Homosexuality

[Jase]

Jase,
Yes they murder babies in the womb and call it abortion.

While I don't advocate all cases of abortion, legally a fetus is not a human being, and therefore cannot be murdered. And what about the millions of fetuses killed without abortions?

But you see Christ saves from eternal death, if you dont believe homosexuality is wrong why do you expect others to agree with you that for example stealing is wrong?

Stealing harms people, and is prohibited under the 10 commandments. Nothing in Hebrew or Greek denotes that homosexuality is sinful except in the cases where it would be sinful for a heterosexual as well (rape, prostitution, idolatry etc.)

 

[Jase]

Let's see ... do you understand what "under penalty of death" or "deserving death" means?

What did that 5 month old baby do to deserve being under the penalty of death?

 

[Phinehas2]

Jase,

While I don't advocate all cases of abortion, legally a fetus is not a human being, and therefore cannot be murdered. And what about the millions of fetuses killed without abortions?

Legally a homosexual can be put to death in some countries, so the human legal argument only works depending on which humans one is talking to. According to God’s word and purposes God knows us before we are in the womb and knits us together in the womb. I believe God’s word.

Stealing harms people,

No I asked why you expect people to accept what you think, not what your argument is. Why do you expect people to accept stealing harms

Nothing in Hebrew or Greek denotes that homosexuality is sinful except in the cases where it would be sinful for a heterosexual as well (rape, prostitution, idolatry etc.)

Ok, nothing in Hebrew or Greek denotes that stealing is wrong to the person who says so. …discuss.

 

[KCKID]

Let's see ... do you understand what "under penalty of death" or "deserving death" means?

You do realize, addo, that I DID respond to your question asked of me concerning 'planting different crops side by side', don't you? I also asked a question of you in the same post. Perhaps you missed it because it probably got lost among the sheer volume of posts. I just tried to find the post but the forum 'search facility' doesn't appear to be working at the moment.

 

[Jase]

Jase,
Legally a homosexual can be put to death in some countries, so the human legal argument only works depending on which humans one is talking to. According to God’s word and purposes God knows us before we are in the womb and knits us together in the womb. I believe God’s word.

Then why does God allow (or presumably kill off) millions of unborn fetuses by means beyond our control?

No I asked why you expect people to accept what you think, not what your argument is. Why do you expect people to accept stealing harms

Common sense. Logic. Reason.

 

[oi_antz]

Then why does God allow (or presumably kill off) millions of unborn fetuses by means beyond our control?

The universe is very delicate, I think the matters of heaven outweigh those of earth. God tells us that He loved us before the womb.

Why do you expect people to accept stealing harms?
Common sense. Logic. Reason.

These words attempt to describe the tactics of our conscience. From the new commandment Jesus gave "love each other as I have loved you".

 

[Zeena]

John 10:10
The thief cometh not, but that he may steal, and kill, and destroy: I came that they may have life, and may have it abundantly

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[onemorequestion]

Stealing harms people, and is prohibited under the 10 commandments. Nothing in Hebrew or Greek denotes that homosexuality is sinful except in the cases where it would be sinful for a heterosexual as well (rape, prostitution, idolatry etc.)

Show us some PRO homosexuality scrptures?

Otherwise admit your position has no basis in reality.

 

[onemorequestion]

Then why does God allow (or presumably kill off) millions of unborn fetuses by means beyond our control?

That is standard atheist dribble. It demands that God be a Puppet Master.

Common sense. Logic. Reason.

I advise you use them.

 

[Jase]

Show us some PRO homosexuality scrptures?

Otherwise admit your position has no basis in reality.

Show me some pro-computer using scriptures, otherwise you are sinning by participating on CF.

 

[Jase]

That is standard atheist dribble. It demands that God be a Puppet Master.


I advise you use them.

I'm not an atheist. And I use them everyday. That's why my arguments are sound.

 

[onemorequestion]

Originally Posted by Lively Stone

The Holy Spirit HAS NOT CLEARLY told Seventh-day Adventists that mainstream Christianity's blatant non-observance of the 7th-day Sabbath (Friday sundown/Saturday sundown) will figure very predominantly and negatively toward them (mainstream Christianity) in last day events involving 'the Mark of the Beast'.
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Prove it.

Pot meet kettle.

By the way guys, where is keeping the Sabbath holy mean going to a building and doing some rote acts of worship?

And while you're going through the Ten Commandments Jase, notice they do not give ANY support for homosexuality, or, homosexuals to be a married couple.

Can't honor your father and mother when . . . well, you know. Or will if you do the research suggested.

 

[onemorequestion]

I'm not an atheist.

I noticed the Messianic icon. But so many of your comebacks are standard infidels.org.

And I use them everyday. That's why my arguments are sound.

Your "arguments" are as unsound as any I have ever seen coming from the standard liberalism playbook. You even employ the wearing down of the energy of your opposition tactics well too.

Now please my post #668 is awaiting your research efforts be laid out.

 

[Jase]

I noticed the Messianic icon. But so many of your comebacks are standard infidels.org.

Your point?

