to throw some 'evidence' at me?

Go ahead, I'm ready.

Ps-Please don't go 'eeeew, lesbienne sex is disKUSTINK!
What y'all do ain't so perty either...

My friend said it the best:

God speaks of many that will not be in the Kingdom of God. “Homosexuals:” along with any who practice adultery or any type of sexual acts outside of the God ordained marriage of one man and one woman. These are some but not all of those who will not be in the Kingdom of God.


Gen. 19:4 Now before they lay down, the men of the city, the men of Sodom, both old and young, all the people from every quarter, surrounded the house. 5 And they called to Lot and said to him, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may know them carnally.”
6 So Lot went out to them through the doorway, shut the door behind him, 7 and said, “Please, my brethren, do not do so wickedly! 8 See now, I have two daughters who have not known a man; please, let me bring them out to you, and you may do to them as you wish; only do nothing to these men, since this is the reason they have come under the shadow of my roof.”
9 And they said, “Stand back!” Then they said, “This one came in to stay here, and he keeps acting as a judge; now we will deal worse with you than with them.” So they pressed hard against the man Lot, and came near to break down the door. 10 But the men reached out their hands and pulled Lot into the house with them, and shut the door. 11 And they struck the men who were at the doorway of the house with blindness, both small and great, so that they became weary trying to find the door.

Lev. 18:22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination. 23 Nor shall you mate with any animal, to defile yourself with it. Nor shall any woman stand before an animal to mate with it. It is perversion.... 30 ‘Therefore you shall keep My ordinance, so that you do not commit any of these abominable customs which were committed before you, and that you do not defile yourselves by them: I am the LORD your God.’”

Lev. 20:13 If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.

Deut. 22: 5 “A woman shall not wear anything that pertains to a man, nor shall a man put on a woman’s garment, for all who do so are an abomination to the LORD your God.

Deut. 23:17“ There shall be no ritual harlot of the daughters of Israel, or a perverted[c] one of the sons of Israel.

Isa. 3:9 The look on their countenance witnesses against them, And they declare their sin as Sodom; They do not hide it. Woe to their soul! For they have brought evil upon themselves.

Rom. 1:26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due

1Cor. 6:9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals,[a] nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God

1Tim. 1:9 But we know that the law is good if one uses it lawfully, 9 knowing this: that the law is not made for a righteous person, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and for sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 10 for fornicators, for sodomites, for kidnappers, for liars, for perjurers, and if there is any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine

Jude 7 Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. 15 But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.

So that means you can't be a Christian and practicing homosexual.
If your struggling with it and seeking help then God can deliver you if you "really" want it.

Thanks,
TT

 

[tulc]

Welcome to CF buchanan701!
tulc(glad you found our corner of the net!)

 

[savedandhappy1]

Ha! I seemed to have clicked the wrong thing. Sorry your highness. The scrolly thing on my mouse might have changed it. I haved changed it however, and would love an end to this sarcastic drone.

Ps - Greetings from England

Sorry, wasn't even being sarcastic, but you would know if I was, so I would appreciate ...............................

Nevermind, don't think anyother questions would be.................

 

[Polycarp1]

My friend said it the best:

God speaks of many that will not be in the Kingdom of God. “Homosexuals:” along with any who practice adultery or any type of sexual acts outside of the God ordained marriage of one man and one woman. These are some but not all of those who will not be in the Kingdom of God.


Gen. 19:4 Now before they lay down, the men of the city, the men of Sodom, both old and young, all the people from every quarter, surrounded the house. 5 And they called to Lot and said to him, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may know them carnally.”
6 So Lot went out to them through the doorway, shut the door behind him, 7 and said, “Please, my brethren, do not do so wickedly! 8 See now, I have two daughters who have not known a man; please, let me bring them out to you, and you may do to them as you wish; only do nothing to these men, since this is the reason they have come under the shadow of my roof.”
9 And they said, “Stand back!” Then they said, “This one came in to stay here, and he keeps acting as a judge; now we will deal worse with you than with them.” So they pressed hard against the man Lot, and came near to break down the door. 10 But the men reached out their hands and pulled Lot into the house with them, and shut the door. 11 And they struck the men who were at the doorway of the house with blindness, both small and great, so that they became weary trying to find the door.

