Homosexuality

[Sammy-San]

I don't. I note that its origins are Norse or Germanic, which might seem harsher to the ear than some other languages. The association of linguistic harshness with masculinity is entirely artificial, though.

I meant that when people refer to a young person as a kid they probably mean a young man. Is it because of syllables?

The syllable longness of gender is wierd. Why is egg bearer longer than sperm bearer?

 

[Sammy-San]

Are you arguing that sex differences exist because of natural "limits"? I'd say it's the other way around. Limits (natural and cultural) have developed because of sex differences.



No, not at all.



Probably.



Well, that would depend both on the self, and on the aims of that self.



Did you read the article I linked to, on sexual selection?



In men, anyway.



I am saying Scripture tells me nothing about the gender of angels.

Men being more visual has to do with we recognize gender for the purpose of reproduction.

 

[Paidiske]

What do u mean it would depend on the self?

I meant that saying "it's okay to be gay" may not be self-defeating, depending on who is saying it.

By gender you mean they dont have reproductive cells?

Angels? I'm saying Scripture doesn't tell us anything about the sex or gender of angels.

Genders do have a different nuance in terms of appearence.

Well, yes. Most human cultures have a gender binary which means that men and women present themselves differently.

True to a degree, but women wear nail polish and dresses more than men.

Yes, and that's an artificial thing, too. (See my above point about a cultural gender binary).

I meant that when people refer to a young person as a kid they probably mean a young man. Is it because of syllables?

I don't know about where you live, Sam, but where I live "kid" is a generic term for a child of either sex.

The syllable longness of gender is wierd. Why is egg bearer longer than sperm bearer?

I'm sorry, you've completely lost me here.

I'm not convinced that men really are "more visual," by the way.

 

[Sammy-San]

I meant that saying "it's okay to be gay" may not be self-defeating, depending on who is saying it.



Angels? I'm saying Scripture doesn't tell us anything about the sex or gender of angels.



Well, yes. Most human cultures have a gender binary which means that men and women present themselves differently.



Yes, and that's an artificial thing, too. (See my above point about a cultural gender binary).



I don't know about where you live, Sam, but where I live "kid" is a generic term for a child of either sex.



I'm sorry, you've completely lost me here.

I'm not convinced that men really are "more visual," by the way.

Why is there a gender binary? Do you believe in non binary type stuff?

Kid is a generic term for young people but if someone says kid they think its a young man. For example one time I said a kid at church was acting wierd and someone else talked about how that person was acting and the other person said so it was a woman?

I think men are more visual because men arent told to dress modestly as much. The reason women wear shirts at the beach is because men are more visual.

 

[Strathos]

Yeah, cute, but more a reflection of some people trying too hard to make animals feel like more than what they are, which is important to emotional and mental health, but they don't need to wear clothes, I've always found that fairly silly myself

Sometimes dogs and cats with short hair benefit from clothes in cold climates.

 

[Paidiske]

Why is there a gender binary?

It's difficult to say. It seems to come about due to specialisation of social roles, and the creation of hierarchies of power and influence, as humans moved from being a hunter-gatherer to a more agrarian society.

Do you believe in non binary type stuff?

It's hard for me to know what you mean by "non binary type stuff," but if you mean, "do you believe that gender should be treated as largely irrelevant to social roles?" my answer would be yes.

Kid is a generic term for young people but if someone says kid they think its a young man. For example one time I said a kid at church was acting wierd and someone else talked about how that person was acting and the other person said so it was a woman?

I think what you're picking up there is probably more our society's tendency to default to understanding generic terms as masculine, rather than the word "kid" being particularly gendered.

I think men are more visual because men arent told to dress modestly as much. The reason women wear shirts at the beach is because men are more visual.

No no no. I completely disagree. Women aren't told to dress modestly more than men, because men are more visual; it's because men are more socially dominant. I don't agree with every point this article makes, but I think the basic thrust of the argument is sound (and well worth considering).

