Homosexuality

[Ohioprof]

No, they think they are, but they are dead wrong, according to the word of God, our only authority.

You can believe that other people are not Christians, but that doesn't make them not Christians. I am Christian.

 

[Floatingaxe]

There is no distinction in Koine Greek like that.

Logos meant varying things based upon the context, yes, but never the written scriptures.

At best, you can claim that the Logos of God can be experienced through meditating upon scripture but it is not the scriptures. Scripture = graphe.

The bible is logos. Jesus is called Logos. The spoken and quickened word to our spirits is Rhema.

If they do, they aren't scholars but hacks.

Perhaps they would benefit from a concordance:

Don't be ridiculous.

I have no misconstrued anything. Perhaps you are just realizing the the Word of God is not the Bible afterall...

The Word is Jesus. I also call the bible the word of God, like everyone else.

Rhema means an utterance usually by a human voice as that is how it is predominantly used in the Bible though a few places do use it to denote an utterance from God.

It is a spoken word to our hearts by God Almighty through His Spirit.

The only Christians that believe Rhema means what you say are Pentecostals from my experience.

Nope. Just Spirit-filled believers who study the word of God.

So the Holy Spirit moves in non-believers but is not in them.

Got it. Makes perfect sense

Yes, the Spirit draws them to Himself. He only comes in by invitation at salvation.

 

[IamRedeemed]

My experience is that this is a Christian Theology debate forum about
Homosexuality and that threads are started by those who defend as
well as those who oppose it. Which makes sense as it is a DEBATE forum.

Scripture is used to show where the beliefs come from, since this is
a Christian Theology debate forum, so the Christian Theology which
is formed from the Scriptures would and should naturally be used to
support the Christian position.

Contrare to your understanding. God's ways don't change just because
people become more openly sinful.

You are not going to find exhaustive discussion and/or rebuke in this
section on divorcees, as this subforum is apparently devoted to Homosexuality
discussion. If it were up to me, this subforum would not exist, but as another
member pointed out, apparently it was needed because all kinds of other
subforums would be inundated with this topic otherwise.

Not all who are divorced though, are divorced without Biblical support.
There are certain circumstances which are revealed in Scripture.
But this is not the forum to discuss it at length.

Paul wrote most of the New Testament 2/3rd of it.
So, he covers a whole lot more than just homosexuality. And it makes sense
that he was the vessel the Holy Spirit moved through to write 2/3rds of the
NT, since He is the Apostle called of Christ to the Gentiles.

My experience has generally been that more threads are started by those who are out to condemn homosexuality but there are some from the opposite side as well.

It's fine to use scripture as a guide but conflating logos and graphe can be troubling.

Perhaps.

But, what are "His rules"? You have a serious problem here regardless of whether or not you claim to use the Bible as the sole source of moral truths.

The Bible is not exhaustive and is culturally conditioned. You have already stated that, thankfully, we have moved past stoning others. Yet, the Bible commands stonings for certain actions.

Are we not, then, disobeying God's rules by not stoning certain people for certain offenses?

This is the crux of the issue here in that nobody in todays society can follow all of God's rules in the Bible or else they would end up in jail. Let alone the fact that many commandments are contradictory.

Is divorce disallowed outright or only in cases of adultery?



Yet I don't see a great many rebukes against divorcees by Christians. In fact, Christians have just as high a divorce rate as non-Christians even though Jesus spoke out very strongly against divorce and only ever mentioned sexual immorality once and never, specifically, homosexuality.

All the NT proof texts against homosexuality come from Paul...



Well, then, will you join the next Christian protest against Red Lobster?

 

[Floatingaxe]

You can believe that other people are not Christians, but that doesn't make them not Christians. I am Christian.

What has Jesus spoken to you lately, seeing as you say He is dead, and yet Christians are unified in knowing He is alive?

 

[Ohioprof]

My experience is that this is a Christian Theology debate forum about
Homosexuality and that threads are started by those who defend as
well as those who oppose it. Which makes sense as it is a DEBATE forum.

Scripture is used to show where the beliefs come from, since this is
a Christian Theology debate forum, so the Christian Theology which
is formed from the Scriptures would and should naturally be used to
support the Christian position.

Contrare to your understanding. God's ways don't change just because
people become more openly sinful.

You are not going to find exhaustive discussion and/or rebuke in this
section on divorcees, as this subforum is apparently devoted to Homosexuality
discussion. If it were up to me, this subforum would not exist, but as another
member pointed out, apparently it was needed because all kinds of other
subforums would be inundated with this topic otherwise.

Not all who are divorced though, are divorced without Biblical support.
There are certain circumstances which are revealed in Scripture.
But this is not the forum to discuss it at length.

Paul wrote most of the New Testament 2/3rd of it.
So, he covers a whole lot more than just homosexuality. And it makes sense
that he was the vessel the Holy Spirit moved through to write 2/3rds of the
NT, since He is the Apostle called of Christ to the Gentiles.

