Homosexuals and Bisexuals

[b&wpac4]

and I will agree with you. Tax codes most of the time make me go

 

[Shane Roach]

The child will almost certainly see heterosexual relationships modelled, just not in the home in which he/she grows up.

David.

This comes from studies where kids would necessarily have been exposed to said things in the first place, so that is taken into account.

People know kids need their families. This is why marriage is important to maintain and encourage, not to redefine.

 

[Philothei]

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Which b&wpac4 showed to not be what you were representing it to be
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You held it up as a poor victim of the “gay agenda”





It does as the reason the church broke the law and tired to deny public accommodations because the people wanting to rent the parcel of land were members of a minority and that is the sole cited reason the church tried to discriminate

The truth doesn’t quit


As noted by b&wpac4 the rental in question was a parcel of land unconnected to the church

Which brings me back to my earlier question. If this church were discriminating against a black couple and refusing to rent to them because they are black would you be defending the church?




Did what on purpose?




You should look up what a strawman is, apparently you don’t know


So you are saying discrimination is OK for some minorities

Again the US constitution says you are wrong and all are equal whether you like them or not

I do not have to like them and I do not have to accept their lifestyle or be obligated to teach it to my kids or the state...and you are wrong...That is why you do not answer my question though.

You insist on compairing apples and oranges.
While interacical couples are minority and they are discriminated they are accepted by God and their marriage is blessed. Homosexual couples are not accepted by God. Period Apples and oranges again.

 

[Shane Roach]

The very fact that you refuse to answer is itself an answer

Please prove that this “indoctrination” is real

You were the one who was asked a question and refused to answer BBW.

Sauce for the goose.

 

[Philothei]

The very fact that you refuse to answer is itself an answer

Please prove that this “indoctrination” is real

Gay and Lesbian awareness week
and so forth... What difference it makes you know the "evidence".

 

[BigBadWlf]

Yes, according to the APA, multiple psychiatric studies, papers, and the basic usage of the English language.

“Sexual orientation is an enduring emotional, romantic, sexual, or affectional attraction toward others. It is easily distinguished from other components of sexuality including biological sex, gender identity (the psychological sense of being male or female), and the social gender role (adherence to cultural norms for feminine and masculine behavior).
Sexual orientation exists along a continuum that ranges from exclusive heterosexuality to exclusive homosexuality and includes various forms of bisexuality. Bisexual persons can experience sexual, emotional, and affectional attraction to both their own sex and the opposite sex. Persons with a homosexual orientation are sometimes referred to as gay (both men and women) or as lesbian (women only).
Sexual orientation is different from sexual behavior because it refers to feelings and self-concept.. “ –Sexual orientation and homosexuality.
http://www.apahelpcenter.org/articles/article.php?id=31

 

[David Brider]

In the sense of being dishonest.

Allowing gay people to get married is about ending the very concept of a marriage, thus ending the existence of that unique type of relationship.

Allowing same-gender couples to get married extends the concept of marriage, but it doesn't end it. Nor does it "end the existence of that unique type of relationship" - since gay people are very much a minority of the population, normally estimated at about 5% or so, opposite-gender marriages will still be in the majority, so are not going to end just because same-gender couples are allowed to marry.

David.

 

[Shane Roach]

lol

Neither here nor there, but someone lowered the rating on the thread from 5 to 3.

Apparently we are all of us not up to snuff today.

 

[David Brider]

This comes from studies where kids would necessarily have been exposed to said things in the first place, so that is taken into account.

So in other words, when you said "there is no way for the child to see a heterosexual relationship modeled", you were actually wrong.

Okay.

David.

 

[BigBadWlf]

Gay and Lesbian awareness week
and so forth... What difference it makes you know the "evidence".

So you are saying you cannot provide evidence for your claims of “indoctrination”

 

[David Brider]

Gay and Lesbian awareness week
and so forth... What difference it makes you know the "evidence".

How exactly does gay & lesbian awareness week indoctrinate your child into "the homosexual lifestyle"? Either your child is homosexual, or isn't. Gay and lesbian awareness week isn't going to change that.

David.

 

[Shane Roach]

Allowing same-gender couples to get married extends the concept of marriage, but it doesn't end it. Nor does it "end the existence of that unique type of relationship" - since gay people are very much a minority of the population, normally estimated at about 5% or so, opposite-gender marriages will still be in the majority, so are not going to end just because same-gender couples are allowed to marry.

David.

But cannot be treated uniquely any more when necessary, and we need marriage and family law reform.

So the distinct characteristics of marriage that need to be addressed such as why a man whose wife cheats on him should get half of the stuff when she brought in 5% of it, or why a woman should not get alimony for the rest of her life when she dedicated 20 years of her life to raising a man's kids who dumped her for a younger model once they got old.

There is so much that is in actuality unfair in life. Why create more? What is the point of all of this? It helps no one. Even the gays themselves are going to run into troubles with marriage law as messed up as it is now, but that is not the point. It is all about getting a title and running religion into the dirt.

That is the great joy that is universal to this movement. Look at BBW celebrating a church being forced to accept something sinful going on in its own property by the state. That exultation against simple rights to freedom with ones own property -- that's what the anti-Christians live for. That's all this is about.

