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The Septuagint says bdelygmademonstrably untrue
Ross Taylor? So a software engineer http://www.apocalipsis.org/bio.htm knows more about Hebrew translation than biblical scholars?"Scripture itself disproves that the word toevah only applies to ceremonial or ritual impurity. The nations that the Hebrews were about to inhabit, were judged and driven out of the due to the abominations (toevah) they had committed, Lev 18:24-30, Deu 18:9, 20:18, 2 King 16:3, 21:2. They did not have the ceremonial or ritual law that the Hebrews had. Also stealing, murder, adultery, swearing falsely, idolatry and hypocrisy are also described as toevah (Jer 7:9-10). This is discussed in The Same Sex Controversy61. "
- Common pro-gay theological arguments
The Septuagint says bdelygma
Jeremiah 7:9-10 uses zimah not toebah
When "to'ebah" refers to the breaking of a ritual law it might be better translated "ritually improper," or "involves foreign religious cult practice."
Ross Taylor? So a software engineer http://www.apocalipsis.org/bio.htm knows more about Hebrew translation than biblical scholars?
To talk out of scientific evidence one must provide scientific evidence. Goldberg does not even attempt to do this. What is presented are opinions in support of an agenda on an agenda driven sightYou are wrong read my post again... First the man is talking out of scientific evidence irrelevant to any agenda
Proof? No proof of anything is offeredas he makes and PROVES it right from the beginning...
Which is a false claim.Dr. Goldberg mentions in his article homosexuality has higher levels of pathology that by itself should signal that it is a disorder.
to bad that the APA doesn’t agree with you on the origin and pathology of sexual orientationRather than claiming that it is society's fault and cry foul I think the issue is related to the origin of homosexuality rahter than societie's inability to accept this disorder as normal or then all those people who are chronically depressed should not be treated but rather "accept" their pathology and allow them to their "right to depression" even suicide.
to bad that the APA doesn’t agree with you on the origin and pathology of sexual orientation
The research on homosexuality is very clear. Homosexuality is neither mental illness nor moral depravity. It is simply the way a minority of our population expresses human love and sexuality. Study after study documents the mental health of gay men and lesbians. Studies of judgment, stability, reliability, and social and vocational adaptiveness all show that gay men and lesbians function every bit as well as heterosexuals.American Psychological AssociationStatement on Homosexuality 2004The APA is not a scientist, nor does it conduct research.
Actual evidence?The APA is a professional organization that purports to represent Psychiatrists. It has been and continues to be subject to political manipulation on this subject.
Your dislike of the facts dont make them dismissibleNo one is beholden to believe something simply because the APA printed it on their web site. To continually cite them without recourse to the actual research you're referencing is simply to engage in an argument based on authority and not on evidence.
When confronted with a study that debunked claims you make about homosexuality, you have continued to claim that no such study exists despite the fact that I have demonstrated that it does, and that information you claim is not there is precisely where the citation you called a "lie" said it would be.
“The research on homosexuality is very clear. Homosexuality is neither mental illness nor moral depravity. It is simply the way a minority of our population expresses human love and sexuality. Study after study documents the mental health of gay men and lesbians. Studies of judgment, stability, reliability, and social and vocational adaptiveness all show that gay men and lesbians function every bit as well as heterosexuals.”American Psychological AssociationStatement on Homosexuality 2004
I showed you a study regarding stability which, as I stated, you simply refused to acknowledge exists. The APA, as a professional organization, is in no position to state what is or is not moral. So that part of the statement is a demonstrable overstepping of the bounds of the organization. It shows a lack of professional ethics to make claims outside the purview of your profession.
Doctors usually do give medical adviceDo doctors give medical advice? Do lawyers perform surgery?
you are demanding studies be made public but then pretend to know the content of these supposedly hidden studiesThe APA needs to make public the research they claim substantiates these other claims that are actually in their purview instead of merely making the claim. Here again, when their studies are made available for public review, it seems they prove the exact opposite of what the APA says they prove.
hard copy right here.One such example -- the very study you keep telling me does not contain the informaion I clipped from the journal in which it was published.
Really that is odd considering that the majority of all known cases of HIV/AIDS are among women.We know AIDS continues to be disproportionately represented in the US in the gay male community.
We do?We know the bath houses continue to proliferate in large metropolises where gays begin to form large communities.
this same tactic is and has been used by racists for generations. A racist will compare a person of color to a criminal, substance abuser or as a sexual deviant in order to try to justify their own petty personal prejudices.We know for some time gays were only too happy to be associated with NAMBLA.
NAMBLA still claims the relationship with gay rights.
Anyone can make up quotes as long as they dont reference them"[SIZE=+1]WELCOME![/SIZE] The North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) was formed in 1978. It was inspired by the success of a campaign based in Boston's gay community to defend against a local witchhunt."
Next thing you know those darn socialists will start saying that black men should eb able to marry good Christian white women. Oh the HORROR wont somebody PLEASE think of the children?!?!?!?!We know many socialists will argue that any and all sexual behaviors should be deregulated.