There is no sub-forum for people to debate divorce, is there? That's because few Christians care whether other people are divorced, and they don't go around pointing fingers at divorced people and telling divorced people they must repent or go to hell. They let that "sin" go, probably because so many Christians are themselves divorced. So they conveniently overlook that little message of Jesus about divorce, and instead they point fingers at gay people, which is easy for them to do, since they are not gay. It takes no courage for a heterosexual Christian to point fingers at gay people and tell us we are going to hell. There's no incovenience for them, and they get plenty of support from other Christians who applaud them for pointing fingers at others.

But that's not what Jesus taught at all.

 

[Ohioprof]

What has Jesus spoken to you lately, seeing as you say He is dead, and yet Christians are unified in knowing He is alive?

This is none of your business.

 

[IamRedeemed]

Apparently you have had a moment of amnesia, which caused you to forget the FIRST commandment, or you purposefully dismiss it, which loving your neighbor does not negate, and that is love the Lord God will ALL your heart, ALL your mind, ALL your soul and ALL your strength.

Homosexuals as well as Liars and any who willfully practice sin, thereby loving sin more than they love God and will not enter the Kingdom as is written. It is loving to warn them, especially since most in here claim to belong to Christ.

You use John 13:34-35 out of context.
See 1 Corinthians chapter 5. Was Paul, the Apostle
chosen not by man, but by Christ operating
in the flesh or by the Spirit of God? Did he disobey John 13:34-35?

Do not be deceived, you cannot serve two masters. God is not mocked.

"A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another." John 13:34-35

you wish to apply the commandment of Jesus himself to all…except homosexuals

 

[IamRedeemed]

There isn't a subforum completely dedicated to that topic, as apparently it isn't needed or I suppose there would be. However there is plenty of room for it to be discussed as it has been in this same Theology Christian Philosophy and Ethics Forum, just not in the homosexuality debate subforum.

I will say this though, we cannot know simply by knowing someone is divorced, whether or not their divorce is Biblically supported, as there are allowances for divorce in Scripture, but since that is not a topic about homosexuality, we cannot go into that here as it is off topic.

We do know however, that ALL forms of homosexual behavior is clearly condemned Biblically, therefore how we approach either subject is the difference between an apple and an orange.

If you don't believe that the quotes from Jesus in the Bible are indeed
what Jesus taught, then what source are you using to determine what Jesus taught?

There is no sub-forum for people to debate divorce, is there? That's because few Christians care whether other people are divorced, and they don't go around pointing fingers at divorced people and telling divorced people they must repent or go to hell. They let that "sin" go, probably because so many Christians are themselves divorced. So they conveniently overlook that little message of Jesus about divorce, and instead they point fingers at gay people, which is easy for them to do, since they are not gay. It takes no courage for a heterosexual Christian to point fingers at gay people and tell us we are going to hell. There's no incovenience for them, and they get plenty of support from other Christians who applaud them for pointing fingers at others.

But that's not what Jesus taught at all.

 

[IamRedeemed]

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[Ohioprof]

Apparently you have had a moment of amnesia, which caused you to forget the FIRST commandment, or you purposefully dismiss it, which loving your neighbor does not negate, and that is love the Lord God will ALL your heart, ALL your mind, ALL your soul and ALL your strength.

Homosexuals as well as Liars and any who willfully practice sin, thereby loving sin more than they love God and will not enter the Kingdom as is written. It is loving to warn them, especially since most in here claim to belong to Christ.

You use John 13:34-35 out of context.
See 1 Corinthians chapter 5. Was Paul, the Apostle
chosen not by man, but by Christ operating
in the flesh or by the Spirit of God? Did he disobey John 13:34-35?

Do not be deceived, you cannot serve two masters. God is not mocked.

Please do not equate gay people with liars. Gay people do no wrong. We gay people are simply the way God made us. That we are a little different from you is no sin.

Our marriages are not sin either. The Bible says nothing about same-sex marriage. So even if you try to point to the Bible, it says nothing to condemn our marriages.

 

[IamRedeemed]

I made no assumptions. You led people to believe that,
since you have referred to "loving our spouses" on many occasions.

So, if there is misrepresentation, it has come with purpose
from yourself. Because you have chosen to weave a web of deceit.

Why the games?

So, you are saying that you are celebate?
If so, celebate why? Because you acknowledge
that homosexual behavior is sin, and you have chosen to
remain chaste unto the Lord or just because you don't happen
to be in a relationship at the moment?


And since you don't believe the quotes in the Bible are what
Jesus said, what source are you using to determine what He did or didn't say?

No, I have never claimed to be married to anyone. I am single. I do not have sex with anyone. I am not romantically involved with anyone. And even if I were, it would not be any of your business to judge my life.

You made assumptions about me, without ever asking me about who I really am. Then you made judgments of me based on your assumptions about me.

That's something Jesus told people NOT to do, eh?

 

[IamRedeemed]

I didn't. Those are just two of the practicing sinners that won't enter
the Kingdom of Heaven, as is written in 1 Corinthians 6:9

"Homosexual Marriage" is an erroneous concept, because it assumes that same-sex sexual behavior is sanctioned in the eyes of God, which it is not, but rather forbidden and condemned, therefore since the sexual behavior is condemned by God, in both Scripture which speaks of it in the past, present and future tenses combined with the fact that God has historically judged it with an iron fist, the concept of "Homosexual Marriage" from a Christian standpoint is clearly absurd.

