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Someone sent me a PM saying that some people here are saying Total Release was an alter moniker for me. All I know to say is that it isn't true, and I have no idea how that started or from where it came.
Unless it came from some people who tried to pin some other junk on me a couple of years ago, claiming I had several usernames and I was following them around harrassing them and all sorts of other junk. None of which was true, and I was exhonerated in the end. However, it caused me a great deal of pain, as people I thought were my friends turned on me and spread all sorts of lies and rumors. Maybe it's not them this time. Lord, I pray not. I would like to think they finally got past all that.
Either way, I never posted under the name of Total Release. As far as I know he lived in Lubbock, TX and had a wife and a son. He once gave me a phone number he said was his and I called it, but I don't remember if I actually spoke to him or just left a message. I think I just left a message but never heard back from him. Regardless, I ain't he, and he ain't me, and if it is true that he was killed, then it's a pretty sad state of affairs that someone would go around spreading this type nonsense. Heck, it's a pretty sad state of affairs, either way.
I'm so sick of this type junk. I just went through some crap IRL where someone told someone who was very dear to me some outright lies, claiming I made statements about them that I never made, and it cost me a relationship with someone I absolutely adored.
I don't know why I'm under attack, but apparently I am, but I know the truth and I know God knows the truth and if He's allowed Satan to play with me, I know there's a good reason for it and I pray I learn whatever I'm supposed to learn from it quickly and I pray I handle everything properly so as to give Him the glory I should give Him through it.
Unless it came from some people who tried to pin some other junk on me a couple of years ago, claiming I had several usernames and I was following them around harrassing them and all sorts of other junk. None of which was true, and I was exhonerated in the end. However, it caused me a great deal of pain, as people I thought were my friends turned on me and spread all sorts of lies and rumors. Maybe it's not them this time. Lord, I pray not. I would like to think they finally got past all that.
Either way, I never posted under the name of Total Release. As far as I know he lived in Lubbock, TX and had a wife and a son. He once gave me a phone number he said was his and I called it, but I don't remember if I actually spoke to him or just left a message. I think I just left a message but never heard back from him. Regardless, I ain't he, and he ain't me, and if it is true that he was killed, then it's a pretty sad state of affairs that someone would go around spreading this type nonsense. Heck, it's a pretty sad state of affairs, either way.
I'm so sick of this type junk. I just went through some crap IRL where someone told someone who was very dear to me some outright lies, claiming I made statements about them that I never made, and it cost me a relationship with someone I absolutely adored.
I don't know why I'm under attack, but apparently I am, but I know the truth and I know God knows the truth and if He's allowed Satan to play with me, I know there's a good reason for it and I pray I learn whatever I'm supposed to learn from it quickly and I pray I handle everything properly so as to give Him the glory I should give Him through it.
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Here something that will make you laugh, I am sure of it.
Dammed Beavers! (TRUE STORY)
*** WARNING MAY CAUSE LAUGHTER ***
Claim: The state of Michigan threatened local beavers with a $10,000 per day fine for failing to remove their dam.
STATE OF MICHIGAN
Reply to: GRAND RAPIDS DISTRICT OFFICE STATE OFFICE BUILDING 6TH FLOOR 350 OTTAWA NW GRAND RAPIDS MI 49503-2341
JOHN ENGLER, Governor
DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY
HOLLISTER BUILDING, PO BOX 30473, LANSING MI
48909-7973
INTERNET: http://www.deq.state.mi
RUSSELL J. HARDING, Director
December 17, 1997
CERTIFIED
Mr. Ryan DeVries 2088 Dagget Pierson, MI 49339
Dear Mr. DeVries:
SUBJECT: DEQ File No. 97-59-0023-1 T11N, R10W, Sec. 20, Montcalm County
It has come to the attention of the Department of Environmental Quality that there has been recent unauthorized activity on the above referenced parcel of property. You have been certified as the legal landowner and/or contractor who did the following unauthorized activity:
Construction and maintenance of two wood debris dams across the outlet stream of Spring Pond. A permit must be issued prior to the start of this type of activity. A review of the Department's files show that no permits have been issued.
