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Religious groups have so many rights because that was the intent of the founders. That's the meaning of "separation of church and state" as found in Jefferson's letter to the Danbury Baptists.

"I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between Church & State."

The wall Jefferson referred to was to protect religious freedoms from the government.

To impose morality by legislation or court decision at the national level is not only unconstitutional but also immoral. By doing so, it would diminish the degree of moral responsibility of the people, making us all less able to decently self-govern on moral issues. If we receive all the answers to our moral dilemmas by seeking intervention from Washington, we will become incompetent in decently regulating our own lives. This will lead to both a loss of morals and freedom.
 
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Yes; ultimately, I feel that it is wrong though forgivable. And taken to the extreem, it becomes yet another reason why the divorce rate in modern society is so rampant.
Where is your source for this belief?
 
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My Bible tells me what real marriage is. It should inform all believers of such. What is that "someone else" basing his values of marriage on? His own feelings? That is not good enough. Personal values, feelings, and opinions are a very shaky foundation ---- they change as does fashion.
 
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And if that's what you believe then you should inform them, but you shouldn't force them to live by your standards because in the end it all comes down to free will which God has granted to all of us.
 
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It is called a miracle, and yes, possible.
How is it possible -- in the sense that "anything" is possible with an omnipotent God? If it is possible for a woman to conceive and bear a child without eggs and a womb, it should also be possible for my cat to conceive and bear a litter of bunny rabbits, right? Or for my coffee maker to sprout legs, walk to my bedside and hand me a steaming cup of joe (which would be AWESOME). Or for a lesbian couple to conceive and bear a child together.

We aren't living in history. We're living now. Do you think the United States should enact and enforce laws making it illegal to have sex before marriage?

It tells me that older people are less fertile, and/or that couples who marry later in life are less interested in having children.

There is no place for continued breakdown of the normal and healthy model of men and women being held accountable for their relationships with each other, and with their kids.
I think that it is also normal and healthy for two women to be held accountable for their relationships with each other and with their kids.

Why does gay marriage break down parental authority? Gay parents are legally just as accountable for their children as straight parents are.

The source of this movement is socialist, and it is driven by hate. Those pushing this agenda hate the Christian religion and find in the gay marriage debate an opportunity to permanently stigmatize it.
I disagree.

You're being "threatened" by who? CF mods?

I don't care if people want to be Christians. But I don't think the U.S. should be a Christian theocratic state, do you?

This is a random Internet forum, not a court of law or city hall. I've had lots of posts edited, deleted or reprimanded over the years on CF. I don't always agree with mod decisions either but it sounds like you may be taking this forum a bit too seriously.
 
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Religion is more of a choice then homosexuality is, so why are religious groups allowed so many rights?

The false nature of this statement is becoming more evident daily.

"Potential for homosexual response is prevalent and genetic"
Potential for homosexual response is prevalent and...[Biol Psychol. 2008] - PubMed Result

And religious groups are "allowed" so many rights because of the Constitution of the United States of America. Interestingly, there is not a single mention of protected sexual perversions in the Constitution. I say interestingly because it seems sexual perversions of every type seem to be finding judicial activist support all over the place over the past four or five decades. Witness the expanding "rights" concerning inappropriate content, even up to and including kiddy inappropriate content if it is animated, while the right to political free speech is now openly and unapologetically encroached upon in laws concerning non profits, political funding, and on and on.
 
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Do you think the Constitution of the United States of America is right to protect peoples' ability to choose different religions?

Why should the Constitution protect a person's ability to practice, preach, and attempt to convert people to religions which lead people to hell by unapologetically denying that Jesus Christ is our Lord and savior?
 
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...amazing.

Absolutely amazing.

A study which indicates that homosexuality has a genetic component, and is therefore not a choice, being presented as evidence that homosexuality is a choice.

Full abstract:
 
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Interesting point.

Luke 19:39-40

39 And some of the Pharisees from among the multitude said unto him, Master, rebuke thy disciples.

40 And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out.
KJV
Interestingly, there is no record in the Bible of any prophet, nor of Jesus, making any claim that an un-Godly action would be so rewarded.