Please do not equate gay people with liars. Gay people do no wrong. We gay people are simply the way God made us. That we are a little different from you is no sin.

Our marriages are not sin either. The Bible says nothing about same-sex marriage. So even if you try to point to the Bible, it says nothing to condemn our marriages.

 

[naotmaa]

I made no assumptions. You led people to believe that,
since you have referred to "loving our spouses" on many occasions.

So, if there is misrepresentation, it has come with purpose
from yourself. Because you have chosen to weave a web of deceit.

Why the games?

Thats not fair. I've seen many of ohioprof's posts and I understood that she was speaking hypothetically when talking about relationships since she has made many references to herself being a single mom. You obviously misunderstood and thats okay. Everything is cleared up now. But accusing her of playing games because there was a misunderstanding? Come on now.

 

[Ohioprof]

I made no assumptions. You led people to believe that,
since you have referred to "loving our spouses" on many occasions.

So, if there is misrepresentation, it has come with purpose
from yourself. Because you have chosen to weave a web of deceit.

Why the games?

So, you are saying that you are celebate?
If so, celebate why? Because you acknowledge
that homosexual behavior is sin, and you have chosen to
remain chaste unto the Lord or just because you don't happen
to be in a relationship at the moment?


And since you don't believe the quotes in the Bible are what
Jesus said, what source are you using to determine what He did or didn't say?

You made an assumption. I have said plainly in these forums that I am single and I don't have sex. You may not have read those posts of mine, but I have deceived no one about that. You made an assumption, and it was wrong.

Awhile back, I assumed, because I didn't read his profile carefully, that Ishida was female, and he is male. I had to apologize for my error, and he forgave me. I forgive you for making your assumption, even though you have yet to apologize to me. But I forgive you anyway.

I certainly have never played "games." I am single. I am celibate. I have never claimed otherwise. I have talked about our marriages, because many gay people are married. I never said that I am married.

My life is not for you to judge. Now that you cannot judge me for having sex, you appear to want to judge me for what I think about sex, my motives for not having sex. Maybe I'm wrong about that, but that's how your post sounds to me.

 

[Ohioprof]

I didn't. Those are just two of the practicing sinners that won't enter
the Kingdom of Heaven, as is written in 1 Corinthians 6:9

"Homosexual Marriage" is an erroneous concept, because it assumes that same-sex sexual behavior is sanctioned in the eyes of God, which it is not, but rather forbidden and condemned, therefore since the sexual behavior is condemned by God, in both Scripture which speaks of it in the past, present and future tenses combined with the fact that God has historically judged it with an iron fist, the concept of "Homosexual Marriage" from a Christian standpoint is clearly absurd.

Opposition to same-sex marriage is an error, because it assumes that God has condemned our marriages. He has not. Even if you believe the Bible is the word of God, there is nothing in the Bible condemning same-sex marriages. Your leap of interpretation is just that: a leap. And it's wrong.

 

[stumpjumper]

The bible is logos.

No.

The Bible is biblos or the Greek word meaning book.

Scripture is graphe or the Greek word meaning writings.

Jesus is called Logos.

Nope. Wrong again.

Jesus is Jesus.

The logos or Logos of God (capitalization doesn't matter in Koine Greek) is the logos or Logos of God.

The logos of God was said to become flesh in Jesus of Nazareth but it exists elsewhere as well.

The spoken and quickened word to our spirits is Rhema.

Sorry.

0 for 3.

Rhema is an utterance or spoken words of any form or so says Greek dictionaries.

You do realize that the Bible was not written in Pentacostalese, right

Don't be ridiculous.

Pot. Kettle. You know.

The Word is Jesus. I also call the bible the word of God, like everyone else.

Well, a lot of people are wrong.

The Bible is a collection of books.

Nope. Just Spirit-filled believers who study the word of God.

So, now, are only Pentacostals "True Christians"?

You've already gotten rid of the gays so you might as well finish the job, eh?

Are the only real Christians those who belong to your sect?

 

[Akathist]

Members are reminded to address the topic and not the characteristics of individual members in the debate.

 

[IamRedeemed]

So, now, are only Pentacostals "True Christians"?

Since when are Pentacostals the only ones who believe the Word of God and
the only ones baptized in the Holy Ghost? I am non-denominational, believe
the Bible is the Holy Inspired Word of God, am baptized in the Holy Ghost
and pray in the Holy Ghost.

 

[David Brider]

Homosexuals as well as Liars and any who willfully practice sin...

What sin is that homosexuals wilfully practice, in your opinion?

David.

 

[spinningtutu]

*tongue in cheek*
We willfully attract ourselves to the same sex/gender because we are sado-masochists... We want everyone to discriminate against us, beat us up in high school, slash our tires, and tell us we're damned. Ya know, it's a goth thing really.