 

[Phinehas2]

Jase,

Then why does God allow (or presumably kill off) millions of unborn fetuses by means beyond our control?

As I said I believe God’s word.

Common sense. Logic. Reason.

That’s why I expect others who are non-believers to recognise the disorder and dysfunction of homosexuality.

 

[Avniel]

Jase,
As I said I believe God’s word.
That’s why I expect others who are non-believers to recognise the disorder and dysfunction of homosexuality.

The end result is death.....Homosexuality can't be of God because it bring about no life or the possibility there of. There is not one scripture supportive of homosexuality. I can find scriptures supportive of marriage(being man and wife), being single, women that can not have children... I can find scriptures on relationships between blood brothers, In-laws, friends, children and parents, adopted brothers, government and public............no where does the bible go into depth of how homosexual relationship....If homosexuality was pleasing to God then why is there no where describing this relationship? Why is there no advice for homosexuals in a relationship?

Let me guess that got messed up too in the translation? Get real.....I have yet to see any proof that God is supportive of homosexuality, only attempts to discredit the bible.

 

[Phinehas2]

Avneil,
Well there are two things here. Firstly it is one thing for the pro-gay argument not having any scripture to support its argument, but that isnt the issue when all the scripture condemns the pro-gay argument. The pro-gay argument shouldn’t be here, logically its unworkable. A group could come here and suggest and suggest anything they liked as Christians, there cant be any less a case than no scripture that supports ones argument and several scriptures that condemn it.
It is a farce.

 

[Avniel]

Avneil,
Well there are two things here. Firstly it is one thing for the pro-gay argument not having any scripture to support its argument, but that isnt the issue when all the scripture condemns the pro-gay argument. The pro-gay argument shouldn’t be here, logically its unworkable. A group could come here and suggest and suggest anything they liked as Christians, there cant be any less a case than no scripture that supports ones argument and several scriptures that condemn it.
It is a farce.

It's facetiousness at its best not only is incorrect with major gaps the very logic is sophomoric. "This is not clearly stated so God has to be ok with it" is their logic but one could say "It's not supported at all anywhere so God has to be against it"(using the same logic they are using). Then there next argument is "God made me this way I was born like this" no one was born with a sexual orientation that is default, then there is the argument nature vs. nurture which many scientist and studies have proven arguable that nurture wins. And the bible says train up a child the way he shall go and he shall not part from it...Basically saying that in the case of nature vs nurture nurture wins biblical speaking and scientifically speaking.

They can not prove it and their only way to win the argument is by bringing up black civil rights, gay marriage(which they can't find one gay marriage in the bible) and accusing people of being anti-gay.

 

[onemorequestion]

Your point?

Matthew 7:16.

And, that applies to both of us too.

 

[onemorequestion]

That is a great post Avniel. Not only is your logic healthy, but it also gives us pause to consider each individual liberal position per person as to why they are doing what they do.

It is utter nonsense that a Christian or a group of Christians (a Church or denomination) cannot judge an individual or an ideology (another belief system). Jesus makes it clear that it is important to judge things and people, but with a dire warning of guidelines for doing so.

It's facetiousness at its best not only is incorrect with major gaps the very logic is sophomoric. "This is not clearly stated so God has to be ok with it" is their logic but one could say "It's not supported at all anywhere so God has to be against it"(using the same logic they are using).

"Did God really say?"

It is even worse than what Satan said to Eve. I don't know if sophomoric is accurate. I think it may be misplaced concern or ignorance on the lighter side of pro-gay zealotry, but there is an incredible dark side to it as well. When you watchy the amazing machinations to the "Christian" pro-gay argument, it can both make your head swim watching it being played out, or make you feel quite unwell.

Then there next argument is "God made me this way I was born like this"

That is the morality that kept Adam in his sins.

Blaming God for making him a sinner.

no one was born with a sexual orientation that is default,

I think your position there may not be super solid. There are lots of congenital defects within the populace. I believe if warped sexuality was allowed to stay within that definition, there would be a place to accept homosexuality within a Christian framwork. But this "I'm gay and proud" haughtiness may not be something that can be supported per the truth of scripture.

then there is the argument nature vs. nurture which many scientist and studies have proven arguable that nurture wins.

Or nurture corrupts an individual if the nurturing was implemented badly or misguided. Many brainwashed people were nurtured into their washed brains. I think our education system proves that. Many people go into the education system morally sound, and come out of it virtually satanic.

And the bible says train up a child the way he shall go and he shall not part from it...Basically saying that in the case of nature vs nurture nurture wins biblical speaking and scientifically speaking.

True, But the Bible also mentions people born with physical defects. Defects that can even keep them in a religious category not of their own wishes.

They can not prove it and their only way to win the argument is by bringing up black civil rights, gay marriage(which they can't find one gay marriage in the bible) and accusing people of being anti-gay.

In my vast experience with liberalism and progressive activism, my opinion is that THAT is when you know you are dealing with an adversary of The Way (The Church) and not just some hapless ideologue.

Anyone that employs the absurdity of "two wrongs make a right" and is really demanding that, is always in the wrong. Always.