And who will suffer? Everyone. Even gays. It's not even logical. It's not even sensible.

Just because gays are self destructive in the issue though, does not mean the rest of us have to take it as a forgone conclusion. Our government abuses us on almost every front now, but maybe, just maybe there's some seed of courage and commitment to freedom left in this population. It sure seems weak though, and on a lot of fronts besides just gay marriage. It seems we have become a nation of rollovers.

 

[David Brider]

Homosexuality is a behavior.

No it isn't. We've already been over this umpteen times. The only answer you've been able to come up with when asked what behaviour homosexuality consists of, is "Having sex with someone of the same gender." Which given that not all homosexuals are sexually active, is pretty nonsensical - homosexuality is a behaviour that not all homosexuals engage in?

David.

 

[Philothei]

How exactly does gay & lesbian awareness week indoctrinate your child into "the homosexual lifestyle"? Either your child is homosexual, or isn't. Gay and lesbian awareness week isn't going to change that.

David.

By telling her it is a "glorified" lifestyle like any other is and etc. I have a right to what my kid learns at school or not?
Anything against my faith has to go.. I make the decision not the school system. That is why many Christian families home school their children so that they give them the kind of education they want that agrees with their faith. But why pay taxes to the state when they fail in providing your children with free education? All these programs are agenda driven and waste of tax money. Why we then do not have other minority awareness weeks like for people with special needs or Hispanic or itneracial awarness week?... it makes you wonder...

 

[Shane Roach]

No it isn't. We've already been over this umpteen times. The only answer you've been able to come up with when asked what behaviour homosexuality consists of, is "Having sex with someone of the same gender." Which given that not all homosexuals are sexually active, is pretty nonsensical - homosexuality is a behaviour that not all homosexuals engage in?

David.

What a laugh.

By my standard, a person stops being a homosexual the minute they stop having sex, is that your argument?

ROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLRFOFLRFOLF

Whatever.

We don't stop calling a thief a thief when he's spending his ill gotten gains. Word games word games word games word games word games word games.

 

[David Brider]

By telling her it is a "glorified" lifestyle like any other is and etc.

What exactly do you mean by "glorified"? For that matter, what exactly do you mean by "the homosexual lifestyle" in the first place?

I have a right to what my kid learns at school or not?

Not quite sure what the situation is in the US, but in the UK all schools have to follow a curriculum set down by the government, and I'm not aware of any way that parents can affect that directly through the school - presumably any complaints would have to be made directly to the government, or at least to their local MP.

OTOH, I'm kind of guessing that something like gay & lesbian awareness week would be an extra-curricular activity, so there would be no compulsion on any pupil to take part.

David.

 

[David Brider]

What a laugh.

By my standard, a person stops being a homosexual the minute they stop having sex, is that your argument?

Your standard is wrong then. A homosexual is someone who tends to be romantically and physically attracted to people of the same gender as themselves. They might be sexually active, they might not be sexually active, they might never have been sexually active, but their sexual activity has no impact on their sexual orientation.

Do you stop being a heterosexual when you stop having sex? Am I not a bisexual because I'll only ever have sex with one person?

David.

 

[Philothei]

I wil pm you some links about it okie so we do not derail this thread.

 

[Philothei]

Your standard is wrong then. A homosexual is someone who tends to be romantically and physically attracted to people of the same gender as themselves. They might be sexually active, they might not be sexually active, they might never have been sexually active, but that their sexual activity has no impact on their sexual orientation.

Do you stop being a heterosexual when you stop having sex? Am I not a bisexual because I'll only ever have sex with one person?

David.

Actually I would agree with you on the basis of sexual orientation such a person has "homosexual tendencies" that is to perform homosexual acts. While the other who already does that is already defined as such. In general a person who "acts out homosexual behaviour" is defenately a homosexual if that is all that he identifies sexually a biosexual the same and so forth....

That is why identifying with being a homosexual IMHO is not enough to be called a homosexual as much as you are a murderer if you contemplaint a murder... or we are all already thieves if we contemplaint to steal something? I agree to that and also that agrees with the Gospel as those who were "sleeping with men" (arsenokoitai) were condemned not those who had "thoughts" of doing a homosexual act. Also that is again in agreement that there was no "homosexual" personality or identity in the ancient times but only people performing homosexual acts like Sodoma and Gomora.... and so forth.

 

[LndShrk88]

By telling her it is a "glorified" lifestyle like any other is and etc. I have a right to what my kid learns at school or not?
Anything against my faith has to go.. I make the decision not the school system. That is why many Christian families home school their children so that they give them the kind of education they want that agrees with their faith. But why pay taxes to the state when they fail in providing your children with free education? All these programs are agenda driven and waste of tax money. Why we then do not have other minority awareness weeks like for people with special needs or Hispanic or itneracial awarness week?... it makes you wonder...

Actually, I would have to disagree on the whole idea that you get to decide what your child learns. I don't know about you but if I had my right to an equal education removed I'd be pretty upset.

I think its funny that you just talked about "gay indoctrination" and then you talk about home schooling kids so that they learn what you want them to learn and only learn the things that fall in line with your faith. Personally I think that anyone that does this is doing a great disservice to their children but put I'm sure plenty of people think its none of my business.