Homosexuality

[yodafett]

Yes, but the Bible can be viewed in many different ways...

But not all of them can be right...

 

[*Starlight*]

But not all of them can be right...

Yes, I agree...

 

[fevoldj2]

But not all of them can be right...

That doesn't mean that you are right though. I doubt God is going to have us sit down while we listen to every little thing we misinterpreted. God is the ultimate authority. The Bible is His word, but it is not the only source. I always thought that the relationship with Jesus was the most important thing. I suppose that using just the Bible would be a form of idolatry.

 

[davedjy]

That doesn't mean that you are right though. I doubt God is going to have us sit down while we listen to every little thing we misinterpreted. God is the ultimate authority. The Bible is His word, but it is not the only source. I always thought that the relationship with Jesus was the most important thing. I suppose that using just the Bible would be a form of idolatry.

For Protestant Christians, we believe in "Sola Scriptura", which means that everything we believe and need to know, for teaching and moral training, and worship to God comes from the Scriptures alone (not through tradition).

 

[fevoldj2]

So there really is no point in asking God anything? We can be content in reading the Bible.

 

[davedjy]

So there really is no point in asking God anything? We can be content in reading the Bible.

The Bible also instructs us to look to Him for answers and for discernment, so technically you are being instructed through the teachings of the Bible.

 

[fevoldj2]

Yes, and people with different interpretations have prayed about the real answer. People have come up with different interpretations even after asking God. Why is that?

 

[LoveForWisdom]

Yes, and people with different interpretations have prayed about the real answer. People have come up with different interpretations even after asking God. Why is that?

Yes, and people with different interpretations have prayed about the real answer. People have come up with different interpretations even after asking God. Why is that?

I don't get all of this talking to God thing really.

God is not my buddy, and Jesus is not my friend. They are the almighty rulers of the world, and they've given us all the information we need to go by in the Bible. Thats all we need there.

 

[LoveForWisdom]

So there really is no point in asking God anything? We can be content in reading the Bible.

Great answer!

We should however pray and rely on God, as well as worship God.

But I just don't wake up in the morning and go, "Hello God." and expect God to say, "Hello Casey."

 

[LoveForWisdom]

Maybe that's true, but not all Christianity is "orthodox, traditional and historical". Personally, I'm more or less a post-modern Christian

Thats what I was afraid of hearing.

Postmodernism is self contradicting. It deconstructs itself.

 

[davedjy]

I don't get all of this talking to God thing really.

God is not my buddy, and Jesus is not my friend.

James 2:23 (New International Version)



23And the scripture was fulfilled that says, "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,"[a] and he was called God's friend.

Job 29:4
Oh, for the days when I was in my prime, when God's intimate friendship blessed my house

 

[SoldierKG]

Nope, I have the same access to historical cultural context about semi nomadic bronze agedesert dwellers as anyone else, and can see the Levitical injunctions for what they are, rather than direct moral guidance from God, they are guidlines for the effective running and survival of a small subsistence community living before refrigeration.

injunctions against homosexuality are as relevant today as injunctions against eating shellfish

AMEN, what many people do not realize is that the laws of Leviticus are not laws from God they are the laws of the Jewish people at the time...which Moses (being a Jew) felt was necessary to include in the Bible.

 

[SoldierKG]

I don't get all of this talking to God thing really.

God is not my buddy, and Jesus is not my friend. They are the almighty rulers of the world, and they've given us all the information we need to go by in the Bible. Thats all we need there.

Really? If you have no relationship with The Creator than you cannot enter heaven...Pm Me, actually, I'll PM you...

 

[yodafett]

AMEN, what many people do not realize is that the laws of Leviticus are not laws from God they are the laws of the Jewish people at the time...which Moses (being a Jew) felt was necessary to include in the Bible.

Read Leviticus again. It's the LORD's law, as delivered by Moses.

Ye shall therefore keep my statutes, and my judgments: which if a man do, he shall live in them: I am the LORD.

And what about the passage in Romans, 1:27, that I posted a couple pages ago that no one has really answered and just seems to skip over?

 

[savedandhappy1]

That doesn't mean that you are right though. I doubt God is going to have us sit down while we listen to every little thing we misinterpreted. God is the ultimate authority. The Bible is His word, but it is not the only source. I always thought that the relationship with Jesus was the most important thing. I suppose that using just the Bible would be a form of idolatry.

So is there some other book that is God-breathed or inspired by God?

 

[savedandhappy1]

I have heard of people doing all sorts of things when people won't leave them alone. For an extreme example: If someone is held at gunpoint, and they are asked a question, he or she will most likely answer in a way that will please the person holding him or her at gunpoint. If someone is bothered for his entire life, he will do anything to get some peace. Many of these "converts" have later stated that they still have sexual attraction to the same sex. Btw: Do you think psycological tricks are moral if they "cure" someone of homosexuality?