And this is on topic because ?We know states that refuse to pass laws, such as Jessica's Law, to help protect children from sexual predators.
Just like how infertile heterosexuals should be discriminated againstWhat we don't know is why we need homosexuals to participate in a legally regulated institution that they simply cannot participate in physically.
Yeah like telling the Greeks what their language means
He has proven nothing (well proving anything in science is actually methodically impossible), except that he is NOT a psychologist, he's a sociologist (conveniently not listed previously). That's interesting too, because I can't even find his educational background. Plainly speaking, he's not even a geneticist or a biologist of any sort; so his views on patriarchal biology and genetics are questionable since he is not a professional of either field. He can write pretty research papers, I'm sure, but I would rather prefer the source documentation of professionals in the field who are capable of proper criticism than rely on third party commentary. So...You are wrong read my post again... First the man is talking out of scientific evidence irrelevant to any agenda as he makes and PROVES it right from the beginning
Again, he is not a psychologist and the American Psychological Association doesn't classify homosexuality as a disorder. The only 'association' that does that anymore is NARTH, and if they are unbiased, then I am the Duke of Earl.I would hardly call homosexuality a "moral" problem rather a psychosomatic problem since it does involve a complex personality disorder that involves physiology as well as environment. Like Dr. Goldberg mentions in his article homosexuality has higher levels of pathology that by itself should signal that it is a disorder.
So we get to the root of the issue you have with homosexuality after bringing up the Bible and confusing science with morality. HOMOSEXUALITY IS NOT A DISORDER. Is this the entire basis of your criticism? I spent that time in the other post responding because you can't tell the difference between intersexuality and homosexuality!?Rather than claiming that it is society's fault and cry foul I think the issue is related to the origin of homosexuality rahter than societie's inability to accept this disorder as normal or then all those people who are chronically depressed should not be treated but rather "accept" their pathology and allow them to their "right to depression" even suicide.
That proves what?
If you would have bothered to actually read before posting you might have learned that youre the assertion that somehow gays and lesbians homosexuality has higher levels of pathology that by itself should signal that it is a disorder. Is false.Straight people have mental problems too
the problem presented to the APA meeting in 1973 regarding the DSM was the claim that homosexuality is a mental illness was one of evidence. There never was any evidence to support the claim that homosexuality is a mental illness. No one was able to present evidence that homosexuality was a mental illness. And nearly 40 years alter, no one has ever been able to provide any evidence that homosexuality was a mental illness.... the que qua tactic of many debaters nothing new... Excuses upon excuses. Mental illness is based on symptoms and homosexuality as a disorder (it was so for the past thousands of years) was pathological...it was disfunctional
Please stop putting words into my mouth. It is dishonestso calling it "garbage" all this evidence is hardly a legit dispute...
And your evidence for slandering the reputation of published legitimate researchers is .?The ones you refer too are different....they are "slanted" and "biased" since their premise is already there they just manipulate their data to fit into it...
The Southern Poverty Law Center, the watchdog institute for hate groups lists only 12 anti-gay hate groups operating in North America. NARTH is one of them.Again, he is not a psychologist and the American Psychological Association doesn't classify homosexuality as a disorder. The only 'association' that does that anymore is NARTH, and if they are unbiased, then I am the Duke of Earl.
KCKID said:You do realize, do you not, that the Bible was written by men and not by God?
You do realize, do you not, that the men that wrote the Bible were carried along by the Holy Spirit and wrote exactly what God wanted them to with none of their own thoughts or any human commentary? (2 Peter 1:20-21)
The Southern Poverty Law Center, the watchdog institute for hate groups lists only 12 anti-gay hate groups operating in North America. NARTH is one of them.
hard copy right here.
As I said given the history of the organization that publishes Dailey and his misrepresentations it would not surprise me to learn that said organization has not doctored up some files
Dolcini “Demographic Characterizes of Heterosexuals with Multiple Partners: The National AIDS Behavioral Surveys” Family Planning Perspectives. 1993. Vol. 25 (5): 203-214 found gay men had significantly fewer sexual partners compared to heterosexual men:
Gay men:
0 partners-10.5%,
1 partner-77.9%,
2 or more-11.2%
heterosexual men:
0 partners-17.9%,
1 partner 53.1.9%
2 or more 29.1%
The acronym NAMBLA stands for the National Man Boy Love Association. Seems to be gay centered.Out of extreme curiosity, exactly why is NAMBLA even brought up? Is it to bring some comparison between gays and child molestation?
Kinsey? That study was so flawed I can't believe you even brought it up.So please provide actual evidence that individuals have changed from homosexual (Kinsey scale 6) to heterosexual (Kinsey scale 0)
Unless my mother knew your wife, it's not likely, is it?I hope you're not calling my wife a cow...
It's no marriage at all.Why, if we both decide to play with other people with mutual consent and trust?
Prudence would say not to put yourself in danger.That's what protection and/or prudence are for.
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