We aren't living in history. We're living now. Do you think the United States should enact and enforce laws making it illegal to have sex before marriage?

In the past simple social pressure was enough. I think it is likely such pressures would re-assert themselves if our government did not interfere regularly and help inculcate a spirit of sexual immorality in our nation.

I think that it is also normal and healthy for two women to be held accountable for their relationships with each other and with their kids.

This is essentially a lie. We all know it is not normal. We also know they are not having their kids in the sense that normal families do. This repeated statement, oft addressed, demonstrates the willingness of gay activists and their supporters to simply lie to get their way.

Why does gay marriage break down parental authority? Gay parents are legally just as accountable for their children as straight parents are.

Gay parents are not the source of the kids, thus the opposite sex parent in every case needs to be specifically addressed.

I don't care if people want to be Christians. But I don't think the U.S. should be a Christian theocratic state, do you?

The citizens should be allowed to have the government reflect their values, whether they are Christian values or not. That is not theocratic. That is democracy and self government.


It is not a "random" internet forum. It has twice now in its history taken on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ to further its own organizational ambitions, whatever those might be, and it is utterly inappropriate to do so while openly harassing decent people and encouraging vile behavior and teachings.
 
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...amazing.

Absolutely amazing.

A study which indicates that homosexuality has a genetic component, and is therefore not a choice, being presented as evidence that homosexuality is a choice.

Full abstract:

I suggest you read it again. It states that some people with the genetic predisposition do not practice homosexual behavior, and some who do not have the genetic predisposition do, essentially putting the last nail in the coffin of the idea that it is genetically determined.
 
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Christ was not Jesus' last name though. Christos is Greek for the Hebrew word moshiach which we translate into English as messiah. So "Christian Forums" isn't taking the NAME of Jesus, but the TITLE you apply to Jesus.

First off this is not the thread for such discussion ....And secondly Christ is Jesus. According to the Hebrews the Messiah... So what is your point? How this is related to the topic?
 
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If that's how you interpret the study, then you don't know what "genetic predisposition" and "genetically determined" mean.
 
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First off this is not the thread for such discussion ....And secondly Christ is Jesus. According to the Hebrews the Messiah... So what is your point? How this is related to the topic?

Read the post directly above mine. Is there any reason you have singled out my post to attack when the whole thread is wildly off topic?

Messiah is a title that referred to more than Jesus. I'm sorry if that bothers you, but it's true. Messiah as a title only referred to an anointed person.
 
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And who says who are those "consenting adults"? In a few years a minority might decide to change those standards... Just because the minors who are homosexuals might feel "discriminated" for they are minority and decide that they deserve to be included with the rest of the adult population and treated as adults... Since the "majority" cannot "dictate" no more on law making....the sky is the limit..Get my drift here
 
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What this has to do with Homosexuality out of curiocity ....
 
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If that's how you interpret the study, then you don't know what "genetic predisposition" and "genetically determined" mean.

I have the whole study sitting right here in front of me. I know exactly what they are talking about, but the text itself as posted is self explanatory. They found the potential in men and women wide spread, and yet the behavior itself limited. Of those who exhibit the behavior, not all of them were positive for the genetic potential, meaning there is a non-genetic potential as well.

Abstract
We investigated the potential to engage in homosexual behavior in 6001 female and 3152 male twins and their siblings finding that 32.8% of the
men and 65.4% of the women reported such potential ( p < 0.001). 91.5% of these men and 98.3% of these women reported no overt homosexual
behavior during the preceding 12 months. The potential to engage in homosexual behavior was influenced by genetic effects for both men (37.4%)
and women (46.4%) and these overlapped only partly with those for overt homosexual behavior.
# 2007 Elsevier B.V. All rights reserved.
Keywords: Sexual orientation; Homosexuality; Behavior genetics; Genes; Twins
 
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i personal dont approve of it because if you follow the bible which most of us dont i would be a hyprocrite!!!we take things from the bible at our own liking that what makes us sinners!!!!!

so end of the day who is judge like in the bible ''cast the first stone who judges''.
 
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No, I don't get your drift at all because it doesn't make any sense.
 
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