Therefore, the Department has determined that this activity is in violation of Part 301, Inland Lakes and Streams, of the Natural Resource and Environmental Protection Act, Act 451 of the Public Acts of 1994, being sections 324.30101 to 324.30113 of the Michigan Compiled Laws annotated. The Department has been informed that one or both of the dams partially failed during a recent rain event, causing debris dams and flooding at downstream locations. We find that dams of this nature are inherently hazardous and cannot be permitted. The Department therefore orders you to cease and desist all unauthorized activities at this location, and to restore the stream to a free-flow condition by removing all wood and brush forming the dams from the strewn channel. All restoration work shall be completed no later than January 31, 1998. Please notify this office when the restoration has been completed so that a follow-up site inspection may be scheduled by our staff. Failure to comply with this request, or any further unauthorized activity on the site, may result in this case being referred for elevated enforcement action. We anticipate and would appreciate your full cooperation in this matter.
Please feel free to contact me at this office if you have any questions.
Sincerely,
David L. Price
District Representative Land and Water Management Division
REPLY:
Dear Mr. Price:
Re: DEQ File No. 97-59-0023; T11N, R10W, Sec 20; Montcalm County
Your certified letter dated 12/17/97 has been handed to me to respond to. You sent out a great deal of carbon copies to a lot of people, but you neglected to include their addresses. You will, therefore, have to send them a copy of my response.
First of all, Mr. Ryan DeVries is not the legal landowner and/or contractor at 2088 Dagget, Pierson, Michigan - I am the legal owner and a couple of beavers are in the (State unauthorized) process of constructing and maintaining two wood "debris" dams across the outlet stream of my Spring Pond. While I did not pay for, nor authorize, their dam project, I think they would be highly offended you call their skillful use of natural building materials "debris." I would like to challenge you to attempt to emulate their dam project any dam time and/or any dam place you choose. I believe I can safely state there is no dam way you could ever match their dam skills, their dam resourcefulness, their dam ingenuity, their dam persistence, their dam determination and/or their dam work ethic. As to your dam request the beavers first must fill out a dam permit prior to the start of this type of dam activity, my first dam question to you is: are you trying to discriminate against my Spring Pond Beavers or do you require all dam beavers throughout this State to conform to said dam request? If you are not discriminating against these particular beavers, please send me completed copies of all those other applicable beaver dam permits. Perhaps we will see if there really is a dam violation of Part 301, Inland Lakes and Streams, of the Natural Resource and Environmental Protection Act, Act 451 of the Public Acts of 1994, being sections 324.30101 to 324.30113 of the Michigan Compiled Laws annotated. My first concern is - aren't the dam beavers entitled to dam legal representation? The Spring Pond Beavers are financially destitute and are unable to pay for said dam representation - so the State will have to provide them with a dam lawyer. The Department's dam concern that either one or both of the dams failed during a recent rain event causing dam flooding is proof we should leave the dam Spring Pond Beavers alone rather than harassing them and calling them dam names. If you want the dam stream "restored" to a dam free-flow condition contact the dam beavers - but if you are going to arrest them (they obviously did not pay any dam attention to your dam letter-being unable to read English) - be sure you read them their dam Miranda rights first. As for me, I am not going to cause more dam flooding or dam debris jams by interfering with these dam builders. If you want to hurt these dam beavers - be aware I am sending a copy of your dam letter and this response to PETA. If your dam Department seriously finds all dams of this nature inherently hazardous and truly will not permit their existence in this dam State - I seriously hope you are not selectively enforcing this dam policy, or once again both I and the Spring Pond Beavers will scream prejudice!
In my humble opinion, the Spring Pond Beavers have a right to build their dam unauthorized dams as long as the sky is blue, the grass is green, and water flows downstream. They have more dam right than I to live and enjoy Spring Pond. So, as far as I and the beavers are concerned, this dam case can be referred for more dam elevated enforcement action now. Why wait until 1/31/98? The Spring Pond Beavers may be under the dam ice then, and there will be no dam way for you or your dam staff to contact/harass them then. In conclusion, I would like to bring to your attention a real environmental quality (health) problem: bears are actually defecating in our woods. I definitely believe you should be persecuting the defecating bears and leave the dam beavers alone. If you are going to investigate the beaver dam, watch your step! (The bears are not careful where they dump!) Being unable to comply with your dam request, and being unable to contact you on your dam answering machine, I am sending this response to your dam office.
Sincerely,
Stephen L.Tvedten
Origins: In July 1997, one of Stephen Tvedten's neighbors noticed flooding on his property and traced it back to a dam on Tvedten's stream. He complained to the Department of Environmental Quality on July 28.
