Homosexuality

[ANM29]

Awww AMN...don't want you to feel left out... and I do agree...I'm sure there are many tempted by feelings or attractions to the same sex...and never act upon it.

We are in the flesh...and subject to all manner of fleshly temptations and our Lord tells us...even thinking about it we've committed the sin in our hearts...interestingly...He used murder and adultery as the examples...

Praise God!

1Co 10:13 No temptation has overtaken you except such as is common to man; but God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will also make the way of escape, that you may be able to bear it.

I don't feel left...Thanks though..We surely are all in the flesh, Amen.

 

[ANM29]

Something else I think is that Christians forget that they still have not arrived either..and in many ways are still lost themselves. The only difference is that we know of the Grace and Love of God, and they don't.

 

[Bro.T]

Breaking the Lord"s commandment now thats sin, let go to James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law

1john 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law

Now Homosexuals, lets go to Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

 

[ANM29]

Breaking the Lord"s commandment now thats sin, let go to James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law

1john 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law

Now Homosexuals, lets go to Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

We are not under the law anymore, thank God..None of us could keep it. The law shows us our need for Grace......Jesus Christ!

 

[dies-l]

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You offer some valuable insight Dies3l but I do consider consider these are probably not the only 3 reasons.

I'm not sure if you read the post prior to the one you quoted...what I was trying to present was what Scripture teaches us...not simply my personal assertion.


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I abbreviated your post for the sake of brevity. I just wanted to reply to say that you explain your perspective well, even though I find there is still quite a bit that I disagree with. Unlike you, I do not see homosexuality (in and of itself) as being any worse than any other sin, either in terms of temporal or eternal consequences or in terms of it being an indicator of the downfall of a society. It is a sin that I don't struggle with, but many people do. The important thing, and what I think that we are both in agreement on, is that it is far more important that we treat those who struggle with it with love and compassion, rather than judgment and condemnation. I applaud you for loving your friend and remaining supportive of him, even when you have such concerns about his lifestyle.

In regards to my prior post, I did not intend to create an exhaustive list of reasons; I only list the ones that come to mind based on my experience. I cite them only to say that we need to be very careful when we single out one sin as somehow worse than others, especially when that sin is not one that presents a person struggle for us. I don't believe that the Bible authors ever intended to treat homosexuality in this way. But, as I said, on the important aspects of this discussion, we are more in agreement than not, and perhaps it is best to agree to disagree on certain points.

 

[Cris413]

I abbreviated your post for the sake of brevity. I just wanted to reply to say that you explain your perspective well, even though I find there is still quite a bit that I disagree with. Unlike you, I do not seek homosexuality (in and of itself) as being any worse than any other sin, either in terms of temporal or eternal consequences or in terms of it being an indicator of the downfall of a society. It is a sin that I don't struggle with, but many people do. The important thing, and what I think that we are both in agreement on, is that it is far more important that we treat those who struggle with it with love and compassion, rather than judgment and condemnation. I applaud you for loving your friend and remaining supportive of him, even when you have such concerns about his lifestyle.

In regards to my prior post, I did not intend to create an exhaustive list of reasons; I only list the ones that come to mind based on my experience. I cite them only to say that we need to be very careful when we single out one sin as somehow worse than others, especially when that sin is not one that presents a person struggle for us. I don't believe that the Bible authors ever intended to treat homosexuality in this way. But, as I said, on the important aspects of this discussion, we are more in agreement than not, and perhaps it is best to agree to disagree on certain points.

Nice chatting with you again.

I would just like to clarify one thing though...IMHO while I do consider the consequences for sin in our lives vary...sin is sin...and all sin from the smallest bad thought to the most heinous crime...all result in separation from Holy God.

Praise Christ Jesus by His sacrifice we do not have to pay the penalty for our sins.

 

[IfollowJesus]

I wonder about this too. It seems to me that too many christian - or should I say religious - people is too concerend with what God says about others. We're ALL sinners, and God loves us all. What God wants from us is love, both to Him and to our next of kind, even our enemy, and let God do the judging.

I'm sorry but I can't help but dissagree, homosexuality is a SIN just like lying and stealing, etc. But Homosexuals realise they are commiting a sin and do nothing about it, now befour you say anything I am not juding them, I am just aknoledging there sin but because of this Pollitically Correct society we live in Gods word has been twisted and Turned around to make people think Homosexuals are OK.
Here are some Bible Quotes:

"Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."- Leviticus 18:22 (1611 KJV)

"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God." - 1 Corinthians 6:9-10

Effeminacy is a trait in males that generally contradicts traditional male (Masculine) gender roles. now were I come from I understand God loves us all there is no questioning that, would you let murderers go to heaven? what about theifs? I take it you wouldnt because they are sinners, and the Bible is clear sinners do not enter the kingdom of God! a sin is a sin to God there is no good sin and bad sin they are all bad!

