Very sorry. I see that you were just stating it to show that someone held a certain view at a certain time. Post # 18 just has the quote without any of your input.
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Very sorry. I see that you were just stating it to show that someone held a certain view at a certain time. Post # 18 just has the quote without any of your input.That's nice but completely irrelevant to the conversation you inserted yourself into. A claim was made about how long a certain view was held. I offered evidence refuting that claim. You asked why I offered that evidence. I explained that it refuted a claim that had been made. Now it turns out you don't care about the claim or the evidence, making your contribution pointless.
Your opinion -- and the extremely high value you place on it -- are noted.
Which does nothing to support your wholly incorrect claim that the scientific world is leaving evolution behind. Does it matter to you whether what you say is true?
I see no trace in there of evidence that the theory of evolution (which has of course changed considerably since Darwin's time) is losing support in the scientific community. Most of the quoted criticisms of the theory, such as they are, date from the middle of the last century.
brother you going in circles. That was my question to you...Is there anywhere that actually says what to expect from the Messiah?
I think you made my point. Those who came later had misunderstandings of what the Messiah would do. There’s nothing that says the original audience misunderstood.
You do know This thread is not about you, right??? It's for those WHO HAVE TO Reconcile a literal 7 days with everything evolution teaches... It's to and for that 80% of the children we loose to science and the world.I understand the ballet dance of what you are saying.
I'm really sorry.. but I don't need a shoe horn and smoke and mirrors to work out my solid belief that Christ could, with ease, create the entire universe as it is stated, in six literal days...
AND... that's what He said that He did.
Then, I move on to the other miraculous examples of God's work in this world... Right up to the miracles that He is doing today. Non of which are any less true.
Except the scriptures say that Adam only lived to be 930 years old.
It also says he died the very same day he touched the fruit.
but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.” (Genesis 2:17, NKJV)
This means what ever Adam was in the garden with God, died that very day unless you think God lied to them. Which would mean the clock on Adam's 930 years started on the day of his exile. Not from the day of his creation as the Adam that's made from mud and placed in the garden who walked with God, was not the same exact man who walked out of the garden in exile. Something he was with God died the day He was exiled or again the alternative is god lied or was 'mistaken.'
I go over all of this and a whole lot more in the 11 min video I linked in the OP. it answers ever popular question asked about creation and Adam and Eve.. like who did their children marry/was their incest (no) where did the people come from that populated the city cain built? (a city even then was 2000++ people) why did God have to mark cain's face if it was just him and his brothers and sisters? how can their be light without the sun etc etc..
The OT has many references to Messiah. So we know what earlier Jews thought because…well..they wrote it. We can see from scripture that the latter Jews (first century in particular) thought wrongly about Jesus. And we can be sure of their errors because we have the OT canon to examine. We don’t need to speculate.brother you going in circles. That was my question to you...
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Can you provide book chapter and verse to support your assertion? Can you demonstrate that the first or earlier jews knew that Jesus would come to bring salvation to the lost in the way he did, and then at what point did this transition to the messiah being the man from God who would free them from roman oppression?
If not then how can you make this claim as the Bible is silent on what the first jews understood about the messiah.
Well there is this:I see no trace in there of evidence that the theory of evolution (which has of course changed considerably since Darwin's time) is losing support in the scientific community. Most of the quoted criticisms of the theory, such as they are, date from the middle of the last century.
I've been doing genetics for close to twenty-five years now, including quite a bit of work on evolution. In that time I've interacted with many evolutionary biologists and even more whose work touches on evolution in some way, and I've heard hundreds of talks involving evolution and read hundreds of papers on the subject. In all that, I have seen precisely zero instances of any researcher casting (or expressing) doubt on the core story of evolution, including the importance of natural selection in adaptive evolution, and I've seen zero evidence that suggests there's any substantial problem with evolution's account of the history of life.