Five months later, the agency responded with a letter to the offending land owner. The letter, from David Price, a local DEQ official, was blunt. The "construction and maintenance of two wood debris dams across the outlet stream of Spring Pond" was "unauthorized." The letter ordered Stephen Tvedten, the land owner, to "cease and desist" under penalty of "elevated enforcement action."
Tvedten responded to the DEQ's letter, some wrangling ensued, and ultimately the agency dropped the issue. But not before making itself look foolish as it attempted at various times to change its story. The beavers are likely still ignorant of how close they came to being fined $10,000 a day for dam living expenses.
The situation was real. Were the letters quoted above?
We have no way of telling if the DEQ missive from David Price is bona fide, although it does read as if it is. The "dam" response from Tvedten, however, has been verified by Dave Mastio of USA Today. He states that its author wrote it at the time all this was going down and thus it wasn't an after-the-fact concoction, a case of something the people involved wanted to say but didn't at the time.
Tvedten found an inventive way of quickly pointing out both how ludicrous and humorous the situation was. In a way dusty legal language never could, such a letter serves to drive home the silliness of DEQ's intractable posturing.
Barbara "in Michigan, transforming from guardian of the law to guardian of it just took a touch of beaver fever" Mikkelson
Dammed Beavers! (TRUE STORY)
*** WARNING MAY CAUSE LAUGHTER ***
Claim: The state of Michigan threatened local beavers with a $10,000 per day fine for failing to remove their dam.
STATE OF MICHIGAN
Reply to: GRAND RAPIDS DISTRICT OFFICE STATE OFFICE BUILDING 6TH FLOOR 350 OTTAWA NW GRAND RAPIDS MI 49503-2341
JOHN ENGLER, Governor
DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY
HOLLISTER BUILDING, PO BOX 30473, LANSING MI
48909-7973
INTERNET: http://www.deq.state.mi
RUSSELL J. HARDING, Director
December 17, 1997
CERTIFIED
Mr. Ryan DeVries 2088 Dagget Pierson, MI 49339
Dear Mr. DeVries:
SUBJECT: DEQ File No. 97-59-0023-1 T11N, R10W, Sec. 20, Montcalm County
It has come to the attention of the Department of Environmental Quality that there has been recent unauthorized activity on the above referenced parcel of property. You have been certified as the legal landowner and/or contractor who did the following unauthorized activity:
Construction and maintenance of two wood debris dams across the outlet stream of Spring Pond. A permit must be issued prior to the start of this type of activity. A review of the Department's files show that no permits have been issued.
Therefore, the Department has determined that this activity is in violation of Part 301, Inland Lakes and Streams, of the Natural Resource and Environmental Protection Act, Act 451 of the Public Acts of 1994, being sections 324.30101 to 324.30113 of the Michigan Compiled Laws annotated. The Department has been informed that one or both of the dams partially failed during a recent rain event, causing debris dams and flooding at downstream locations. We find that dams of this nature are inherently hazardous and cannot be permitted. The Department therefore orders you to cease and desist all unauthorized activities at this location, and to restore the stream to a free-flow condition by removing all wood and brush forming the dams from the strewn channel. All restoration work shall be completed no later than January 31, 1998. Please notify this office when the restoration has been completed so that a follow-up site inspection may be scheduled by our staff. Failure to comply with this request, or any further unauthorized activity on the site, may result in this case being referred for elevated enforcement action. We anticipate and would appreciate your full cooperation in this matter.
Please feel free to contact me at this office if you have any questions.
Sincerely,
David L. Price
District Representative Land and Water Management Division
REPLY:
Dear Mr. Price:
Re: DEQ File No. 97-59-0023; T11N, R10W, Sec 20; Montcalm County
Your certified letter dated 12/17/97 has been handed to me to respond to. You sent out a great deal of carbon copies to a lot of people, but you neglected to include their addresses. You will, therefore, have to send them a copy of my response.