 

[Bro.T]

Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

 

[SoundCard]

Everyone seems to forget what we become when we become saved. Sins are forgotten because of Christ's atonement for us, the stains wiped clean. We become His children in our faith in Christ, and that overrules what we once were. We were liars, murderers when we were angry, adulterers at heart when we came to the cross. We are a new creation in Christ, and the old is done away with, and while we may still sin, we are always covered by the blood of the Lamb. Our salvation is permanent and irrevocable. The murderers, the adulterers, the liars, the homosexuals, are all those who continue in these sins outside of Christ's salvation.

 

[Cris413]

How great is God....full of mercy and grace!



Psa 103:10 He has not dealt with us according to our sins,
Nor punished us according to our iniquities.
Psa 103:11 For as the heavens are high above the earth,
So great is His mercy toward those who fear Him;
Psa 103:12 As far as the east is from the west,
So far has He removed our transgressions from us.

Isa 43:25 "I, even I, am He who blots out your transgressions for My own sake;
And I will not remember your sins.

Act 3:19 Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord,

 

[ANM29]

Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

This is the problem with fundamentalist or should I say just plain out people who don't understand the purpose of The "Cross" or the Bible...

 

[IfollowJesus]

This is the problem with fundamentalist or should I say just plain out people who don't understand the purpose of The "Cross" or the Bible...

Yes, we all know what Jesus died for, but does that make sin ok? I am talking about Homosexuals who call themselfs christians! they obviously don't read the Bible because 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 clearly states that no UN REPENTERS Will enter the Kingdom of God. Yet you still get people who think God is going to change his oppinion on Sin just because of the Social Position on it.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10:
"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God."

Chris413, those passages you posted are talking about people who have repented.

 

[ANM29]

Yes, we all know what Jesus died for, but does that make sin ok? I am talking about Homosexuals who call themselfs christians! they obviously don't read the Bible because 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 clearly states that no UN REPENTERS Will enter the Kingdom of God. Yet you still get people who think God is going to change his oppinion on Sin just because of the Social Position on it.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10:
"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God."

Chris413, those passages you posted are talking about people who have repented.

Do you even know what the Kingdom of God is? Do you have any idea what God was talking about when he said Kingdom of God, or when Jesus preached it repeatedly while on earth. He was not talking about "Heaven". If you have hate in your heart towards another you have commited murder, if you lust at a woman, you have commited adultery with her.....How often have you lusted with your eyes and thoughts? ,,,I could go on....

Now, this is another subject altogether.

Keep throwing stones as if you are without sin and have 'arrived'. First find out what the scriptures mean when they say Kingdom of God..and seek ye first the Kingdom of God, etc, etc......

 

[ANM29]

Mat 6:33 (NNAS) ""But seek first His kingdom and His righteousness, and all these things will be added to you." Description of Kingdom

Mat 13:45-46 (NNAS) ""Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a merchant seeking fine pearls and upon finding one pearl of great value, he went and sold all that he had and bought it."

1 Cor 4:20 (NNAS) "For the kingdom of God does not consist in words but in power."

Luke 10:8 (NNAS) ""Whatever city you enter and they receive you, eat what is set before you; and heal those in it who are sick, and say to them, 'The kingdom of God has come near to you.'"

Rom 14:17 (NNAS) "for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit."
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About Citizenship Requirements of the Kingdom

John 3:3 (NNAS) "Jesus answered and said to him, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.""

Mat 18:3 (NNAS) "and said, "Truly I say to you, unless you are converted and become like children, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven. Whoever then humbles himself as this child, he is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven."

Luke 9:62 (NNAS) "But Jesus said to him, "No one, after putting his hand to the plow and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God."

1 Cor 6:9-10 (NNAS) "Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God."
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Rules of the Kingdom

Mat 5:19 (NNAS) ""Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."

Mark 12:32-34 (NNAS) "The scribe said to Him, "Right, Teacher; You have truly stated that HE IS ONE, AND THERE IS NO ONE ELSE BESIDES HIM;AND TO LOVE HIM WITH ALL THE HEART AND WITH ALL THE UNDERSTANDING AND WITH ALL THE STRENGTH, AND TO LOVE ONE'S NEIGHBOR AS HIMSELF, is much more than all burnt offerings and sacrifices." When Jesus saw that he had answered intelligently, He said to him, "You are not far from the kingdom of God." After that, no one would venture to ask Him any more questions."

Luke 13:29-30 (NNAS) ""And they will come from east and west and from north and south, and will recline at the table in the kingdom of God.And behold, some are last who will be first and some are first who will be last."
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[IfollowJesus]

Do you even know what the Kingdom of God is? Do you have any idea what God was talking about when he said Kingdom of God, or when Jesus preached it repeatedly while on earth. He was not talking about "Heaven". If you have hate in your heart towards another you have commited murder, if you lust at a woman, you have commited adultery with her.....How often have you lusted with your eyes and thoughts? ,,,I could go on....

Now, this is another subject altogether.

Keep throwing stones as if you are without sin and have 'arrived'. First find out what the scriptures mean when they say Kingdom of God..and seek ye first the Kingdom of God, etc, etc......