So have you ever told a lie, and after asking for forgiveness for that lie have you ever lied again? Maybe even told the same lie you told before?

So I guess that would make lying not a sin, right?

For those that have a problem with drunkeness or drug addiction of any kind, say even smoking. After turning from that addiction have you ever wanted a drink or smoke or whatever drug you were addicted to?

So that would mean that it isn't a sin, right?

Maatt 26:41
41Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.

Gal 5;16-17
16This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
17For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

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[Chazemataz]

There is no such thing as being a homodexual that does not practice the sin. All homosexuals are in sin. it is possible to stop being one and that is by repentance towards God and faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. Once that happens the person is no loner a homosexual.
1 Corinthians 6:11

All homosexuality is sin according to the bible. The term gay is a non term. Biblical anyone who is into homosexuality is in sin and scripture teaches that no one in sin will go to heaven.

What if the person cannot help how they are? There are many homosexual Christians- Catholics, Methodists, Baptists, Presbyterians, all of whom could be moral and just and yet not help who they are. Would you say God would send these people to Hell? The God i worship is loving and just (Meaning "Fair"). The God you worship must be vengeful and wrathful. We must worship different gods.

And what about the passage in Romans, 1:27, that I posted a couple pages ago that no one has really answered and just seems to skip over?

I am. There are many persons, including myself (I am bisexual), who cannot help their desire for the same sex. It is not a conspiracy. it is not a big old trick for attention. There are people out there who geniuenly cannot help the way they are. Would a God who is described as fair and just send someone to Hell for something they cant help? You do realise that the commandment is "Thou shall not commit adultry".

Allow me to define "adultry":

Main Entry: adul·tery
Function: noun
Pronunciation: &-'d&l-t(&-)re</I>
Inflected Form(s): plural -ter·ies
Etymology: Middle English, alteration of </I>avoutrie, from Middle French, from Latin </I>adulterium, from </I>adulter adulterer, back-formation from </I>adulterare
: voluntary sexual intercourse between a married man and someone other than his wife or between a married woman and someone other than her husband</I>

Where does it say "homosexuality"? I would like to know.

 

[yodafett]

The God i worship is loving and just (Meaning "Fair"). The God you worship must be vengeful and wrathful.

Old Testament and New Testment.
[bible]Psalm 94:1 O LORD, God of vengeance,
God of vengeance, shine forth! [/bible]

[bible]Romans 12:19b VENGEANCE IS MINE, I WILL REPAY," says the Lord.[/bible]

The LORD is fair. AND vengeful. It is possible to be both.

We must worship different gods.

I've supported the view with Biblical evidence, can you prove that HE isn't vengeful as you attest, from scripture, or does your view of HIM come from outside the Bible?

Allow me to define "adultry":

Main Entry: adul·tery
Function: noun
Pronunciation: &-'d&l-t(&-)re</I>
Inflected Form(s): plural -ter·ies
Etymology: Middle English, alteration of </I>avoutrie, from Middle French, from Latin </I>adulterium, from </I>adulter adulterer, back-formation from </I>adulterare
: voluntary sexual intercourse between a married man and someone other than his wife or between a married woman and someone other than her husband</I>

Where does it say "homosexuality"? I would like to know.

If you're going to take the word "adultery" apart, you need to use the hebrew word &#1504;&#1488;&#1507;, because that is the original language. "adultery" is a translation, and does not necessarilly have the same cultural connotations.



&#1504;&#1488;&#1507;
na&#770;'aph
naw-af'
A primitive root; to commit adultery; figuratively to apostatize: - adulterer (-ess), commit (-ing) adultery, woman that breaketh wedlock.

So yes, you're right, Exodus 20:14 doesn't speak to Homosexuality. But I didn't bring that up. I spoke of Romans 1:27, as shown below.

And the word "homosexuality" is english, not greek, so even if it WAS in the text, you'd still want to make sure the contextual definition was the same as we interpret it.

Romans 1:26-27 KJV

For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

or NIV is that is preferred
Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

And NASB, just for comparison
26For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural,
27and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.

Roman's 1:27

I don't speek ancient greek first hand, but according to Strong's, greek words used for "men" through the whole verse are

&#945;&#961;&#961;&#963;&#951;&#957; and &#945;&#961;&#963;&#951;&#957;
male (as stronger for lifting): - male, man.

and the word used for lust was
orexis
excitement of the mind, that is, longing after: - lust.

And the word for another
&#945;&#787;&#955;&#955;&#951;&#769;&#955;&#969;&#957;
one another. : - each other, mutual, one another, (the other), (them-, your-) selves, (selves) together

Males longing after other males. How can that be misunderstood?

 

[yodafett]

Everyone all talked out?

 

[ScottBot]

Everyone all talked out?

I think people are realizing that they are not getting anywhere. People who think its a sin continue to think so, people who don't, same same. The sun will come up tomorrow, what's for breakfast?