First of all, Mr. Ryan DeVries is not the legal landowner and/or contractor at 2088 Dagget, Pierson, Michigan - I am the legal owner and a couple of beavers are in the (State unauthorized) process of constructing and maintaining two wood "debris" dams across the outlet stream of my Spring Pond. While I did not pay for, nor authorize, their dam project, I think they would be highly offended you call their skillful use of natural building materials "debris." I would like to challenge you to attempt to emulate their dam project any dam time and/or any dam place you choose. I believe I can safely state there is no dam way you could ever match their dam skills, their dam resourcefulness, their dam ingenuity, their dam persistence, their dam determination and/or their dam work ethic. As to your dam request the beavers first must fill out a dam permit prior to the start of this type of dam activity, my first dam question to you is: are you trying to discriminate against my Spring Pond Beavers or do you require all dam beavers throughout this State to conform to said dam request? If you are not discriminating against these particular beavers, please send me completed copies of all those other applicable beaver dam permits. Perhaps we will see if there really is a dam violation of Part 301, Inland Lakes and Streams, of the Natural Resource and Environmental Protection Act, Act 451 of the Public Acts of 1994, being sections 324.30101 to 324.30113 of the Michigan Compiled Laws annotated. My first concern is - aren't the dam beavers entitled to dam legal representation? The Spring Pond Beavers are financially destitute and are unable to pay for said dam representation - so the State will have to provide them with a dam lawyer. The Department's dam concern that either one or both of the dams failed during a recent rain event causing dam flooding is proof we should leave the dam Spring Pond Beavers alone rather than harassing them and calling them dam names. If you want the dam stream "restored" to a dam free-flow condition contact the dam beavers - but if you are going to arrest them (they obviously did not pay any dam attention to your dam letter-being unable to read English) - be sure you read them their dam Miranda rights first. As for me, I am not going to cause more dam flooding or dam debris jams by interfering with these dam builders. If you want to hurt these dam beavers - be aware I am sending a copy of your dam letter and this response to PETA. If your dam Department seriously finds all dams of this nature inherently hazardous and truly will not permit their existence in this dam State - I seriously hope you are not selectively enforcing this dam policy, or once again both I and the Spring Pond Beavers will scream prejudice!
In my humble opinion, the Spring Pond Beavers have a right to build their dam unauthorized dams as long as the sky is blue, the grass is green, and water flows downstream. They have more dam right than I to live and enjoy Spring Pond. So, as far as I and the beavers are concerned, this dam case can be referred for more dam elevated enforcement action now. Why wait until 1/31/98? The Spring Pond Beavers may be under the dam ice then, and there will be no dam way for you or your dam staff to contact/harass them then. In conclusion, I would like to bring to your attention a real environmental quality (health) problem: bears are actually defecating in our woods. I definitely believe you should be persecuting the defecating bears and leave the dam beavers alone. If you are going to investigate the beaver dam, watch your step! (The bears are not careful where they dump!) Being unable to comply with your dam request, and being unable to contact you on your dam answering machine, I am sending this response to your dam office.
Sincerely,
Stephen L.Tvedten
Origins: In July 1997, one of Stephen Tvedten's neighbors noticed flooding on his property and traced it back to a dam on Tvedten's stream. He complained to the Department of Environmental Quality on July 28.
Five months later, the agency responded with a letter to the offending land owner. The letter, from David Price, a local DEQ official, was blunt. The "construction and maintenance of two wood debris dams across the outlet stream of Spring Pond" was "unauthorized." The letter ordered Stephen Tvedten, the land owner, to "cease and desist" under penalty of "elevated enforcement action."
Tvedten responded to the DEQ's letter, some wrangling ensued, and ultimately the agency dropped the issue. But not before making itself look foolish as it attempted at various times to change its story. The beavers are likely still ignorant of how close they came to being fined $10,000 a day for dam living expenses.
The situation was real. Were the letters quoted above?
We have no way of telling if the DEQ missive from David Price is bona fide, although it does read as if it is. The "dam" response from Tvedten, however, has been verified by Dave Mastio of USA Today. He states that its author wrote it at the time all this was going down and thus it wasn't an after-the-fact concoction, a case of something the people involved wanted to say but didn't at the time.
Tvedten found an inventive way of quickly pointing out both how ludicrous and humorous the situation was. In a way dusty legal language never could, such a letter serves to drive home the silliness of DEQ's intractable posturing.
Barbara "in Michigan, transforming from guardian of the law to guardian of it just took a touch of beaver fever" Mikkelson
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hello. DId you read that beaver joke. It really happened. lolHey, ysl & Starr.
I couldn't stop laughing, specially the bear part. lol
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