Listen, dont treat me as if I know nothing about God and my relgion, I don't get angry and I dont lust I keep the sabbath holy and I Fast, I dont have a problem with Homosexual people, I have a problem with what they are doing. Same goes for liers. my religion comes before ANYTHING in my life so please dont treat me as if I know nothing.

Jesus himself acnoledged that Hell was a REAL place of eternal torment for un repented sinners all I am saying is that if people don't repent they will go to Hell it is as simple as that?

I know what Kingdom of God is. and everyone is a sinner and falles short of the glory of god

 

[ANM29]

Listen, dont treat me as if I know nothing about God and my relgion, I don't get angry and I dont lust I keep the sabbath holy and I Fast, I dont have a problem with Homosexual people, I have a problem with what they are doing. Same goes for liers. my religion comes before ANYTHING in my life so please dont treat me as if I know nothing.

Jesus himself acnoledged that Hell was a REAL place of eternal torment for un repented sinners all I am saying is that if people don't repent they will go to Hell it is as simple as that?

I know what Kingdom of God is. and everyone is a sinner and falles short of the glory of god

No, I don't think you do know what it is. Hell is real and everlasting, just not for people, but satan and his army. ....Some will have their 'part' in the lake...not forever in it. And especially the phonies who thought they knew the Lord and talked of their good works. Have you read that? Actually, hell is not everlasting..Sorry, the LOF is.
Know the difference between hell and LOF? There is a difference. Some will have their part in the lake..God does not burn his creation forever. Actually, even the LOF will end at some point., ages of the world.......( Another subject, this is not the thread )

WOW! Listen to your list of 'great WORKS' and because of that, you will get a seat in heaven..Keep up the good WORK

Btw, we know you are not like THOSE SINNERS over there..

 

[IfollowJesus]

No, I don't think you do know what it is. Hell is real and everlasting, just not for people, but satan and his army. ....Some will have their 'part' in the lake...not forever in it. And especially the phonies who thought they knew the Lord and talked of their good works. Have you read that? Actually, hell is not everlasting..Sorry, the LOF is.
Know the difference between hell and LOF? There is a difference. Some will have their part in the lake..God does not burn his creation forever. Actually, even the LOF will end at some point., ages of the world.......( Another subject, this is not the thread )

WOW! Listen to your list of 'great WORKS' and because of that, you will get a seat in heaven..Keep up the good WORK

Btw, we know you are not like THOSE SINNERS over there..

Didn't mean to bother you, sorry if I did

And I know that so called "phonies" Will go to hell.

I think the only way into heaven is to accept Yeshua Hamashia as you saviour

" Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." - John 14:6

I don't even know what we are dissagreeing over? hehe I am tired sorry again if I botherd you

 

[ANM29]

Didn't mean to bother you, sorry if I did

And I know that so called "phonies" Will go to hell.

I think the only way into heaven is to accept Yeshua Hamashia as you saviour

" Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." - John 14:6

I don't even know what we are dissagreeing over? hehe I am tired sorry again if I botherd you

I'm tired too...
I totally agree, no man can get to him except the Father draws him..So, that leaves the work up to God in the end..not ourselves.

 

[jellybean99]

A snapshot of many congregations today reveals that the church is no longer a gatekeeper for sexual immorality. The Apostle Paul admonishes the congregation in Corinth to show sexual offenders the door until such time that the person repents from the sinful lifestyle.

It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that does not occur even among pagans: A man has his father's wife. and you are proud! Shouldn't you rather have been filled with grief and have put out of your fellowship the man who did this? Even though I am not physically present, I am with you in spirit. And I have already passed judgment on the one who did this, just as if I were present. When you are assembled in the name of our Lord Jesus and I am with you in spirit, and the power of our Lord Jesus is present, hand this man over to Satan, so that the sinful nature may be destroyed and his spirit saved on the day of the Lord. (1 Cor. 5:1-5)

Yikes! Who would be left in the churches if we cast out everyone who was guilty of living a sexually immoral lifestyle?

• Do you live common-law? Bye!
• Having pre-marital sex? There's the door.
• Ever had an abortion? No comment.
• Having an affair? Give us a call after Satan has sifted you.
• Are you gay? Come back when your sinful nature has been destroyed.

If one believes the Apostle Paul's epistles to be accurate instructions from God by way of the Holy Spirit, there doesn't seem to be much wiggle room for homosexuality or any other sexually deviant practice outside of heterosexual marriage, does there?

I don't see how homosexuality can even be a point of debate in this forum, let alone a church. You might as well use your Bible as a doorstop.

 

[Bro.T]

I understand what you are saying and I hope they repent, but if they don"t repent
according to the Lord"s law than the next step is ......Isaiah 66:24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

The Lake of fire is not just of Homosexual, it for who ever transgress against the law. Why do you think the Lord have a lake of fire. Lets look at the Biblical definition
of sin. 1John 3: 4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law