Lev. 18:22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination. 23 Nor shall you mate with any animal, to defile yourself with it. Nor shall any woman stand before an animal to mate with it. It is perversion.... 30 ‘Therefore you shall keep My ordinance, so that you do not commit any of these abominable customs which were committed before you, and that you do not defile yourselves by them: I am the LORD your God.’”

Lev. 20:13 If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.

Deut. 22: 5 “A woman shall not wear anything that pertains to a man, nor shall a man put on a woman’s garment, for all who do so are an abomination to the LORD your God.

Deut. 23:17“ There shall be no ritual harlot of the daughters of Israel, or a perverted[c] one of the sons of Israel.

Isa. 3:9 The look on their countenance witnesses against them, And they declare their sin as Sodom; They do not hide it. Woe to their soul! For they have brought evil upon themselves.

Rom. 1:26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due

1Cor. 6:9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals,[a] nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God

1Tim. 1:9 But we know that the law is good if one uses it lawfully, 9 knowing this: that the law is not made for a righteous person, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and for sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 10 for fornicators, for sodomites, for kidnappers, for liars, for perjurers, and if there is any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine

Jude 7 Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. 15 But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.

So that means you can't be a Christian and practicing homosexual.
If your struggling with it and seeking help then God can deliver you if you "really" want it.

Thanks,
TT

Ah, it's time to throw "clobber quote" prooftexts at gays again, eh?

Well....

Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things. 2 But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things. 3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God? (Romans 2:1-3)

Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. 3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? 4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? 5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye. (Matthew 7:1-5)

 

[BreadAlone]

Ah, it's time to throw "clobber quote" prooftexts at gays again, eh?

Well....

Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things. 2 But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things. 3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God? (Romans 2:1-3)

Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. 3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? 4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? 5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye. (Matthew 7:1-5)

This is talking about hypocritical judgement.

It is not, however, talking about the administration of the law, nor is it talking about the righteous judgement of the church.

"But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat. What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. "Expel the wicked man from among you."

 

[texastig]

Ah, it's time to throw "clobber quote" prooftexts at gays again, eh?

Well....

Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things. 2 But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things. 3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God? (Romans 2:1-3)

Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. 3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? 4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? 5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye. (Matthew 7:1-5)

I don't do the same things. So your verses do not qualify.
Thanks,
TT

 

[texastig]

This is talking about hypocritical judgement.

It is not, however, talking about the administration of the law, nor is it talking about the righteous judgement of the church.

"But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat. What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. "Expel the wicked man from among you."

 

[Polycarp1]

I personally prefer a church with the presence of Jesus and those whom He calls to Himself, as opposed to one made up of those who believes the Law applies to others but not to them. YMMV.

"Not all of those who say, Lord, Lord, but those who do the will of My Father."

 

[BreadAlone]

I personally prefer a church with the presence of Jesus and those whom He calls to Himself, as opposed to one made up of those who believes the Law applies to others but not to them. YMMV.

"Not all of those who say, Lord, Lord, but those who do the will of My Father."

Tell me about it..those types are so frustrating, no?

And definately not all who say "Lord, Lord" will be with God..that gets back to that whole "expell the immoral brother" thing..

 

[BigBadWlf]

To the OP, since you claim to be Bilbe believing, how do you rationalize the parts of the Bible that condemn homosexuality?

How do you rationalize the parts of the bible that condemn racial equality?
How do you rationalize the parts of the bible that indicate rape is morally acceptable?
How do you rationalize the parts of the bible that speak to polygamy?
How do you rationalize the parts of the bible that speak of animal and human sacrifice?
How do you rationalize the parts of the bible that condemn prejudice?

 

[BigBadWlf]

This is talking about hypocritical judgement.

It is not, however, talking about the administration of the law, nor is it talking about the righteous judgement of the church.

"But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat. What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. "Expel the wicked man from among you."

Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you. Matt 5 :11-12

 

[HaloHope]

So that means you can't be a Christian and practicing homosexual.
If your struggling with it and seeking help then God can deliver you if you "really" want it.

Thanks,
TT

Nonsense. (to both points)

 

[texastig]

Nonsense. (to both points)

There is no nonsense. Homosexuals must repent of their sin just like everyone else who sins.
Like I said, if you struggle with it, repent and confess your sins God will help you not to do those things.
The more you fall in love with Jesus and surrender to Him your sins go away.
Thanks,
TT