 

[Sammy-San]

It's difficult to say. It seems to come about due to specialisation of social roles, and the creation of hierarchies of power and influence, as humans moved from being a hunter-gatherer to a more agrarian society.



It's hard for me to know what you mean by "non binary type stuff," but if you mean, "do you believe that gender should be treated as largely irrelevant to social roles?" my answer would be yes.



I think what you're picking up there is probably more our society's tendency to default to understanding generic terms as masculine, rather than the word "kid" being particularly gendered.



No no no. I completely disagree. Women aren't told to dress modestly more than men, because men are more visual; it's because men are more socially dominant. I don't agree with every point this article makes, but I think the basic thrust of the argument is sound (and well worth considering).

Why arent women as homophobic as men? Do you think its because men are socially dominant.

 

[Paidiske]

Why arent women as homophobic as men? Do you think its because men are socially dominant.

I don't know for sure, but I think your suggestion probably has merit.

 

[Sammy-San]

I don't know for sure, but I think your suggestion probably has merit.

I think its also because men are visual.

 

[Sammy-San]

I don't know for sure, but I think your suggestion probably has merit.

By my last post which sounded wierd i meant men view women as objects.

 

[Paidiske]

By my last post which sounded wierd i meant men view women as objects.

Well, there are two separate issues there. One is being "visual" in the sense of being particularly responsive to visual stimuli (which is what I was questioning). The other is "viewing" someone as an object, which has nothing to do with your response to stimuli, but more to do with mental habits and attitudes.

I'm not sure either of those relate neatly to levels of homophobia.

 

[muichimotsu]

Sometimes dogs and cats with short hair benefit from clothes in cold climates.

But I think there can be issues of constriction, it has to be properly designed, otherwise you just get the awkward, yet funny, videos of cats just flopping over because it just doesn't work for them

 

[Sammy-San]

Well, there are two separate issues there. One is being "visual" in the sense of being particularly responsive to visual stimuli (which is what I was questioning). The other is "viewing" someone as an object, which has nothing to do with your response to stimuli, but more to do with mental habits and attitudes.

I'm not sure either of those relate neatly to levels of homophobia.

Pornography influences men to view women as sex objects.

 

[Paidiske]

Pornography influences men to view women as sex objects.

Sure, but what does that have to do with this thread? Unless you're suggesting that those who use pornography ought to be disqualified from church leadership?

 

[Sammy-San]

Sure, but what does that have to do with this thread? Unless you're suggesting that those who use pornography ought to be disqualified from church leadership?

It has to do with what you said about women being viewed as sex objects by men. Fight the new drug mentioned it

 

[Sammy-San]

Well, there are two separate issues there. One is being "visual" in the sense of being particularly responsive to visual stimuli (which is what I was questioning). The other is "viewing" someone as an object, which has nothing to do with your response to stimuli, but more to do with mental habits and attitudes.

I'm not sure either of those relate neatly to levels of homophobia.

Women use language like girlfriend for platonic friends

 

[Sammy-San]

Well, there are two separate issues there. One is being "visual" in the sense of being particularly responsive to visual stimuli (which is what I was questioning). The other is "viewing" someone as an object, which has nothing to do with your response to stimuli, but more to do with mental habits and attitudes.

I'm not sure either of those relate neatly to levels of homophobia.

Women use homophobic slang less than men from what I've noticed in people's language.

 

[Paidiske]

It has to do with what you said about women being viewed as sex objects by men. Fight the new drug mentioned it

Yes, but the point I was trying to make was that the idea that "men are more visual" is not necessarily either true or helpful in how we construct gender roles (eg. modesty rules).

Women use language like girlfriend for platonic friends

Again, I'm failing to see the relevance to this thread...

 

[Sammy-San]

Yes, but the point I was trying to make was that the idea that "men are more visual" is not necessarily either true or helpful in how we construct gender roles (eg. modesty rules).



Again, I'm failing to see the relevance to this thread...

girlfriend has connotations of a lover

 

[Paidiske]

girlfriend has connotations of a lover

Context is everything.