That's a good one... accuse me of selfishly holding to the view that this or any thread is about me...You do know This thread is not about you, right??? It's for those WHO HAVE TO Reconcile a literal 7 days with everything evolution teaches... It's to and for that 80% of the children we loose to science and the world.
If you can make a literal 7 days work 6000 years ago even though the Bible never provides that time like then great... But this coming generations can not make the same connections you can and I am suggesting that because this theory does not alter the text in any way it is viable for those in the church looking to reconcile the theory of evolution with a literal 7 day creation, without changing a word of either.
again read the passage. I understand the interpretation you are using as it tries to explain why Adam did not die the day he touched the fruit, but rather 930 years later. "He started dying the day he ate the fruit." But again that's not what the passage says. It said God told them that they would SURLEY DIE the DAY they even touched the fruit.Not according to the way it’s worded when it mentions his death.
“So all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years, and he died.”
Genesis 5:5 NASB1995
This says “all the days Adam lived were 930 years”. Perhaps he began dying when he ate the forbidden fruit. Or perhaps the word “day” was referring to an era. Like we might say in the day of Adam or in the day of Moses.
So you have book chapter and verse that shows this discrepancy in interpretation then right? if not know your argument is invalid.The OT has many references to Messiah. So we know what earlier Jews thought because…well..they wrote it. We can see from scripture that the latter Jews (first century in particular) thought wrongly about Jesus. And we can be sure of their errors because we have the OT canon to examine. We don’t need to speculate.
This is a fallacial reasoning. Argumentum ad populum Argumentum ad populum - WikipediaWhat you’ve done in the OP is completely foreign, and most likely would be dismissed entirely by the writers of scripture, and a good portion of those who came later. Why? Because it’s not found anywhere in scripture.
That's a good one... accuse me of selfishly holding to the view that this or any thread is about me...
Nice try. Swing... and a miss.
However...
If you can convince someone that Jesus walked out to a boat on the sea, fed 5000 men ( the number was probably higher as they don't count women and children) with 5 loaves of bread and two fish... and ended up with 12 baskets of left overs, made a couple of very large vessels of very good wine in a nanosecond, healed numerous people with life long diseases and ailments,numerous numerous other miracles that defy science then died on the cross and rose on the third day, walked through wall, showed His pierced side and hands, then floated up to heaven...
There are so very many supernatural and unscientific events that Christ did on this earth when He walked among us... These are held as truth because............ our salvation depends on them.
If you have people with the faith to hold these to be true.... Then the six literal days... is not a challenge.
If they don't have the faith to believe one... It confuses how they can believe the others.
citation?/link to the full article?Well there is this:
There are roughly three camps in America: (1) those who still cling to orthodox Darwinism on the grounds that no one has come up with a better explanation for the origin of species; (2) those (like Gould and Eldredge) who have concocted baroque refinements of the original theory, such as “punctuated equilibria,” in order to shelter it from empirical falsification; and (3) those, including a well-known group of “cladists,” who reject the theory altogether.
Let’s run with that. We know that they were wrong because we have the scriptures to look at that demonstrate that they were wrong. What scriptures do you have to show that believers for millennia were wrong about a literal six day creation?I just demonstrated that the group of men you were referencing Got the prophesy about Christ completely wrong because they unlike us do not have the benefit of hind site nor any type of scientific understanding nor reasoning behind them.
The Lord has simply have provided an alternative interpretation that answers ALL of the inconsistencies paradoxes and even the objections brought on by science without changing a word of what is written in genesis.
Your interpretation only works if you ignore genesis 2:17. if you follow what genesis 2:17 says then you can not count Adam's time in the garden as he died the day he broke his covenant with God.
seriously?Let’s run with that. We know that they were wrong because we have the scriptures to look at that demonstrate that they were wrong. What scriptures do you have to show that believers for millennia were wrong about a literal six day creation?
I read the OP. And I understand hermeneutics. The original audience of both Genesis and Exodus would have seen it as a literal and recent six day creation. That’s how it was understood for thousands of years. Letting pagans into the discussion has led to nothing but confusion.
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